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18 minutes ago, bobzy said:

I hate the comparisons to rugby, I really do. It’s an entirely different sport with entirely different phases of play. 

True but is it too much to ask that the referee take charge of all the officials and those officials talk to each other clearly and professionally!?

1 minute ago, tomav84 said:

if i can make a case for the defence, the time taken to make decisions has frequently been a stick to beat them with. whilst i'm not surprised by the dialogue, it was very noticable how quickly they were trying to get the decision made, and i expect there's been feedback that decisions are taking too long

i'm not excusing it. it was a **** up, no doubt. but in trying to make things quicker, they've got a decision wrong

Oh definitely. There’s been criticism of how long it takes when the decision seemed to be pretty obvious but I think this will be a real turning point for how we all look at VAR. If they need more time to ensure the correct decisions get made then I think that’s a trade off we’ll all accept.

Part of my criticism with the speed of the decision making was also around time keeping where they weren’t adding on the time correctly at the end of the game. Personally I’d like to see the clock stop for VAR.

On 28/09/2023 at 21:43, Chindie said:

He's also great in underrated modern Western Open Range. It's a small role and hardly nuanced but he has a riot chewing the scenery as 'Oirish' rancher.

Really enjoyed that film and a really great cast too. Kevin Costner, Robert Duvall, Annette Benning, Diego Luna and as you say, Gambon with the worlds worst Irish accent but you can forgive it because he's just such an outlandish character that you wish he was onscreen more.

2 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

I very much doubt PGMOL are seeing a penny of it, the refs will be doing and earning the money themselves.

The trouble PGMOL have is that they need to pretend to believe that Newcastle and Man City aren't state owned which makes the conflict of interest tricky to pursue, and relying on the "fatigue" justification doesn't always cut out the possibility of the refs moonlighting when they don't have a PL game at the weekend.

I'm not sure. There's surely a clause in their contracts that says they can't take on refereeing work they've not sanctioned.

When have you ever known something involving the Saudi's where money wasn't involved?

5 minutes ago, MrBlack said:

As had been said,  rugby implemented it in a way that the ref asks the var whether there is any reason not to award a try. It makes the ask specific. The response confirms several times what the ref can do, then the ref confirms what he is doing. Its so clear that the odds of them making the wrong call after interpreting what has happened correctly are zero.

Football were late to the party but decided they wanted to learn from their own mistakes rather than copying the learnings already made. Well they've made their mistakes now,  perhaps they can accept they've got it wrong and go back to the drawing board.

Liverpool thinking they have any grounds to overturn the result is amusing,  they'll not got anywhere banging that drum.

It's bad, but it's not the first goal that's been incorrectly ruled out or given even this season, and won't be the last. 

Yeah I'm not sure what they're hoping to achieve with their statement. They'd have done better calling for a better implementation of VAR in the future but it reads like a child kicking off at their under 11s game.

They've got to be willing to learn from the mistakes but the pace of change in football has been so glacially slow and the lack of transparency over decades has been so absent it's bordering on suspicious...I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist but they've fed the fire of those who say that there's other forces at work.

4 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

I guess it didnt help that the VAR referees came back from refereeing in the Saudi pro league the day before. I mean who the f*** sanctioned that???

The accountants at PGMOL

We need to hear the discussions in real time. There's no reason not to do it other than to shield the bad referees from any criticism of their flawed decision-making.

If they did that we'd all know who the shit refs were before they ended up making a catastrophic error and there'd be an incentive to do something about it and improve the situation. We'd all see how they got to the decisions they've made and then you can discuss the refs who clearly don't know what they're doing.

FWIW the problem at the weekend is only 50% human error...The other 50% is purely a process problem. They've gone too far in telling the refs when they can use VAR and not, what it can be used for and even going as far as telling them the words they can use "check complete etc"...a 10 second conversation should have sorted that situation out "oh I thought the onfield decision was goal, in that case...." but they aren't allowed to have proper discussions and actually get to the right of a situation. It's all built around trying not to undermine the onfield refs authority, not re-referee the game, not slow down the game and not take any accountability rather than actually trying to get the correct decisions.

1 hour ago, TheStagMan said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66932993

 

Reported on BBC sport. 

 

Our shirts are an utter joke. No idea how it hasn't been fixed by now. 

I don’t know how it was allowed to happen in the first place tbh.

in an age of sports science and with all the emphasis in all sport where you try and achieve marginal gains through technology wherever possible for this to happen is a complete disgrace.

Castore have compromised the players performance and embarrassed the club. We should end the relationship immediately and lawyer up.

I wonder if they could just ditch and use last years shirts and sue the arse off Castore.

Really happy with the start to this season. 2 points per game is a really good average for where we are right now, especially with the injuries we've sustained.

Attack and Midfield I have no doubts that we'll be a force for pretty much everyone except maybe City, Arsenal and Liverpool this season. I do have concerns about us defensively and especially the number of chances per game we seem to concede which is partly down to this aggressive high line we play. I think CL might be beyond us this season but we should certainly be in the mix for 5-7. Whatever happens this year the way we play is really entertaining and unpredictable.

The difficulty I have is that while the accusers have the right to go to the police and for what are very valid and understandable reasons to seek justice they’ve chosen not to do so. What instead has happened is that Brand has been named in the media and is being judged in the court of public opinion. He’s not been afforded the anonymity his accusers have and his career is now probably over. That’s not justice. I don’t think channel 4 should have aired this (at least not with the Brands name) unless the women were willing to go to the police first. I hope that we now see some kind of police investigation of this but it feels the wrong way round to me.

Fwiw I do believe their accusations. I’ve never liked brand and his kind of disgusting, unfunny and pretty disrespectful routines about sex and treatment of women. I definitely think he’s “the type” who wouldn’t take no for an answer.

He’s also a massive idiot who’s definitely not as intelligent as he thinks and we’re all told he is, as evidenced by his ridiculous social media conspiracy theorists nonesense.

Up until this point the one thing you could really praise Southgate for has been his handling of the media but he's read this so wrong.

The way he's coming across with the handling of the Maguire (and to a lesser extent the Phillips) situation is looking like gaslighting. These players clearly aren't worthy of a place in the squad. They aren't the best players available, they aren't in form, they can't be match fit, they don't play enough football. Certainly in the case of Maguire I "get it" from Southgate's perspective. They've been together a long time and from his side Maguire hasn't ever "let him down" and there's an element of loyalty. However, if Southgate really wants to be a top manager he needs to get over this. Wenger didn't show any loyalty to Viera when he decided his time was done. Ferguson did it multiple times. Pep certainly hasn't.

I thought Dunk looked excellent last night and when Stones is fit those 2 should definitely be the partnership.

Obvious red card for basically exactly the same thing as last night but of course there’s no action taken. England definitely being judged by different criteria at the moment. Reputation which has been entirely earned through some pretty poor discipline in recent times but it’s frustrating nonetheless.

2 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said:

That’s the problem , our too hot is someone else’s nice and cool . Remember going to turkey about 12 years ago and it was around 26-28 and the locals had jumpers on because they thought it was a bit chilly .

Had the same in Florida in late October. Mid twenties kind of heat so was just about comfortable in shorts and T-shirt but the locals were in sweaters and complaining how cold it was. Mental what people get used to.

The heat in this country just hits different though. Our buildings aren’t designed with it and the lack of air con is the main thing here. Took a drive earlier and had the air con turned up and when I got out I got that heat blast you get when you’re abroad…was delightful.

28 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

I still dont understand how taking £12.50 a day off the poorest and small  businesses who have vans saves london lives?

It just **** them over financially 

Any seen how expensive it is to get cars at the moment?

I agree the whole thing is such a con. If it was really about the environment they'd just straight up ban those cars not introduce a charge for it.

16 minutes ago, bickster said:

In this instance it's anything to stop the schools falling down. They are busy trying to forget boats unfortunately for them, the media haven't forgotten boats

Or the brown people in them but they've worked out you can't be racist against a boat, just it's occupants.

2 minutes ago, Oaks said:

Kicking the can down the road and concentrating on getting reelected isn't just this terms issue its been an issue really since Thatcher if now longer.

I'm not sure I necessarily agree that this is precisely what's happened.

Not all problems have to be solved in their entirity over the life of a single government as long as there's a pathway to it being dealt with in sufficient time. Hypothetically (and I'm not saying this happened because I don't know) a Tory government in 1995 identifies a problem with 1000 schools and decides to fix 50 schools a year for 20 years, presumably having taken advice that the stuff is safe to wait that long in the most extreme case, Labour comes in in 97 and continues at that pace, but billy bob bellend Osborne and his lot come in 2010 and decide that on a purely financial basis to cut all the work. So who's fault is it? It's a problem that predates Sunak but that's really not an excuse is it?

1 minute ago, bickster said:

Sorry, also this bit from the above Wiki

So it's not the concrete itself but inadequate maintenance caused by... yep, budget cuts.

 

That's the Sunak way really, isn't it? What's a budget for if not to be cut?

5 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

You’d have to wonder, if we’ve known about this since either 2022, or possibly 2018, and some suggest 2017… why they stopped using the product in the 1990’s.

I guess it must have just sort of went out of fashion. Like asbestos.

Because (as I understand it) in the 1990s the substance had already been in use for 30-40 years so the very earliest generations started to show signs of deterioration and subsequently it stopped being used for new construction with the understanding that the existing stuff would be removed but (in fairness to the Tories) successive governments failed to get all of it out and now we've run out of road. That's the bit that's generous to the Tories. The non-generous bit is that there was a plan to refurb a bunch of schools but Tories gonna Tory, so they'd rather give it the money to people like Michelle Mone who, lets face it, deserve it way more.

Hell no. Seen him play for spurs and was not impressed at all.

18 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Hate these clearings in the woods who are going on strike, no sympathy at all and buying clubs should really be wary

Any player going on strike should be banned for the season

Got to be some way to stop paying them while they’re refusing to be footballers

The man is clearly an elite tier manager. Needs to be backed by the owners the way they have so far and he will definitely deliver top 4 and a trophy.

I assume there’s more completely batshit stuff in there but the clip I saw of dorries I kinda agreed with her…and now I feel unclean.

Basically that Sunak has no democratic mandate and hasn’t been elected by anyone, including the Tory membership. He’s basically a lame duck until he goes and gets some kind of mandate from the British people for his (pathetic) agenda.

The fact it’s come from Dorries, who has completely shat all over the principles of our democracy by leaving her constituents unrepresented for months does seem to dilute the message somewhat!

3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Absolutely mental statement for them to release.

I could understand if they were keeping him why they'd say stuff like that.

But if you're getting rid of him anyway then just state the bare minimum. 

 

"Whilst Greenwood hasn't been found guilty of any charges, all parties feel it's best that his future lies away from old Trafford"

Done

I would guess that it's an attempt to maintain any value he has left.