Jareth

Just now, magnkarl said:

If a group of demonstrators can't handle a Jew without Israeli flags or anything else going through their protest he's proving his point completely. Do you not get that?

They didn't meet - the police did their job - and on the back of that there was a campaign to get the head of the met sacked. 

26 minutes ago, bickster said:

Falter leads a group of political activists founded as a result of the rise in antisemitism in the UK brought about by the 2014 Israel Gaza conflict.

You see the difference between mine and yours? They campaign on AS not Israel you have to take that at face value unless you have proof otherwise and you don’t. 
Yes he clearly is “Team Israel” as you put it but that does not make what you’ve said any less anti-Semitic.

His actions that day were in support of his perceived right as a Jew to walk through a pro-Palestine March. He was wrong, he didn’t have that right. I’m completely inside with the Policeman’s actions but he wasn’t attempting to walk through that crowd with an Israeli flag, he was attempting to walk through that crowd as an obviously identifiable Jew to stoke up tension and cause conflict, no doubts about it but It was as a Jew not an Israeli or a pro-Israeli supporter

It really is simple but you don’t ever seem to get it

I think the word the policeman used was 'disingenuous' to describe Falter's actions. He was not casually on his way somewhere, he was there to provoke conflict and had been lingering for some time. It is quite a remarkable coincidence that he is also a professional, long standing political activist. I don't choose to afford him, 'his' version of events, at all. But we differ. 

17 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

Is it? Who started the most recent set of hostilities? Who started it in 1948, in 1967, in 1982, in the first and second intifadas, in the 2008, 2014 and 2024 Gaza wars? This constant whitewash of what Palestinian organisations (Hamas, Black September, PLO, Fatah, PIJ or even worse, Hezbollah and Iran's other proxy groups who are pillaging through Syria and Iraq with large parts Palestinian fighters) have done over the last 80 years is one of the things that keeps this spiral of violence going. Israel is the only nation on earth that is held accountable for winning defensive wars, and then get pressured to release the territories they won when other nations attacked them. 

Remove Israel completely, and you've still got a Palestinian people that have attacked Jordan, killed 20.000 people in the Lebanese civil war, performed attacks on the Olympics, on Egypt, on the Jordanian king, taken part in much bloodier conflicts than the current Gaza war in Syria on the side of horrible dictators and so on. The Palestinian backers really need to start looking in the mirror and start holding the Palestinians accountable for their actions, just like we as the West need to hold Israel accountable. Neither people are children, yet only one of them are actually encouraged to stop the spiral and it ain't Palestine. Palestine has a whole under-set of supporters in the West who run around the streets calling for Intifada and for the whole territory between the river Jordan and the Med to be free of the Jewish state.

Ah, you invaded another country, blew people up, enacted horrible Islamic coups in Lebanon and attempted the same in Jordan - but you can't help it, you're just a people without any sort of accountability because of Israel. Here, have your own UN-organisation, billions and billions of aid to enrich your politicians and make rockets from. We won't say a word about it because Israel. Imagine what the Kurdish diaspora could do with the sort of aid that we're giving Palestine, they've actually got a democracy and are being purged by most of the countries they're in.

I take everything you say on board. But I'm Irish and I agree with the Irish leaders on the current situation. 

1 hour ago, magnkarl said:

What I don't get Jareth, is this constant urge to explain everything Palestine does on Israel yet when it comes to the other way there's very little reflection of why Israel is behaving the way it is. As Pro-Palestinians often say 'The world didn't start on October 7th', the same should be applied to this little girl. She's part of a population that have also contributed massively to the issues they find themselves in, be that by electing people who are so obviously corrupt that it's appalling, furthering issues in states like Jordan, Egypt and Lebanon or simply not wanting to change.

How many wars did Palestinian organisations start, urge Arab nations to start, or contribute heavily to the start of?

Obviously the little girl isn't to blame for any of that, but it's about time Palestinians and their backers start looking at ways to move forward. Just like it is for Israel. The world isn't as black/white as you seem to think it is.

Why is it, you think, such little willingness to contribute to betterment for the Palestinian people not just in Israel, but in Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman and Turkey? Why is the UN so terribly ineffective at helping the people of Palestine, rather than just propping up an aid-dependent state with very little to show for in the way of anything, except for Islamic extremism and corruption?

I was gutted to hear that you have suffered abuse during the fallout from the Hamas attack - that's not where I am on this. If I point the finger I point it on the crime committed - I believe Israel is responsible for the overwhelming, criminal suffering of the Palestinians - because it is lead by religious, far right supremacists who do not value their lives, at all. Throw in the recent execution of British ex military aid workers - let alone journalists, or human rights campaigners over the years. It is black and white sometimes - it really is. 

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What is CAA, the group headed by campaigner in Met police antisemitism row?

Campaign Against Antisemitism, led by Gideon Falter, was set up by activists who felt existing groups were not doing enough

• Home Office considered antisemitism campaigner for counter-extremism unit

 

Who is the Campaign Against Antisemitism?

The group, which is led by Gideon Falter, was founded in response to the 2014 Israel-Gaza offensive, by a group of activists concerned about rising antisemitism and who believed some Jewish communal organisations such as the Board of Deputies were not doing enough to robustly combat antisemitism at protests and in the media.

 

Its first protest was against the Tricycle Theatre in London, which had cancelled hosting the UK Jewish film festival while it was partly funded by the Israeli embassy, though the theatre had initially offered to find alternative funding.

 

Israeli politics threatens to drag us into a world war - we have already defended Israel militarily - when do we call in this favour? An Israeli provocateur tried to get the Met police chief fired by provoking a situation during a palestinian supporting march, whether folks see it or not but Israel has via political lobbyists or via stunts, is setting the narrative.

A little girl died today from heat exhaustion, in Gaza. Had she a hospital to attend she may still be alive. Every single death is a tragedy, and there is only one hawkish country responsible. Israel. 

Brits are gonna drive the aid down the new Gaza pier, apparently they will be a target for Hamas. It’s the IDF they should be watching closely. 

Yeah - a win tonight vindicates the Arsenal result - we have to make it count 

47 minutes ago, MWARLEY2 said:

By the end of the game he didnt want to know and seemed to have gone into himself . 

I think most died in the wool tories will be quite terrified by this, because it kicks off a new government term with a nationalisation project front and centre, and one which isn't scaring the masses. They'll fear creeping national permission for similar ideas.

Good idea - let them have prawn sandwiches!

Can't help but think the club crest and brand identity is getting a little mixed up with self identity - it's natural with fandom.

Liverpool have been making shed loads of chances, just not putting them away, it'll click again and soon.

It's a matter of presentation, just need to launch the new badge in the style of the Davenports girl

What is it with bald european managers - Slot's a ten Hag regen, hopefully with the same result

1 hour ago, foreveryoung said:

Bet on Jackson to score. 

He's bad

Pep could not do what Unai has done, it would not be the correct project for that manager. Can Unai do what Pep has done? Undoubtedly.

56 minutes ago, Pinebro said:

With Klopp leaving Emery will be the 2nd best manager in the league.

What Steve Bruce is coming back to the prem?

1 hour ago, Lord Willard said:

Monorail*

TRAVELATOR

I'd quite like this nationalising policy. if it wasn't already deemed to be an entirely safe thing to say with a full spreadsheet of rebuttal lines to tory attacks based on the fact that the tories were also offering it. But I'll snaffle anything along these lines. Let's do water companies next.

3 minutes ago, punkiller1981 said:

A tram extension would do. Having watched baseball in San Francisco and Chicago both places had metro stations outside the ground and had multiple trains lined up for the end of the game to get people back to the main city areas 

I quite like the idea of a dedicated tuk tuk lane 

VP simply needs a travelator from the city centre

Heck rocks.

1 hour ago, Captain_Townsend said:

My partner sure hasn't fallen in love with us despite my best efforts!!

You mean the warts and aids isn't infectious enough for her?