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14 hours ago, bickster said:

Already posted about this in the Tory thread but as much as I want PR, I really couldn’t vote for them but being as the LibDems also want PR (and the Greens) it’s unlikely they’d be the only party with it in their manifesto. I do agree though that Labour will not as it currently stands have PR in the manifesto.

I think the interesting aspect in all of this is that it has the Tories shit scared and after a spell in the political wilderness with Reform pushing the throbbers towards PR the Tories might. The flip side to that is that PR might actually put the throbby Tories off from switching to Reform, which I think will be the Tory tactic. As Anderson ably demonstrates, a vote for Reform is a vote for Labour and all that. That will almost certainly be the short term Tory tactic

It's unlikely the Tories, Like Labour are going to voluntarily change the system that's kept one or the other in power for a century.

We all know what's going to happen with Reform etc. There'll be a backroom deal done on deadline day to withdraw their throbby candidates again in exchange for vague promises about how throbby the Tories are willing to be if they get re-elected.

The only difference this time is whether they're willing to talk to the Tories when they're led by someone they hate as much as Sunak...which I'm sure has nothing at all to do with his race...

1 hour ago, omariqy said:

What Palestine don’t need is a stooge government. They need the right to return, ability to control their air space and their coast etc. If you have that then Hamas no longer functions imo. 

I didn’t say anything about a stooge government. Only one that actually wants to bring the conflict to an end. Obviously one side or other can’t feel like they’ve been screwed or it’s a Versailles thing all over again and it’ll just start again.

They do need to accept reality though.

1 hour ago, Jareth said:

Would you accept your government carpet bombing Northern Ireland in order to kill a handful of terrorists?

It’s not carpet bombing. If they wanted to carpet bomb there’d be nothing left. It’s targeted but I’ll admit it some of the photos don’t look great but what can you do when you’ve got extremists hiding in a civilian population using their innocence to stay your hand to deal with them?

The solution has to be dialogue but not with Hamas.

On 24/11/2023 at 21:59, omariqy said:

Really hoping this pause is a gateway to a ceasefire. 

Then what though?

Pointless unless it leads to any kind of talks between the sides on some kind of longer term solution but frankly I think we’re beyond that now.

Once they’ve got as many of the hostages out as possible there’s no promise hamas can make that can be trusted. They don’t have a future because they aren’t interested in constructive talking. They’ve got to go and be replaced by someone more moderate that the Israelis can talk to, who don’t have extermination in their charter, and who want to discuss the borders of a viable Palestinian state that are routed in the situation that exist now, not as it was in 1948.

Likewise the Israelis need to acknowledge their role in where we’ve found ourselves and work on genuine faith to ensure that the Palestinians have a viable state.

There’s a solution to be found if everyone could just be reasonable but Hamas have to be destroyed. There’s no way around that.

"Lads, I said something and I need to backtrack out of it ASAP"

"No worries, guv. What can we say that sounds kinda like "shithole" but still have the word "shit" in it so it's vaguely plausible?"

"Shit MP?"

"That'll do"

Tories...always lying for some shit reason.

It's a real shame sometimes that MP's need to direct their questions and comments to the chair. I'd very much have enjoyed this fellow being able to call James Cleverly a word removed to his face in the chamber.

17 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

I mean for me we have so many **** gaps for work here surely offering training to work as nurses, or other sectors we have shortages  . Give them NHS numbers and get them into work.

My biggest concern is more pressure on NHS and gps with more people coming in but no extra services for this

It's fine to have concerns but when it steps over the bounds into hatred and violence which you'd have to agree people saying the navy should machine gun boat loads of people certainly is.

I have concerns as well but less so on the numbers as I don't think they're large enough when compared to those on the continent to be a problem as long as the government is doing what it should be doing which is building enough homes and putting public investment at the levels it needs to be to accommodate population increases.

My issues are mainly around unbalancing of our society. When the people coming across are mainly men you have an unhealthy ratio of men to women in the country. Where they're coming primarily from areas of the world that are very culturally different to ours, not necessarily religion, although that definitely plays a part, but you've got people who have no experience living in a western democratic system and all of a sudden they have a culture shock, and at times the adjustments we're having to make to accommodate their "ways". A lot of people seem to want to live and work in London and the south east which is only making the imbalance between north and south worse. Onviously the complete shitshow that is the immigration services who have been deliberately gutted so you have this ridiculous amount of time it takes to get to conclusion causing a crazy backlog that'll take years to clear. Not being able to find temporary work so you've got tens of thousands that are essentially a burden to the state when they could be put to some use but for some reason the Tories don't want to. The list goes on.

10 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said:

@markavfc40 I’d say it’s pretty normal views in my experience .My mum says they should  machine gun the boats coming over the water .  When I say normal it doesn’t mean I’m saying it’s right, but in the world I live in quite a few feel that way. 

It’s a consequence of the dehumanisation we’ve seen in the media for years now. Some of our population just don’t see the people in the boats as people anymore so they can say awful things like “blow them out of the water” or “machine gun them” etc.

You’d like to hope that when it actually came to something like that they aren’t serious or we're much closer to nazi style camps and final solutions than we realise.

6 minutes ago, VillaJ100 said:

Turkey's voting for Xmas. The premier league should just set the rules.dont like it f off and join the football league 

The premier league are the clubs. It’s a cartel.

9 hours ago, markavfc40 said:

It is certainly pointless for the masses. According to Martin Lewis only 4% of us pay inheritance tax.

 

This has only really become a “thing” because they (and tbf successive governments before them) have allowed house prices to skyrocket, particularly in London and the “Home Counties” where a house that’s maybe £150-200k north of Watford gap is north of a million quid south of it.

They've allowed a class of people to be created who are very asset rich but cash poor (or maybe slightly better). They don’t see themselves as wealthy sitting in their million pound 2 bed London terrace house because they’re struggling to buy food like everyone else.

47 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said:

Talk of last seasons relegated clubs looking for financial compensation from Everton, what about every team that was relegated in seasons with two losses against City or Chelsea if they get done. This could be an interesting Pandora's Box

I thought there was something in the rules that premier league clubs couldn’t sue each other? That it all had to go through the league. Could be wrong though.

54 minutes ago, useless said:

I fee like this deduction has come at a really bad time within the season for Everton, they've been on a good run recently, lost just one of the last five and got a couple of good away wins, but that kind of form won't last, and when you look at their next twelve fixtures, they're potentially in for a difficult run up until late February

Man Utd (h), Nottingham Forest (a), Newcastle (h), Chelsea (h), Burnley (a), Spurs (a), Man City (h), Wolves (a), Aston Villa (h) Fulham (a), Spurs (h), Man City (a)

I guess they have to hope the bottom three continue to be as bad as they have been results wise, and that they can pick up a few unexpected wins

I wouldn’t want to be the team going to goodison in the next few weeks. It’s going to be like the end of the last couple of seasons with flares, smoke bombs, team buses attacked and general scouse abuse on acid.

2 hours ago, bobzy said:

r.e: the timing, the losses are over a rolling 3 year period so you can’t apply a punishment until this has possibly been breached and then investigated.

Retrospective moves for clubs impacted shouldn’t be a thing - and there’s absolutely zero way of telling whether or not Everton incurring an extra £20m of cost would have much, if any, bearing on their ability to stay in the league.

They started investigating this last season. There was a whole “will they, won’t they” over whether the punishment would be in time to **** them over last year.

I think the team that finished 18th last year has to have a very strong case to say that the leagues inability to get this done quickly relegated them.

This is annoying on so many levels.

Firstly, there's no justice in this at all. They've been punished this season for offences given in years past where other clubs have got relegated. Let's hope those clubs are able to go legal and get some justice from Everton that way.

Everton are still showing no contrition and no admitance of guilt at all. Surely that has to factor as well? If they aren't sorry then they'll just do it again.

They're. to some degree rightly, pointing at Man City and trying to draw equivilence but what are they saying? Do they want their punishment suspended until City get punished too? Do we have to wait until everyone gets punished before anyone does?

24 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

Jess Phillips is Yardley, Shabana Mahmood is Ladywood.

And you're right that ethnoreligious profile of their constituency is a guide to how their MP might have voted - but it's going to be a mixing pot of doing what they think is right, electoral expedience and genuinely trying to represent the opinions of their constituents in parliament. In what proportion of each probably depends on the MP. 

Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that Jess Phillips could wear an "I  Netanyahu" t-shirt between now and the next election and she'd still comfortably hold her seat. 

You're right, apologies. Point still stands though.

I'm not saying necessarily that they're wrong as I'm the first to say that we need more MPs voting how their constituents would want them to rather than how some party whip bellend has told them they must. 

10 hours ago, PaulC said:

It's a tricky one for Labour mps. Dammed if you do dammed if you don't.  I wouid hope the ones that voted against a ceasefire have done so with a heavy heart.

I would think judging by some of the names and constituencies involved there’s a religious and/or electoral element to it.

Jess Phillips for example will have a massive problem holding down Ladywood if she hadn’t done what she did.

Sunak saying he’s not happy because an independent court without party affiliation looked at the evidence without prejudice and decided Rwanda definitely wasn’t safe when parliament populated by a combination of right wing Tory scumbags and spineless Tory scumbags who were whipped to tow the party line decided it definitely is.

15 minutes ago, bickster said:

So Sunak appears to be sticking with the Rwanda plan and will change domestic law in order to do it.

Has he actually read the judgement?

He says he will, but he wont. If he was willing to go down that road he'd have just done it already with Suella (I'm mixed race so I can't be a massive racist) Braverman in the home office and saved himself the time and money with the court cases.

4 minutes ago, Mozzavfc said:

It was all part of her plan to get the UK out the European Court of Human Rights. That'll be the line all the Brexit throbbers push. Europe is telling us what we can do, Brexit means Brexit all over again 

That's the thing with right wing politics. There's got to an enemy to get people all angry. It's just the lowest, most base form of politics. We want to do a bunch of nasty horrible things but those [insert courts, foreigners, brown folk, lefties, snowflakes, wokerati] over there won't let us.

4 minutes ago, bickster said:

Much chatter (unattributed) about letters going in

The Express seems to think that Bravermans Common Sense Group and Kruger / Cates New Conservative Group have 60 members between them. It's hard to tell as some MPs are members of both (Kruger and Lee Anderson definitely)  and other members aren't declared

350 Tory MPs mean that 15% = 53 letters to trigger a leadership election

Its possible they may have the numbers. The Guardian at one point thought that CSG had 59 members

Classic naming from the total headbangers.

Much like the European Research Group who have yet to publish a single piece of research on Europe or otherwise.

6 minutes ago, Jareth said:

This is surely just Sunak realising, probably too late, that he needs to be in the centre ground come the next election. 

That's definitely what it is. If he's smart he'll announce the election ASAP as well and give the nutters on the right of the party no time to start lobbing grenades.

Just now, ml1dch said:

Cameron confirmed as Foreign Secretary. Always a bad sign when a show has to bring back characters that they killed off in a earlier series. 

I really hope it's a Dallas-style season long nightmare and we're all going to wake up to the reality that we all voted for chaos with Ed Milliband.

5 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

Have improved quite significantly in recent weeks haven't they? Playing with confidence now, guess it helps that DCL is staying fit and Doucoure is on form. 

Not sure when this punishment verdict is going to come, but they're on 14 points now so even if they got docked 12 as rumoured, they'd only be 4 points behind Luton in 18th and on current form you wouldn't expect them to be in any real danger, they'd make that up in a month or so. 

The current bottom 3 this year have been truly dreadful so far. I can’t remember a year where all 3 of the promoted teams look this bad. Usually there’s one that are there as the whipping boys but all 3 this year just look hopeless.

6 hours ago, Captain_Townsend said:

As a non UK resident it is clear as day to me that since Brexit the Tory Party had gone further and further to the right and must be considered a populist party at this stage. 

Listened to the latest podcast from The News Agents when out walking the dog earlier.

Was interesting that they argue that the right of the Tory party has massively misinterpreted both the referendum result and the election victory of 2019. That the data basically says that both were the consequence of some pretty deprived areas that have been massively affected by deindustrialisation wanted economic revival, better jobs and generally better lives and in 2019 wanted all of the above and just to get the brexit thing over and get some stability. The Tories under Johnson offered both of those things but failed to deliver on both counts (mainly through Johnson being Johnson) and instead now treat the red wall voters as nothing but angry uneducated sheep who just hate foreigners and wokery.

Theyre getting massacred in 12 months so I wouldn’t worry too much.

1 hour ago, NurembergVillan said:

Unless they're Cabinet ministers.

Or GBeebies presenters