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Yes, it is a way of talking that people here are used to, but it doesn’t end on your forum. The whole world talks this way. They not only talk this way, but they do exactly what has been proposed (go and abuse others). That is part of the purpose for war; to go and abuse others. I read about the abuse regularly. It may be that he/she is not booking a flight, but the words that come out of a man’s heart, only reflect the sentiments of his heart. It is law. An honest moral man could not say what has been suggested (go and abuse another), but a corrupt man could. I was not ridiculing Prudence, I have great pity for her. For someone like her to dedicate their life to following us around and trying to make us look bad: this seems to me as somewhat of a sign of insanity. I have nothing but sympathy for the insane as they live in a world that does not exist and cannot get out of it.

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Yes. Can I come for a visit? I promise I'll be discreet RJ. What do you want to visit with my neighbor/sister about? Do you want to know how to find Christ? Or are you interested in exercising your perverted lusts? Its all about the perverted lusts. I'm coming as well You’ve given a very good example of why we are no longer a part of your world. You’ve demonstrated exactly the reason our children enjoy and want to live in our world rather than yours. You have only a handful of people on the planet of which you cannot abuse, corrupt, oppress and molest. Yet, you desire to come here and do that very thing to these few that live here. Our “children” read these forums when events such as this are occurring - when you judge and expose yourselves as you are doing. Our children read that the men of the world only want to abuse them and not treat them with respect and dignity. Can those who cry out that our children are not free to chose, see how it is that they have chosen and why? Can you blame our little ones for their choice? No, you won’t be coming here and abusing anyone. We have One who watches over us, and will not allow this to occur.

Poor Prudy, you just can't stay away from us can you? I was just thinking about you yesterday: how you keep updating your site - always posting our latest activities. It seems to me that you are just as connected to our little group as you always were. I sure hope you get over your fit before it drives you crazy.

Yes. Can I come for a visit? I promise I'll be discreet RJ. What do you want to visit with my neighbor/sister about? Do you want to know how to find Christ? Or are you interested in exercising your perverted lusts?

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Your question had been answered about 15 times already. Jeff and Wendy were divorced (no longer married) when the consumation took place with Michael. This means Michael did not have relations with his daughter in law. I think a child could understand that.

If I recall I answered most of your questions previously. I don’t bother trying to answer mockery, pure nonsense or something that has been answered 50 times already - I’m not a machine. I don’t see an honest question here, only mockery. If it is honest, then you can find the answer in this thread elsewhere as it has already been dealt with. As has been said already; Michael had a brief sexual encounter with a divorced consenting woman. This was done to offend the self-righteous souls who think they are holy. Since you refer to the bible, it implies you must you believe in it. If that is the case; should a man obey God? Should Abraham have told God “forget it”, when he was asked to sacrifice his son? If Abraham is considered a “holy man” for obeying God, why should Michael be considered an immoral idiot for obeying God? If you don’t believe in the bible is inspired, why refer to it? I am prepared for your central banking system system to have such a collapse, it will make the worst financial crisis the modern world has ever experienced look like absolute prosperity. I am very prepared to watch your world get blown to complete smithereens in a nuclear holocaust the likes of which men have imagined since the A-bomb was created. I am prepared to be taken to my heavenly home, for God is not a liar like the men of the world. If none of this happens, I am prepared to live my life as God tells me to. I’ve had 25 years of experience in trusting my Father, I think I will stick with Him.

Only 48. Were you not 70 strong? When did you lose these others? Some got offended and left. Some are still part of our family, living in the area, but not on the property here.

I think this has been expained a couple hundred times. If God tells someone to do somethig, is it a sin? This is a test to see who can hear God's voice and who cannot.

To Don Your question is understandable considering the way the average citizen has been programed. I’ll give a couple examples to drive the point home. Nearly every war the U.S. (or any other nation) has engaged in for the last 100 years was based on deception. Iraq and Vietnam are the best examples of this, but are just two of them. Iraq had no WMD and the U.S. was not attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin. Five million peasants have died because of these two lies. One of the reasons people think we will blindly drink poison and kill ourselves is the wonderful spin doctors of our day. We are told David Koresh and the Branch Davidians killed themselves those many years ago. If you did some research, you would find out this is not true. Films like “The Waco Lie” and “Rules of Engagement” clearly demonstrate the Davidians were murdered by a cult who does not like people to live in a free manner. There is also a lot of controvery about the real events that happened at Jonestown, the home of the koolaid story. Think about it; the Davidians were held up in their own compound and were a long ways from any other neighbors. The government could have sat there for years and waited and watched. But because they are the true cult, and claiming to save the children (the same uproar we hear), they (U.S. Gov.) went in and torched the place to the ground. The root of the problem here is that people are liars and love to be lied to. Your whole world is base and propelled by a lie. So when someone like myself says we will never commit suicide, we are not believed. For 20 years we have been telling society we are going to leave the earth (not suicide), just as the bible says we would and like Jesus did. You could simply believe me and you would know what I am saying is true. But let me ask you this: why would it be so tragic if we violated every law within our own being and killed ouselves? We are only 48 happy people living as we see fit. On the other hand; the true Cult has murdered over two million citizens in Iraq and people just wink. Doesn't this seem to be a bit contradictory? Soon a war will be launched to murder a few million more in Iran. We are only 48 people. You see, the real issue is the true cult (U.S.A, UK) does not want people to be free.

To Olejniker You suggest that you are a Christian. Should a Christian do what God says to do? Should he not do something God tells him to do, just because it would make him look bad? Is this what Christ taught when He said He always obeys His Father? Michael had a brief sexual relation with a divorced consenting adult woman, not his daughter in law. Saying Micahel had relations with his daughter in law is repeating a lie. You have already said you do not know the guy. It is just as well that you did not see the fraudumentary. But you have invented the notion that Michael has committed incest. This is telling a lie. One of the Ten Commandments says that we should not tell lies. Do you feel that men should obey the ten commandments, or just some of them? The events that occurred are very comparable to the test that Abraham was given. The difference is; Michael was commanded to do something which appears reprehensible, and God did not stop him as happened with Abraham. Who should really get the blame in this test? Wouldn't it be God, since he did not stop the event? This should be something easy to understand if one is actually a God follower.

OutByEaster, I have to apologize here as I’m a bit of a simpleton. I’ve read your post a few times and cannot particularly define what your question is. I could attempt to answer the following, if you thought it best summed up your question, or if you would like to rephrase your last post, that would be fine also. “I'm not saying that any man should attempt to define God, just wondering how you go from the potential existence of a creator to drawing a fuller picture of that creator as a nurturer, teacher and moral guide.”

You could call almost everything in life a recruitment drive. When a person finds a nice TV at a good price, he tells his friends. If one locates a great soccer ball, he usually doesn’t just buy it and hide it in the closet. Turn on your TV and you will see evangelism every 10 minutes (advertisements). I came on here to clear up some things about the film. I stayed because people asked some questions. I can say this though: I have been contacted by someone who read this thread and wanted to come and live here. I did not even reply. The person that Jerry spoke of wanted to come here as well. He was told that if he has the spirit of God, he is already part of our little family, and should stay where he is. We are not selling anything. We are not raising money. We don't want "members". Does that sound like recruitment to you? On the other hand; would I be disappointed if someone decided to start treating their neighbors with respect and love? - no I wouldn’t.

I had asked Micahel this question earlier, and this was his response. Michael has not "slept" with men. Men are the image of the old husband, the earth, that had dominion over the woman, the church. The woman overcomes by giving herself to the Son. The man overcomes by yielding up his dominion to the Son. A woman in the historical sense has not had a kingdom. The man was the ruler over her. That is why a woman takes the man's name when she marries him. The woman is a yielder, the man is a warrior, and their marriage to the Son comes in different ways. The parable of the land reveals this.

As intelligent of a man you think you might be, it seems that you simply have no ability to reason. When was the last time you were here to know what my food or drink choices are? When did you observe a Messiah telling me what to drink? It is almost noon and I am now eating breakfast; are you so insane that you think a man walks into each and every home at all hours of the day and night and tells someone what to eat and drink? Do you actually read anything that I write? - like when I said that I sometimes never converse with Michael face to face for months. Tell me mister free man: when you are in a big hurry going down the highway and you want to drive at 180 kph, but the speed limit is only 100, do you exercise your freedom? If you wanted to build a commercial building in a residential zone, do you do it? Why not? Does your cult leader tell you when and where you can build and you just blindly follow him? If the big bad Moslims move a few doors down the street from you, and you want to buy a bazooka to protect yourself from their radical militant 10 year old children: do you exercise your free will and buy one? Do you show that you are brainwashed by submitting to your Guru (state and federal laws)?

I don't know what you look at, but I look at everything I want to look at. I look at what my Father tells me to look at, which eliminates those things that harm the soul. Read the first two paragraphs of my last post.

Don, you speak of some very practical things here, especially your last few lines. I would like to touch on the idea of being brainwashed though. Those who hear of little groups like ours often think that we are perpetually bombarded with someone else's ideas and are in some manner forced to believe and live as we do and cannot think for ourselves or break out of it. This is understandable in part because it is what society at large has been trained to think and how they live. I happen to know that my heart and mind are very open to new ideas and other possibilities of change. I can only speak for myself, but I converse with Michael on a face to face basis for just a few minutes a month. Sometimes months will go by and I do not visit with him at all. The spirit of God however is continually inside of me telling me what is true and what is a lie. My mind gets changed all the time by various influences. I question most things that come my way, especially if it is published by a corrupt media. I am very much a "free thinker". Some time back the "civilized world" was injected with the notion that the President of Iran wants to "Wipe Israel off the map". If I were brainwashed and unmovable in my thought process, I would be like the rest of the druids who then begin to chant "Bomb Iran". Because I am open to new thoughts, I hear a voice that suggests I go and do a little bit of research. I find out that Mr. Ahemdidnejad was saying Israel as a State and political entity should not exist. He is saying the country and its political structure should not be called Israel and run by Zionist who only want to crush out the Palestinians. He is suggesting the "holy land" should be renamed Palestine, and all the people living there should have the right to work, live, and shape its destiny, not just the Israelis/Zionist. He was never talking about murdering Jews in an act of ethnic cleansing. Before the declared start of the Iraq war in 2003, the wise men on the other side of the channel claimed to have all the proof needed that Saddam had WMD and should be slaughtered - their country their decimated. This was in the form of its #10 Dossier. When I heard it being promoted, a flag went off in my mind that something was fishy. Could this happen if I was not open minded? It turned out the dossier which Blair, Bush and Powell were continually citing from, was plagiarized by a college kid from data taken off the internet, regurgitated by your MI5, then declared as truth by Downing Street. Now millions of lives are affected and destroyed. Could I have ever found this out if my mind was not open? If I were close minded, how could it have been possible for me to recognize that Michael is the returned Christ? I would have been like the other 1.5 billion "christians" who think Jesus would come in the sky, put me on a cloud and take me to his petting zoo with its built in eternal smorgasbord of food - after all, this is what I was taught for over 40 years. The facts are, "civilized" peoples are brainwashed all day long through their TVs and print media. They are told what to believe almost all the day long. Every week they go to churches and are hypnotized by preachers who tell them a fanciful story a man who will come for them in the sky. Yes, some fools suggest Michael is going to kill us off. But they do not realize their leaders have set them up exquisitely. Their economy is on a free fall to complete collapse the likes of which have never been seen before. Their Gurus are soon going to embark on the continuation of WW3 (Iran) which will lead to a nuclear holocaust and the annihilation of the planet. Their leaders are going to kill them, but they cannot see it. God simply uses circumstances like Michael's appearing to separate those who hear God's voice and see Him, from those who cannot. I know that most people cannot or will not believe what I have been saying, but this has happened for a very good reason. "And since they're so obsessed with evil, I will rub their noses in it and gives them what they want. Since they refuse to trust truth, they're banished to their chosen world of lies and illusions." - God - 2 Thes 2:11-12

Good night folks. I wish you all the best.

I was addressing the suggestion that Micahel is a liar and that I am being lied to.

“He that reasons with a true and honest heart could not help but acknowledge that there is a God. He that cannot do this, cannot reason."

All quotes are from OutByEaster She would say she does. The actions which come from sentimentalism and and the actions which flow out of the heart of love are worlds apart. She is welcomed back now. None. In an instant, unless something has changed. All I would have to do is give up the desire to follow my God and my conscience. I wrote a song which tells my story a little. It can be heard at this link

All quotes are from Jonah-man The man cannot guarantee this because he does not know what Michael was told. He is only exercising his vain imagination. I am exercising my faith by claiming that Michael is who he says he is. No, this cannot be guaranteed. I am only excersizing my faith that what Michael tells me is true. Some people have this faith, some don’t. Yes, I’ve seen miracles. One of our members was healed of a broken foot. Another woman was healed of an issue of blood that she had had for years. Does that make you believe in him? I clipped out a response from Michael about the “question” of miracles. He answered: “Can we get real??? Is there any greater miracle than for a 66 year old man being asked for intimacy by young women when the 66 year old man never intimated that or thought of it? Just choose your miracle. Were the miracles of Jesus just group think? If miracles convinced people, would not the Jews have been convinced by the miracles of Jesus? You said that you would believe if a limb were restored by me. No you would not. I once prayed for a young boy who lost his eye when a little friend threw a stick into it. The physician in charge told me the boy’s eye had been destroyed. The stick had gone clear into the cones and mutilated it. When the boy was released from the hospital, I prayed for him and anointed him. The hospital took his bandage off when he returned for a check up and his eye was fully restored, even to better sight than the non damaged one. You see, miracles are for those who see them and understand them, but you will not believe though I raise someone from the dead. It makes no difference. It is the truth that converts, and not miracles. It is the Spirit Who causes one to see reality and not outward signs.” This was a fabrication by the film maker and has been addressed numbers times previously. This would be easily provable in even the most corrupt courts of our day. Yes, you can probably relate to it. Jeff was was born into this world. Jesus said “No man is good”. Everyone is capable of being a Charles Mason, a Hitler, a Tony Blair or a George Bush. You would have to ask him about that. There are means of contacting him on the web.

Tony, What I am saying is debating (for the sake of debating) the existence of God, and if the idea of creation can be believed, if for those who like to bang their heads against rocks. Some people like it... I’m past that stage.

Many years ago, kings had a thousand wives, today a person would be jailed for it. The consumption of alcohol was an acceptable behavior in its day. That day has passed.