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5 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

 

You seem to be labelling me as a “Bruce keeper”. I’m not. I’d happily see him replaced with the right manager, especially if our finances are suddenly a lot better than we thought they were going to be going forward. 

 

I just think people are going a bit ott because this is Thierry Henry. It’s a huge gamble. 

I didn't intend to, I just read it as you'd rather keep Bruce than Have Henry

12 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said:

That time it took for the EFL to approve Xia should have started to ring alarm bells. I think lots of us had doubts, but really wanted to believe in Xia after the misery and silence of the final years of the previous regime. 

Yep, there were many things off from the start, some looking back with hindsight and other more obvious things

19 minutes ago, Kingman said:

Any ideas as to what happens to the £30m? 

Dose it go to the club coffers or Tonys pocket? 

It's Xia's for a share in the club as far as I'm aware. Thing is Xia had no operating capital so that needs to be factored in. I don't know, but I'd imagine other cash has been put in to increase the cash flow.

22 minutes ago, Jareth said:

From your posts I actually expected you'd seen it. Secondly why would Tony just sell his 45% for less than market rate? I know you hate Tony but why would you assume he'd just sell up prior to any success? 

What's the market rate for a club just about to go into Admin? I'm not sure where I have suggested he should sell it for less than any rate?? Also I don't hate Tony. I just don't think he's been a very good owner and the fact we were 72 hours away from Administration kinda attests to that

4 minutes ago, Cliffy Biro said:

But he was saying we dont know what type of football he would play so what has a coaching role somewhere got to do with that, we still wouldn't know.

Also did he ever even actually coach at Arsenal?

I was replying to the part that said "He is literally just a name!" I should have made that clearer and yes he did

4 minutes ago, Nigel said:

He also coached at the World Cup with Belgium, and did a great job. But we are not talking about him coming to us as a coach.

We could be if it was a 'head coach'  But as I've said, everyone starts their manager career somewhere. Lampard up the A38 with Derby with literally NO experience, yet Derby fans are delighted and they had Rowett. You sometimes just have to take a chance. For the longet term future of the club, I'd say keeping Bruce is a bigger chance. 

42 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

That’s fine. But we could try something new that doesn’t involve appointing a complete rookie 

Equally what's wrong with going with a new guy (he's not a complete rookie as I've already alluded to) but yes he's new to a managers gig. Look at Gerrard and Lampard, they all start somewhere. Why not at Villa. Purely a preference isn't it?!

46 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

When did Viera and Arteta become good managers?

Well Viera has got the Nice job and did very well in the US and good means different things to different people. Arteta was strongly considered for the Arsenal job, so I'd say that makes him most likely worthy of a mention for a Championship club. As I said in my last post, this is a new manager thread. No good Bruce keepers just coming in to shit on any mention of a new manager, because it's just a hypothetical discussion (this isn't aimed at you per se, just a general observation)

47 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

There are plenty of people who want it to happen, which suggests they’re pretty sure. 

Its an absolutely massive gamble. Might be a genius move, but I just don’t know where people are getting their confidence. Henry has done nothing. 

I know that the season may not be as effected by our finances as we first thought with this new investment, but Henry still feels like an unnecessary gamble. 

First off to want something doesn't equate to knowing how something would be, its just liking the 'idea' of it (we get it you don't, but it is the new manager thread and not the Bruce or a new manager thread) It's not an either or question. We're discussing managers linked/rumored, but it's 100% become about X manager v Bruce. 

You say it yourself, could be a huge gamble or genius, none of us know, some just like the idea. As for what he's done, He's coached at an Premier League team and at a Top 3 World Cup team with superstars in both and has had lots of favourable comments about his coaching, so that isn't 'done nothing' no he hasn't got 4 Championship promotions which now appears to be the only prerequisite for the job.

The last sentence boiled down is what it's really about. You don't want to take a risk as you're happy with Bruce and that's cool, it's your opinion. Others would quite like a new direction

53 minutes ago, Nigel said:

We have no proof that Henry can play any kind of football!

He is literally just a name!

Once again people literally ignoring the fact he COACHED at Arsenal, who aren't too shabby in the football department. I think it's a case of seeing what you want to see. 

46 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

My opinion is get Wenger on the board as an adviser. Surely that may appeal to him?

Would be great as an adviser to the board

2 minutes ago, Keener window-cleaner said:

One thing I forgott about in my rush of excitement over our new overlords is what happened to the fit and proper owners test?

Did it not have to be conducted as Naz and Wez only bought a minority stake each? Or did the EFL do it in hyper speed time? If so the EFL should get a big thanks (although I'm not sure if that's how we want it to work really).

Anyway, after have passed Xia and others I guess this test doesn't mean much, can as well just skip it if it isn't revised.

(Sorry if this has already been explained on here)   

They approved the cash injection and the deal in principle, they just need to pass the Directors and Owners test to complete the formalties. Won't be long though as EFL are already pretty happy with what they know. Won't take weeks like Xia did

1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Any inside info on Grealish. From what you know what percentage would you give him for staying...

None at all bud. I knew he was 100% going and going fast (but we could all see that) I also tweeted on Monday that all transfers were on hold (as I knew Xia needed to make a deal by Friday) but that's all changed now. We will need to see what the new guys decide

20 minutes ago, Alakagom said:

Smart deal by Xia. The two owners will give us money injection and make it a possible promotion race and then Xia sells for profit after value of team increases after promotion. 

If things go to plan that is 

The new tea boy will be bombed out way before then though I reckon. That will be his desired scenario. They won't want to keep deadwood around. In China, no cash, no football expertise. Just a silent shareholder now (hopefully) No more silly tweets please Xia.

26 minutes ago, Jareth said:

What else is in the contract?

Don't know. I asked about stake and when they would buy more and was told what I posted. I haven't seen it as you'd expect. 

1 hour ago, thabucks said:

Sorry I should of reacted like an adult not a stroppy teen.... day in a beer garden .... to back my statement up I used to work for OUFC and still stay in touch with the old owner who is a bluenose and close to Bruce (attended both recent funerals ) ..... he told me last week to ten days ago Bruce was close to walking and kept threatening to walk ... now he is begging to stay.... 

To back thabucks up he also shared this with me before the Takeover and yes he is very worried about his job (I don't know at this stage if he should be, he ought to be) 

7 minutes ago, PieFacE said:

We're so incredibly lucky really. Obviously we don't know what the intentions of the new owners are just yet...  (do you?) ... but it would be hard to pick a better name to come and buy us. 

I don't mate sadly. I genuinely feel very excited. I've even got out of bed these past few mornings with an extra spring in my step when I wake and remember the Villa. The fact that Nassef is going to be working very hands on (yes I know that part) given how busy he is says a lot about his intentions I think.

1 hour ago, Jareth said:

Just guessing, but if it were my money I'd hang on and see what these guys can do. Tony's a ghost right now whatever happens. 

1 hour ago, PieFacE said:

I would guess it's already out of his control and agreed. There's no reason for these guys to spend all their money and having Tony benefit from it.

There is a clause where the two new guys can buy the rest when promoted, but I don't think it will take that long (far from it) Once they're in and get the villa 'bug' They'll offer him a sweetener and he'll duly be off. He's no more than a doorstop now and brings nothing to the party. He did well to cling onto his stake (I'll give him that) but I imagine that was on the orders of his investors. 

1 hour ago, Daweii said:

Based on the Times article posted a couple pages back it doesn't seem like Xia did much.

Our new owners after watching England lose to Croatia decided to buy Villa and a week or so later here we are. All Xia had to do was respond when spoken to as their net worth was a Google search away unlike his..

I'd give more credit to Xia if he had gone out and found these two then sure, but they came to him after hatching out the plan to buy us. 

I said yesterday that Xia didn't find them, they found him it and it was a couple of weeks in the works,  But yeah the Times piece states they knew each other and discussed it at the WC when at a conference.

1 hour ago, ROTTERDAM1982 said:

If you look at it realistically, then Bruce is the ideal manager in a lot of ways . Experience, Success, History to get a team up from the Championship, so either stick with what we have, and possibly give him some funds, or go for a big name, and hope it works, choice is yours.

 

I do like Dean Smith though

He's done so well in his 2 seasons here, why not give him another go eh?! 

I would take several managers over Bruce. Henry, Terry, AVB, Arteta, Smith

8 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I always wondered do people this rich have bodyguards at all times? They must do right? 

Did xia have a bodyguard?

Xia had whatever Uber driver turned up  I have no idea about bodyguards, but I'd assume so right. I know Lerner never wanted to be videoed as he was worried about being Kidnapped

7 minutes ago, daggy_333 said:

I live in Shropshire and i've never seen him. You're talking nonsense mate

Always do 

Just now, Vive_La_Villa said:

The fact he lives in the country is a good start. 

Yes, apparently has a residence in Shropshire too.