TRO

I agree. The club do have to be careful, how they word things, but we need to know the truth. nothing personal, but i have never been his greatest fan.I don't think he has been as interested in Villa as much as he has in his own career.I think he has a bit of a mercenary tendency.He never adopted the club for me in the same way as say mellberg or Laursen. I still don't think see him as a central midfielder either... industrious wanderer for me rather than a disciplined fixture..... I think that was instrumental in helping to expose Dunne/Collins. Ps... smacks of Steve Hodge all over again... for those who remember that little runt.

Come on TRO. Spill the beans lad. You can't say that and leave us. It was a slanging match. but you have to be careful what you say on here....people can get in to trouble. I personally will be glad, when the deal is done and get on with the future. we need to get back to the business of signing players again and get off the back foot and on to the front foot. Ps you either believe what folk say or you don't , you can't have the stamp of runnymead on it. I have little sympathy with O'Neill he is putting his faith in the wrong players and they are shitting on him. Barry & Milner have snubbed him after he has been instrumental in improving their careers. Is he surprised a good player in Luke young has turned on him....he needs to get to know his real people.

....was it gregory who said about yorke " if i had a gun i would shoot him" I would suspect that is currently going through Martins head regarding Milner. I suspect we will be better without Milner...don't rate him a highly as you lot...decent ,but thats all for me. I happen to remember Gray, Deehan & Gidman going in the same season. we signed withe, swain and a few others and went on to make history. Ps its not about who you lose.....more importantly its who you have your eye on to bring in.

..The talks with Milner were NOT amicable.

I would like to see us improve the overall ability of our football and win matches more convincingly. I'm looking for a more cohesive unit in defence and attack.I want to see good positional sense in defence and cut out the school boy errors, by synchronised movement. I want to see more goals from open play and dispense with the reliance so heavily on set pieces.I want to see intelligence employed in offensive movement. then and only then will i be looking for trophies.

I don't think the issues at B6 ..are too much more than that.

Please stop the giant quotes. but he does want to leave and in my humble opinion has always had one eye on doing so.....despite the villa park adulation. I'm refering to Martin wanting to force it through, after he is certain Milner wants to go. you know a little bit like on here where folk get positive with the inevitable. you wait and see how many milner fans now turn and declare hime the biggest shit under the sun after a few weeks ago wanting his babies.

Trouble is the bus can't move.....there is too many players under it.

Barry spoke out to try and force villa to sell him to liverpool for a lower fee. You think thats the same as what MON is doing? You think Barry had villa's best interests in mind when he gave his interview? Pretty pointless discussion if you think those two things are the same. So how can you be so sure Mon isn't trying to force the sale through himself....jockeying for the best price. If I had of bought some of the dross he has, I would be pretty interested in raising some doe to get me out of the mess....because RL has made it clear- sort it out yourself. In my view.... James Milner is Mons get out of jail card.

fil the ground with them, i won't be there this season.

He should'nt have to be told, it should be obvious.

love football...hate footballers Look seriously, they all want to go where the good ones are. you have to convince them that thats what your all about. if not.........MEDIOCRE HERE WE COME.

I have never had any doubt about Milner or his intentions...and if you have any doubts about my stance check my previous posts. ...A steve Hodge for me used Villa a stepping stone and thats all he seen us as. fair play to him, but i simply don't rate him as some of you do on here now if it was David Platt, Dwight yorke or Brian Little leaving I could understand the disappointment. If the money is spent wisely.....(fur rabbits foot tightly in hand) we will be better off. probably 10mill for Keane and 10 mill for Parker....that just about spunks it away nicely.

I don't think we will improve to that extent.

stop dithering, make your mind up.

...on our arses. Thought i would just say that to balance out any high expectation.

That is a very feasible theory.....I don't know if you are right or wrong, but it is a buyable thought. If it is true maybe somewhere along the line Martin O'Neill could come clean on it after all isn't it a bit of truth we are all a bit suseptible and warm to.

I don't doubt some of the adverse comments about Nigels individual skill have merit....its his effect on all the other performances in the team that impress me, as Barry says he gives us Balance....and allows the more gifted performers like Petrov the freedom to be released from the holding role.

...well spotted that man spot on.

I would go along with most of that except Makelele when he was playing and Essien ain't just good they were/are amongst the worlds best at what they do. .....its a bit like comparing ashley Young with Ronaldo. I wouldn't replace Petrov with NRC I would play them together....Petrov does have the more footballing brain and he is a "pick pocket" rather than a ball winner.... but hey midfield is almost always villa fans point of debate.

so don't respond, no one is standing over you forcing you to type. i think he's a valuable member of our squad.

It's based on stats in part, and watching him in part, and his own beliefs of himself somewhat. I really cannot be arsed to go over it (again) in any detail, but his passing is pretty naff, his touch awful, can't run on the ball despite regularly trying, his tackling is good but it's no good only having that to your bow, and for all his effort and 'trying hard' he actually does **** all. And this from a bloke who thinks he's a box to box mid. For all the criticism Petrov's ever got, he does everything NRC does, and can actually play football too. NRC has served his purpose, I thank him for that, move him on to the likes of Stoke or whoever will buy him. I'm also frankly fed up that such a mediocre player has such a wealth of time spent mithering over him. Rather like the talk of Gareth Barry once he'd left, I'm hoping we can consign wasting the effort over him to the past, sharpish. Now lets never speak of him again. you really do have thing about NRC to the point that i think your appraisal is funadamentally flawed. i could disagree with the degree of your criticism on every score......its downright personal in my view. that post is sad and your last line supports it. ps ... but you are funny.

I'm alluding to your argument being absolutely without point when referring to 'He'd be the first name on the teamsheet with Ron Saunders'. It means nothing. You use it to justify your position on NRC's use to the side, but it does nothing of the sort. Just because he'd be the first name on the sheet for Saunders doesn't mean a thing to todays MON, 2010 side. It's utterly irrelevant. It's no different to the Hitler fallacy, as I alluded to. Chindie lighten up, of couse it means something.....This site is all about opinions and some we agree with and some we don't. it is well documented you don't agree with mine and i don't agree with some of yours/some i do. Looking at High energy players like Bremner and Carradus who Ron drooled on with his famous 110% effort....Nigel is from a similar stable. even if I am the only one that believes it it means something to me. so at least there is one poster on here that it does mean some thing to.

I like NRC and I would like him to stay with us but I do not buy into him being this incredible 'destroyer'. For 1 I think that speciality position is overhyped and not good for a team like ours who cannot just rely on our attacking players to score goals, we need all 11 players contributing in all areas, obviously some more than others but NRC contribution for us ranges from little to negative and this is counter productive to our side. So if the first name is a designated 'destroyer' I will always disagree. We need a midfield that can play, perhaps he could work in a 5 man midfield but in a 442 we cannot afford 1 less player when we are in possession. Just to reiterate he is a good player who can do a job for us but promoting him to a guaranteed starter would be a huge mistake. All imo of course. well bearing in mind its all opinions and that is the fascination. but let me remind you " Incredible" was your word and your interpretation. We all have our opinions on what line ups should be....and in over 70 years we have won the league title once ( not checked the dates so don't be pedantic)...when we did we played with an out and out Ball Winner, who wasn't blessed with the silky skills, so many crave on here. I'd risk giving that a try again.... even if it was simply to give it a try. If we can go 15 games winning 2 with a player that was saying he wants out..... surely we can give that a try with a player that wants to stay and fight for his place. what messages are we sending out? I am under the impression that you think Bremner was a great player so that is where I got the word incredible from. Football has changed a lot and I think if you are going to play with 2 in midfield then they have to do more than just tackle. As I said maybe in a central 3 but he leaves too big gaps for my liking in a 2. I'm all for giving things a go, I think it is in our best interests to be able to use a few different formations and personnel. This is why I would like NRC to stay. Gabby, honestly i appreciate your comments. One of the reasons I feel passionately about NRC's game is this and beleive me I do understand about folk's opinions of his shortfall in passing ability ..except a) I think it is overplayed and exagerrated & for the value that the player brings it can be negated. back to the issue I used to go in to the Aston Social all them years ago. with a dour view on Des Bremner.... waxing Lyrical about Morley,Shaw Cowans and Bremner....talking in to night about Peter withes goals....Jimmy Rimmer was the best i ever seen and so on. It took me years, sorry to admit this....to realise the value of Des Bremner, I feel humbled at the fact whan i was in my thirties I thought I knew what I was watching....Des Bremner created the platform for the other to play in. I don't want to go overboard on NRC'S value, because I simply know it is unlikely it will be recognised. all I'm saying is that Nigel's value to the team far outweighs his personal skill factor.....Like Des he is far more valuable than his individual performances suggest. ps ...selling him will be a big mistake.

Why ? What's he said? He hasn't said anything.....I just don't rate him in the same class as most Villa Fans