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34 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

Nothing to deny  , you're confusing my dislike of labour as endorsement of another party ...  but from your post count  you're obviously a man with plenty of spare time    , read through the Tory thread and find posts where i praise the Tory's or the leaders or anything  ..let me know how you get on 

Related to that it always amuses me   , you can go in the bolitics threads and see posts from the ABT people with "I'm not a labour supporter  ..but" and nobody bats an eyelid , even when it turns out these non labour supporters then voted , errm labour because well there wasn't really any choice but i didn't really want to   .. yet someone whose actually voted Lib Dem as many times as they've voted Tory is somehow a card carrying dyed in the wool Tory

I think it's more to do with your views than explicitly stating you support the Conservatives.

I've probably missed something, but it seems to me like when someone is really pushing you to criticise Boris (or his government) you go to great lengths to avoid doing it apart from saying you don't support everything they do. This might be because of your Brexit position and being wary of undermining it, but I struggle to believe anyone who doesn't loudly denounce (not just ignore) Boris' tricks to try and get his way with no deal can be anything but a Conservative.

I'd like to think a 'considered' Leave voter would at least rally against this as they'd be concerned for the long term constitutional precedents, whereas your average Conservative voter wouldn't give a toss.

11 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

It’s about £5.20 a pint of lager now at my local .. i was in Belgrade the other week and you could get 4 pints for that 

£6.20 at the place I often go for a pint at lunch. Shit pub too. I only go there as it's off the beaten track which I prefer if I'm having one during the day.

I've been working in London for quite a few years now and also went to uni in Greater London. You start to get used to it, but £6+ is the price that has woken me up again tto how ridiculous it is.

I miss Somerset as there would always be some sort of dirty cider the local is trying to get rid of for ~£2 a pint.

18 minutes ago, bickster said:

Another one for the stupidly bold claims file

Laudable as the sentiment is, they will never achieve this

We have two city centre shelters for the homeless in Liverpool, one run in conjunction with the council, the other by a charity run by one of the large property owners in the city centre (Hotels they run themselves mainly). Even in the cold of winter they cannot get everyone to stay in the hostels, despite there being room. to claim you will end rough sleeping across the UK in one parliamentary term is absolute nonsense. Liverpool's Labour council have been trying to get rough sleepers off the street for longer than that and they've been funding all manner of issues to that end, they still haven't managed it

I'm glad they care about the issue, but you're right that it's complete pie in the sky.

There used to be a couple of elderly people (brother & sister) in my home town who inherited a house, but over a period of a few decades still preferred to live on the street and fill the house with overflowing carrier bags of whatever they could get their hands on.

45 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

On VT you have to read between the lines of what is written and what is meant

I tried that earlier and got called out on it!

1 minute ago, tonyh29 said:

its too linear an argument though

not every immigrant is low paid  or indeed even a  problem ,  equally not every stinking rich British person is a tax dodger  , the wealthiest 1% still contribute 28% of all UK tax income

 

I don't think either of those arguments was being made!

1 minute ago, Chindie said:

Ah, international politics as an extension of a posh boys dick measuring contest, what could possibly go wrong?

The pig closes its mouth?

8 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said:

Not me.  I'm a textbook champagne socialist  

Same.

I've never understood the argument that you can't want better for everyone regardless if certain things effect you or not. I find it completely incomprehensible the lack of empathy a lot of people have.

On topic - my empathy isn't restricted to UK borders and even if we did get less out of the EU than we put in (which I don't believe we do) I have no issue with supporting other EU nations.

That is astonishing. They really didn't ever grow up, did they?

I don't care how they talk when joking with their mates, but the stupidity of writing shit like this on official minutes is astounding.

35 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

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I'd take Government websites with a huge pinch of salt.

The one in my area of work is filled with disinformation and dubious opinions stated as precedents.

Be interesting for someone who knows more than myself to comment on the likelihood of these deals happening (and expected timelines) and why it will be the case.

32 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

I appreciate you giving ground on this, I feel that many posters are not as open to saying 'I assumed, I might have been wrong'.

We can disagree on everything of note, but if I don't take you at your word on your beliefs having a debate becomes a bit pointless and I might as well bow out now!

12 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

Why do you think I buy into his deflections or I support Boris in any way?

Mainly because of the discussion around reasons for them not going for an election yet. You think Corbyn is scared he wont win, I think we'll have an election called with the next couple of months.

13 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

I blame a lot on Boris, but he is relatively new to this 3-4 year old party.

Fair enough, I assumed you supported him. I think he has a lot of blame to take much earlier in the process with his role in the Leave campaign.

14 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

I'm sorry to pick you on when stating this, but it amazes me that once any blame is put on EU or Labour, it must mean you support the Tories. Why?

I don't think this at all. Bickster is a good example of someone who has been critical (and imo consistent with it) of all the sides. Just what I've assumed from reading your posts (admittedly only in the last week or so), but maybe it's me that has a skewed perspective.

Just now, Mic09 said:

They might hope that it will scare UK to withdraw the article 50. So far, the hardline EU politics have made a good mess of UK parliament so if they are playing politics to destabilise London, they are doing a good job of it.

Out of interest, do you attribute blame of anything to Boris?

With how transparent it is, it amazes me how many people buy into his deflections. The reality is there is blame to be shared around every political body that is involved...probably apart from the EU.

Just now, bickster said:

Doubt it, most of the leavers are almost dead or lazy bastards (j/k)

...and all remainers are jobless, student, dirty hippy, snowflake, leftie types etc.

Be interesting to see the leave vote areas against unemployment rates though. I also find it weird that a lot of the Brexit supporters are way too busy at work to protest, but resent immigrants for taking their jobs.

14 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

Isn't that because the current position is to leave ..in some description or other  ...  where as the protestors are on the streets trying to stop something that will be happening

if Brexit is stopped , the balance of numbers on the street could well then change  ?

Wishful thinking. They seem outraged enough on social media already and you'd think that would translate to people on the street.

I know one guy who has gone on pro-Brexit marches, but he's also regularly in London for 'Free Tommy Robinson' marches. He's one of these 'you can't say anything anymore' who lives in a small town where absolutely no one would ever have told him what he can and can't say.

I'm sure he got whipped into a state by a dubious Daily Mail article about not being able to say Christmas anymore. He told me once you couldn't say Christmas in the Civil Services (while I worked for them) and refused to believe me when I told him it's nonsense.

Edit: Just for clarity I'm not accusing you of being an EDL type, just went off on a tangent!

FYI, the consequences are pretty severe for surveyors involved in this type of fraud so can't see any willing to 'do a deal' with the club. At a minimum they'd lose their RICS status and no longer be able to work in the industry; worst case, you get prosecuted.

https://www.egi.co.uk/news/in-depth-ian-mcgarry-fraud-case/

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On Tuesday the five-year investigation into a £49m mortgage fraud culminated in the imprisonment of chartered surveyor  Ian Mark McGarry for seven years.

At the outset of the hearing the prosecution counsel detailed McGarry’s involvement in the fraud which led to him knowingly providing Saghir Afzal and his brother Nisar with false valuations based on fictitious leases.

11 hours ago, LakotaDakota said:

I guess the one thing that could potentially hurt us in any sort of investigation is the price...

Assuming we got the valuations carried out by an RICS Chartered Surveyor (which we definitely would have), then if the stadium was found to be overvalued and there was a legal implication it is the surveyor that would be liable to be sued. All surveyors are required to have appropriate levels of PII for the types and magnitude of valuations they work on so their insurance would pay out.

Seeing as it suggests the club had 3 valuations I'd be amazed if they didn't go relatively conservative on the value. Also the sale price to me seems reasonable for a land value and cost to rebuild at the current condition, which is how this would be valued.

I still don't see they can do anything, I think they'll just end up closing the loophole.

Derby is an interesting one at ~£80m, but it could just be that everyone else was cautious and they were bullish when determining the sale price.

Thanks @Rodders, definitely helpful advice. It's interesting you mention shutting down as, what I didn't mention, is I also really struggle with sleeping more than a few hours a night and that's definitely the main issue.

24 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said:

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Agree with most of what you've said there.

I think an election would come down to the finest of margins with the split votes, although if Conservatives and BP coordinated candidates they could potentially have an absolute whitewash assuming this wasn;t an obvious strategy and didn't drive away all their 'moderates'.

I definitely have an addictive personality.

At the age of 27 I've had various stages including way too much binge drinking for a few years as a teenager (to the point of drinking glasses of spirits), taking too many hard drugs at uni and for a few years and after uni smoking a lot of weed. Coupled with being at different points in my life where my mental health wasn't the best and I just didn't care about much I feel very lucky to have been able to get through uni and complete the relevant training in my profession, but I appreciate I wont always be so lucky so really want to work on this.

The only thing I still do on a regular basis is smoking (which I know I need to stop).

Has anyone had any success in working on reducing these damaging tendencies? I know that step one is to probably work on my mental health as I am definitely someone who bottles up and no one in my life even knows this is an issue.

@LakotaDakota Hypothetically if a constituency voted Leave, but there was proof it would now support Remain would an MP then be OK to support remain?

The real frustration with me in these discussions is it assumes no one has any nuance ie leave = leave whatever the cost (woooooo no deal) and remain = trying to frustrate the will of the people fif they don't support No Deal.

Just now, Mic09 said:

At which point did I defend anything that Boris did?

Just a few points ago I said 'even he isn't that stupid'. 

Just because I have a go at Corbyn, does not mean I support anything Boris does. 

Maybe I've read between the lines a bit, but by mocking Corbyn for not agreeing to Boris' GE vote I assumed that you don't think Boris is going to move the date under any circumstances. I disagree and think this is giving him way too much credit.

Just now, bickster said:

Presumably you mean Tory + NF Corporation + DUP have the greater share of seats?

I think that is way too close to call at this stage

I mean that I'd expect it to be a Labour + LD + SNP + Green majority...whether they could form a government out of that is another issure entirely.

Completely agree that it's too close to call which is why I can't see there being a simple majority for any party.

6 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

Maybe - either way, I think that we are not cynical enough when it comes to Mr Corbyn. 

Whatever you think of him...really?! I find this amazing coming from someone seemingly willing to defend all of Boris' completely transparent recent moves.

5 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

I do believe corbyn knows he won't win aGE  but I don't think that's his motive in this instance

Out of interest, would you expect a Conservative majority?

I'd be amazed if it happened as most people I know who are traditional Tory voters would have no interest in voting for them now, but I appreciate they've picked up new votes from various people feeling disenfranchised.

I expect a hung parliament like last time, but I would not expect it to be hung in Boris' favour.

2 hours ago, bickster said:

I'm reading a lease agreement for a new office. Every pronoun is capitalised and commas appear to replace and and or

It's really not easy reading.

Is that the start of a new sentence? Did they miss something out?

Far too large a part of my working life is spent reading through leases. Absolutely horrible things. Worst is when you get 100 pages of uneccessary circular references pointing you to different sections.