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6 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

Dyche is doing exactly what you would expect there, I'd even go as far as to say that if you went back to when he was appointed the majority on here predicted it 

He's kept them up, he would have got them to 10th to 15th it wasn't for the points deduction, he will get them comfortably 10th to 15th next season... All while playing a brand of football which is **** painful let alone garbage and has absolutely no future or anything to get excited about which for me is only slightly better than Steve Bruce... But if your ambition is stay up then it's a great job 

There'll always be a market for those kinds of managers.

23 hours ago, MWARLEY2 said:

Not looking too good for them. 777  seem like they are a busted flush  

777 are already 200 mill into Everton. But no nearer buying them. If they get turned down which looks likely then 777 will be trying to retrieve that money. Plus another local consortium have lent 160 mill for the stadium and have a 50% charge over Moshiri for that.  Total nightmare . Be like piranhas tearing at any flesh left  .

Moshiri might well lose an insane amount of money when all this is put to bed. 

I read that if 777 by the club what they've loaned is turned into equity (which I think is technical speak for, knocked off the asking price). If they don't then it's a loan that needs to be paid off by whoever comes next and makes them look very unattractive. I also read that they'll own part of the new stadium as it was technically their money that paid for its construction?

It's a total mess.

1 minute ago, chrisp65 said:

Well it looks like we disagree. But you feel people don’t need any more information if they favour unionism, as that would be condescending. Whereas I would welcome more information. I’ve also not mentioned patriotism or described others as inferior. Quite the opposite, I see them as equals.

But I’m the Brexity one? Sounds legit..

 

No you just implied that if people read a little more they'd agree with you....totally not a condescending point of view....

45 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

Completely accept its a work in progress and any concerted idea of independence is relatively recently re discovered. But it’s something well worth working towards and educating people on. Once people have all the information, and don’t just believe in their own lack of talent or agency, then things can only improve.

I can’t really say I’ve got any opinion on a Liverpool argument for independence. Though I know places like Cornwall have small indie movements because they also feel they are not getting the best deal and would be better off in charge of their own affairs rather than hoping their year will eventually arrive in Westminster.

Wales not being politically homogenous is correct, and a good thing. There are umbrella parties such as Plaid, single issue parties such as the Greens, more socially conservative parties such as Propel or Gwlad. English speaking areas, Welsh speaking areas, industrial and agricultural. All with one thing in common. They’d be better off if they didn’t have to hope for some Westminster hand outs. I cannot see the argument where we are better off with 32 of the 650 MP’s in Westminster, rather than taking responsibility for ourselves. 

 

 

That's such a condescending statement. To imply that those who favour the union are uninformed, lacking in personal self-belief or belief in their country.

It's a very Brexit-y argument, if I can say that.

It's perfectly possible to be a patriotic Welshman and a patriotic Brit. Just as it was to a patriotic Brit and European. I speak as someone of Welsh heritage who has family there. Throwing out such nonsense just seeks to divide and other people. It's easier to convince yourself of the righteousness of a cause if you look down on people, see them as inferior or lacking something in some way rather than seeing them as people with a different point of view. I don't doubt you believe in your position, just as someone like say Liz Truss or Suella Braverman (extreme examples, I give you) would believe in theirs...it doesn't make it right though.

Just now, choffer said:

Being based "down-south" as we'd call it, I don't have a vote but I can be sure that as much as I'm notionally in favour of self-government for the motherland, the SNP do not reflect my views any more. 

You can be sure that there's a lot of people daan saaf that would jump at the chance to vote to break from the London shitshow. We're well on the way to becoming a city-state in all but name.

1 minute ago, Vancvillan said:

Unless Southgate is in contention.

That would be delicious.

At the mere mention of his name I bet they’re dusting off the green and yellow scarves and starting up Bayern-style petitions for Ten Haag to get another season.

2 points from Rotherham and Huddersfield has done for this lot. They need a lot to go right next week for them to stay up… and I’m **** loving it

26 minutes ago, thabucks said:

The premier league has exploded in terms of global reach and popularity since the Lerner era badge and to international fans and brands it is synonymous with AVFC. The new NSWE era badge is an evolution of that design - I’m sure someone in marketing and advertising can sum up better than I ever could why they’ve chosen to do this rather than a full new design.

I get why some don’t like it and prefer the nostalgic round badge but it has the lion the name and the year we were founded - it conveys what it’s supposed to and I hope upon launch we will hear more regarding the reasoning behind this design choice. I don’t think for a second it’s been done for egotistical reasons by Heck and if he truly believed the round badge which I’ve always thought was underwhelming was the right one to grow the brand moving forwards it would’ve stayed. 

Is it what I would have gone for? No, but I get what they've done and why.

The Heck hate is probably more of a consequence of him replacing Purslow, who I think was pretty universally respected, the North Stand cancellation which was pretty much his first act and cancelling the roll out of the new round badge going with a rebrand after the process was basically complete. Both the North Stand and the badge were very poorly communicated imo.

I didn't like the new round badge either. It was boring, unoriginal and lion is facing the wrong way for ridiculous reasons (apparently it's something to do with him moving forward, not back?).

I do think the new shirt deal is disappointing from a moral point of view. I don't think anyone wanted another betting company, but it's money and at the end of the day it'll be forgiven if we manage to kick on as a club. He's got double the money for it and it's being made by a proper company, not Castore who have frankly been an embarrassment.

The new investment hints at something big coming down the road which hopefully will generate a bit of positivity for him.

UN experts warning airlines not to take part in sending refugees to Rwanda regardless of the outcome of tonight as they'll be complicit in breaching human rights law. I'd love for someone to leak the names of these charters the government are keeping such a close secret.

Does this count as a new logo? 

13 minutes ago, Genie said:

Mark your calendars, one way flights to Rwanda will take off in 10-12 weeks according to Sunak.

Airfield booked. Planes booked. 500 staff trained to escort migrants all the way to Rwanda with another 300 being trained.

Insane amount of expense 

Another laughable "news conference" where the Prime Minister of the country rambles like a lunatic embarrassing himself and the nation. A "government" preoccupied with doing scummy and illegal things to a bunch of brown people while the rest of the country cumbles from underneath us all.

2 minutes ago, bobzy said:

The VAR was absolutely a Luton fan - it's widely reported which team each referee supports.

 

That said, I'm not entirely sure they'd be gunning for an Everton win?  Who knows.

Where is it? I'm sure there's an official register of this kind of stuff at the PGMOL but unless you're someone like Mike Dean who has been pictured at Tranmere games and was very open about it then it's all rumour about who supports who.

It's important that we know where these people's allegiances are though for us to trust the system.

Respectfully, I think whether we think the incidents are penalties or not isn't the issue. Or shall we say, it's half the issue. Forest have not accused the refs of 'just' getting the decisions wrong. I think we all agree that the standard of refereeing has been totally unacceptable for a lot of years now. They have accused a ref of being biased and what amounts to match-fixing. The statement also by extension accuses the league and the PGMOL of being complicit in it.

It's like our situation in the cup final against Man United in the cup final where we all looked at the ref that day and knew he had history of giving Man United some fairly contentious decisions previously. It's fine for fans to say these things, but for clubs to do it? They need to produce the evidence. If they think the VAR is a Luton fan then they need to produce the evidence of that. If he is, then I think you can definitely argue conflict of interest.

I’m not sure what they’re hoping to achieve by this.

How does a war between 2 countries that aren’t even neighbours work? There’s literally another two countries and hundreds of miles in between them and neither has the ability to launch amphibious invasions of the other so I don’t really get what a conventional war looks like here. Presumably they just lob bombs and missiles at each other but as history has taught us, that’s never enough to win a war outright.

1 hour ago, sidcow said:

So it appears Reform have dropped a candidate for the next GE because of a "lack of activity"

Normally you would say fair enough, good strategy.

It's a bit harsh though as he's dead.

If they’re referring to lack of brain activity they’d need to drop all their candidates.

2 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

the ESPN documentary captures something that the drama doesn't, they interview some of the jurors and at least one of them maybe 2 and its a woman i can remember and she says "I just wanted to go home" 

he got away with murder because the juror was fed up being locked up in a hotel room

 

I can't say I blame them tbh. The way they were treated was pretty disgraceful because they were all shit scared of a mistrial. It's one of those weird cases where you'd have been buzzing to get on that case but the reality of it must have been like a living nightmare.

I'm still amazed at how he got off but then you watch the documentaries that have been made and the fantastic People v OJ Simpson and you realise just how it happened. The racial climate of the time, the LAPD, the complete incompetance of the prosecutors and some very shady lawyering from the defence team that went very close to the line and in some cases danced across it.

Hell just isn't hot enough for "the Juice".

1 hour ago, sidcow said:

Someone on the new stadium thread had only just realised the North Stand was cancelled.  He'd completely missed it.

I still am shocked to the core that the only communication about this has been a throw away comment in one interview with the CEO.

You can argue all day about the rights and wrongs of the cancellation and the pro's and con's of  having Chris Heck, ruthless money chaser in charge of everything. But there is no argument that the communication surrounding the cancellation has been shambolic, embarrassing even.

Tbf it was on the site and in the local rags. Not to mention it's been done to death on here but hey, some people miss things.

What they haven't done is be transparent about the reasons why it's not happening and what they propose to do now. We all know we're at the end of what can realistically be done with the ground without knocking one of two of the existing stands down or planning for life after Villa Park. At the moment it seems to be "we'll tart the existing up and plough on for another x number of years" all while other rival clubs are busy making ambitious plans and executing them - by that I mean Everton, Newcastle etc, not the unwashed up the road who're busy selling their fans a fantasy.

3 minutes ago, LxYoungAVFC said:

Wait, did I miss something? The new North Stand cancelled?

Where have you been?

It was Purslows project. Heck came in and cancelled it for reasons that the club have never made clear.

14 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said:

777 is very unlikely to happen. Unless they find another buyer, administration might be the only option.

Administration will open them up to all kinds of Xia-level chancers.

It’s pretty fantastical to imagine that a club that’s been in the championship for years, possibly being relegated to league 1, who don’t seem able to put a decent product on the pitch, who made a catastrophic managerial appointment a couple of months ago, who can’t fill their current stadium and recently paid an enormous amount to get it repaired to a state where it can fully open will all of a sudden build a new 60k stadium.

Personally I’m all for it. Let them bankrupt themselves building it.

I bet you it never happens though.

2 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

Yes but The class thing is actually massively exaggerated. There was hardly any class discrimination when it came to escaping except the logistical point that first class passengers were closer to the deck so naturally got out faster. 
 

The only real discrimination was gender, because of the women and children first command. 
 

You were far more likely to survive if you were a woman in third class than if you were a man in first class

It also depended what side of the ship you were trying to get on a boat from.

One side of the ship was being loaded by Lightoller who essentially interpreted the “women and children” first order as “no men” and stuck to it so rigidly he let boats go with loads of empty seats rather than letting on men who were stood right there. The other side was being supervised by someone who would let men get on when he couldn’t see any more women and children to load.

I didn’t realise until listening to that rest is history podcast that lightoller was the basis for mark rylances character in Dunkirk. He captained his small boat over in 1940 to rescue soldiers from the beach. He was the highest ranking officer to get off the titanic. What a life.

21 minutes ago, blandy said:

You may not have heard of it, because it’s rare. But it’s also fact and reality. It’s happened multiple times and Prisons are usually the location, though not exclusively. People with todgers being put in women’s prisons because they either identified as women, or had been gender reassigned as women and then going on to sexually assault other prisoners.

That’s obviously a lamentable situation. I guess the question is how do you stop that and also stop completely innocent and decent trans people from being discriminated against or victimised.  There’s kind of 2 extreme camps (can I say camp?). One is shouting for the rights of Trans people trumping the rights of women born as women, and the other is shouting for the rights of born women trumping the rights of trans people. And then each calls the other haters and dangerous and evil and…so much noise, so little understanding.

Well people who are in prison are generally there because they aren't standup members of society so it shouldn't really be a surprise that when you put scummy people in jail they're going to do scummy things if the opportunity presents.

27 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

It’s part of the problem now that some people including some women feel like they are able to police what they perceive as their spaces. But how exactly is this going to be done, do the public have a right to see your genitalia if you’ve entered a women’s rest room and they suspect you are wearing a wig or are unusually tall?

Can I demand to see your cock if I suspect you might be a trans man and my son is in the building? 

The government involvement has been less than helpful, the spineless PM and the trouble making Badenoch with their flippant attitudes and their flippant comments on WC’s provision and access. Do we really think that a potential rapist is dissuaded from rape if a toilet has a lady symbol on the door? But would commit rape if there is a unisex facility? It’s a level of debate that is deliberately pathetic. 

Well definitely a sexual offender will find a way to offend regardless and tbh I've never heard of anyone actually exploiting this as a way to get into a womens space in order to offend which is why it's a paper argument not anything grounded in reality. It's about fear and anxiety rather than anything else, but that fear and anxiety is real, even if it's baseless.