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Lucky goal hahahha

Bielsa has had an equally bad 10 games, and he is sitting safe

Arteta/OGS turned it around. Smith can and will too.

I don't know the use of him. All buys are in the £25m-£35m region. Were are the bargains? Even Bruce got McGinn for £2.5m.... Maybe Bruce should come back.

He's a very good left back, just not a left wing. Nothing to criticize here.

Without Grealish, this was a Bruce/Ole type of performance. So, Smith is dependent on individual brilliance like everybody else.

In his last two full seasons Bruce managed positions 13 and 12. Smith managed positions 17 and 11. Position wise Bruce did better than Smith.  I know a certain poster wants to argue, yet facts don't lie. buhahahaha

34 minutes ago, May-Z said:

Odd call. 

In your opinion, how could he have done better?

He wasn't involved a lot but I don't think that was down to him.

Pass the ball, make himself available. He was just too slow

Wesley would have contributed better than Ings. Wesley is the strong forward this game needed.

At fault for the first goal.

Grealish >>>>>>>> Buendia

Brought stability to the midfield.

Worst one today.

All of them were awful today. The whole team. El Ghazi, Buendia, Ings.... Actually Ings was the worst one

Villa is just an ordinary team without Grealish

1 hour ago, CVByrne said:

We've Sanson, Young, Buendia, Bailey, Ings and Tuanzebe for Barkley, Jack, Taylor, Elmo, Engles and Heaton. Plus we've CC and JPB in the mix.

We'll likely sign another midfielder too. We had no Jack for 1/3rd of last season too. I see us as a stronger team with more depth this season, that's before we factor in improvement from some players.

That was pointwise the worst 1/3rd of last season too....

On 29/12/2020 at 18:49, TrentVilla said:

No he hasn't, I haven't and I didn't. 

This is pointless, you've formed your opinion and refuse to acknowledge when people show you to be incorrect so for the 3rd time I'm done debating it with you.

The thousands of Newcastle fans must all be wrong and you must be right.

This is opinions you attributed to me, which I never wrote anywhere and you got them out of your head. I never said Bruce was a better manager than Benitez in general:

On 26/12/2020 at 22:24, TrentVilla said:

Ok.... you are right... Bruce is a better manager than Rafa 

On 26/12/2020 at 22:31, TrentVilla said:

I'm paraphrasing. To summarise your actual points though,

* There is no difference in the football of Bruce and Rafa - which is wrong

* You questioned who the tactical genius was of the two suggesting it was actually Bruce - which is wrong

* You claimed Bruce was out performing Rafa on points - which is wrong

 

Here you admit to "paraphrasing", which means attributing opinions to me that I have never stated. I never said they employ equal tactics. I said they both play defensive football. I never said anything about tactical football. But, I'll give you the last point because Bruce got one point less than Benitez. I still am adamant that Newcastle with Benitez had better offensive players (Ayoze Perez and Rondon) than Newcastle with Bruce last season (Joelinton). So, if I feel that Bruce has done a very good job points wise, than that is what the hard facts of the table says.

17 hours ago, av1 said:

Who's opinion to believe?

1 solitary voice on a Villa forum or 60 thousand Geordies that watch ever game? Mmmm. 

There are more than me.

17 hours ago, TrentVilla said:

He hasn’t though, that’s factual regardless of your opinion. Nobody is lying and I’ve literally no idea the relevance of BLM to this.

You perhaps should look at you own posts on the point re respect. 

He has. And you really need to stop attributing me opinions I have never said, which you admitted to doing.

21 minutes ago, Keyblade said:

No point debating specifics. Bruce isn't even in the same stratosphere of caliber of manager as Benitez. 

I never said anything about their careers. I just stated that Bruce has done a better job with Newcastle than Benitez. My opinion. If you disagree, fine by me. But you guys need to stop with the lying just to win a debate of opinions. This isn't BLM. This is just football. Yet respect is something you clearly lack.

1 hour ago, TrentVilla said:

And loved by Valencia and Liverpool fans but that like how he was viewed by Chelsea or Milan fans is utterly irrelevant. 

I've said his football was dull several times. He got away with it though because time and time again he built successful sides, well drilled and tactically spot on sides that he sent out to play exacting tactical game plans. Pretty much the direct bloody opposite to Bruce. You just can't grasp this point no matter how frequently it is made so I'm done.

I can't be arsed entertaining this when you just make stuff up, you've no idea what level of control he had in each of his jobs, you are just making stuff up as frequently as your point shifts.

 

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The now infamous ‘Lee Charnley’ programme notes – 11 August 2019:

“We were delighted to secure a number of targets that we have had on our radar for a period of time.

“We had several outstanding scouting reports about Joelinton and he is a player who we strived for.

“We worked so hard to get a deal agreed for him earlier this year (as far back as February) to take effect from 1 July.

“Everything was in place, with all contracts and paperwork agreed, and it was very disappointing and surprising that we could not conclude it at that time.

“We felt it was a transfer that was in the best interests of the football club.

“However, we needed Rafa’s approval to proceed and, despite our best efforts, this is something he would not give.

“Following Steve Bruce’s arrival, we discussed Joelinton and our scouting reports at length.

“With Steve completely on board, we were delighted to secure him. He and Hoffenheim were very patient and we are grateful to them for that.”

“Steve’s views were very much in line with our own in terms of what the team needed to improve.”

So, isn't this in line with what I said? You made me google. So who's making stuff up? It's you. Now, go to bed.

5 minutes ago, Zatman said:

I dont understand how its a criticism of Benitez for leaving IF the board gave him a 40 million dud. If anything it just shows what a good judge of a player he is and how gutless Bruce is for accepting such a player

And Bruce got the same point tally as Benitez the year before with that dud. That's the point.

2 minutes ago, TrentVilla said:

He didn't do better. How many sodding times.

He did the same despite spending ten times what Rafa spent. The entire bloody point of this entire debate was about the football the two played with you unable to see the difference between the two and somehow trying to claim Bruce had done a better job which simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny and isn't at all reflected in how the two are viewed by those who watch Newcastle every week.

At no point has anyone least of all me suggested Benitez would have this team playing like Barcelona, that is just rather daft strawman argument (look it up).

What I think is fairly certain is that if Rafa had remained and spent the money Bruce has spent then they would have done more than stand still from a points perspective and go backwards in terms of how the team played.

What I think is that Rafa plays dull football but that tactically he is on different planet to Bruce as is demonstrated by their careers, that he is a better judge of player and better at identifying and developing talent than Bruce. That had Rafa remained they would be doing significantly better than they are now. If you think otherwise, fine, but I think you are deluded if you do.

Benitez got away with dull and boring football, because he had won some stuff with good players before. Benitez himself was hated by fans at Chelsea and Inter Milan because of his defensive playing style. Bruce is not a popular manager here, and that's fine. But when discussing, don't think your snides make your inaccurate points any truer.

Btw, at which club did Benitez have full control, and which players did Benitez himself choose at Newcastle, Valencia, Chelsea, Inter? Didn't Liverpool have a transfer committee? So he just decided that his reason for leaving Newcastle, was because he wanted more control than he ever had in any club in his entire managerial career? Sure...

2 hours ago, TrentVilla said:

You keep saying this but it’s incorrect, Rafa left as he has stated himself because he wanted full control of transfers. The replacement for Rondon didn’t happen until quite a long time after he left. 

Benitez wanted to wait before signing the contract. When he saw what kind of team he was getting, he ran all the way to china. It is 100% certain that your boy didn't want Joelinton. But you're just want to make a point about Bruce being a shit manager, that you don't want to accept that he did better with a team than Benitez thought he himself would do. Or standing still, or whatever. It's like you think Benitez would magically make this exact team play like Barcelona 2012, while the truth is they probably would be standing still regardless of which of the two manages them.