nick76

i think a lot of people are forgetting that he actually wanted to be in charge of villa

and? What has that got to do with it, just because you want something doesn't mean you are god enough for it. I wanted to be the next Villa manager, does that mean when Alex is fired I will get the job

I'll answer happily.

I think the abuse AM has recieved is pathetic. I think that the attitude of some fans on here is pathetic. The real reason people have a problem with AM is that he used to manage the Blues. His style of football is workmanlike but do you know what.... I'm not sure how else we are supposed to play having sold Downing and Young over the summer.

I think AM needs to be given time to put HIS mark on the team and that will take 2 years, especially with the spending restrictions he is subject to.

I think that posters who resort to "what a clearing in the woods" "Ginger word removed" and other arguements devoid of reasoning or sense need to have a word with themselves.

I appreciate I am in the minority but do you know what, I like the guy... and I really hope he succeeds.

thanks good reply. I would ask a question though, why do you think people like me don't like him mainly because he managed the blues. I admit I hate the blues, but his being a blues manager previously has absolutely no bearing on how I feel about him now. In stark contrast I would love him to be successful just so I can turn around to my blue nose mates and gloat that we pinched a great thing from them who will be a legend at our club. So if anything him being at blues and we pinching him I want him to succeed to rub it in my mates faces. Failure they can just say they sold us a lemon. Surely that makes more sense than me wanting him to fail.

His record is my issue, how his teams play, he is unimagative, he makes constant errors, he can't react when other manages do, he's not fixing problems that are happening over and over again, international players don't seem to know what to do, tactics seem one dimensional at best and can't change, his excuses are pitiful and we generally 9 times out of 10 look the poorer team in games......that's my reasoning and that's why I want him gone now. I want to build on a team with a manager over the next 5 to 10 years as we go through this phase we are in with money restrictions.

We, as fans, need to believe in a manager that can do that but with McLeish we can't and the fans seem to be agreeing with me....low crowds, booing at games, forums in meltdown and media commenting.....it's so detrimental to the club that it has to change now or more likely the summer so this club can consolidate and build for the future. McLeish is not the answer and will never be because too many people don't think he's good enough and he isn't, I'm not backing a manager just because I hear the term we need to get behind him....getting behind the wrong person is just foolish. If there is a problem you fix it and move on, we have a problem and it needs fixing before we can move on.

So the comments following brummyblokes message are not replying or debating his points but focusing on the acronyms of GC......just as brummyblokes says, you avoid answering....

I'm officially supporting McLeish now.

let's face it, the squad was already on the slide when MON left.

Three managers and an asset stripping later, McLeish has to play percentages and keep us up.

Basically Ugly football.

He is blooding the youngsters, dropping the none performing big signings... He is my type of bloke.

Most of all he is building the team into his own without changing the names much.

So I'm 100% certain we will be much better by the end of the season and will stay up.

McLiesh will be here for a long time....

he's far from my type of bloke. A yes man, with very little managerial talent at this level, unimaginative, doesn't see errors, can't react when other managers react, can't man manage, can't motivate and has poor tactical knowledge. No, nope not my type of bloke. No support from me.

Nope I want him gone. Yes he is our manager but I personally want that change. I don't want to wait until as you say 'starts doing a shit job' as although you don't agree I think that's what he is doing given the squad he has now. I don't want to wait until we are down by the bottom three when it maybe too late, I want to fix it now so we can build for the future and give somebody five and hopefully ten years to build this club. Apart from that, I can count on one hand the number of games I've enjoyed watching this season. I don't expect free flowing football but this is the first season I've had to make myself watch almost every game.....

Hands up who wouldve picked that substitution at half time??? even if Gabby was injured who wouldve picked Warnock to replace him

F#ck me Warnock is on...........what planet is McLeish on

bring on cuellar and bring on bannan for hutton and keane play gabby and bent up top and we'll look a better side

if we had a decent left back i'd say bring him on but we havent...

I was trying to think what I'd like to happen at half time and this is seems like the right idea....still worried on Albrighton, just doesnt look right.

bring on cuellar and bring on bannan for hutton and keane play gabby and bent up top and we'll look a better side

if we had a decent left back i'd say bring him on but we havent...

I was trying to think what I'd like to happen at half time and this is seems like the right idea....still worried on Albrighton, just doesnt look right.

Is it McLeish law that we can't play more then 2 passes along the ground in a row. Absolutely no passion, no shape and he's done nothing about it on the touchline.

Absolutle joke, get this fraudster out now we're getting worse by the week and I am really starting to fear for us, despite laughing off the possibility of relegation a month or two ago.

He's looked pretty vocal on the touchline. Then again, I tend to focus on the play at hand. We passed it around well in the opening 15 minutes. So you're wrong there.

What happened for the next 30 minutes we could be 4 or 5 down. Wolves went 1 down and the players responded and it hasn't stopped. We're now in the losing position and it doesn't look like it's gonna change.

spot on

How the **** do Albrighton and Gardener get games ahead of Bannan. :?

because Bannan isnt all that

I'm still firmly in the McLeish Out camp! Chelsea game was a big positive, there was many things I can still point to why he should go, Chelsea were poor and recent results for them have shown that BUT for the first time in only about the second full game from memory of this season I was not thinking of other things to do while watching the game. I was not depressed watching the game....frustrated at times, yes....but a bit of entertainment and more surprisingly a lot of that was due to Ireland, who I have considered one of the biggest waste of spaces in the past.

One game doesn't change my opinion and given who was out I wonder if it had been the same if those individuals were fit but that is just me being pessimistic. Let's start seeing this kind of performance consistently please....

During Martin O'Neills 3rd season we were above 6th 34 times in the season.... do opposition teams talk about our decline or us being poor when they beat us.... not bloody likely.

They just wallow in the glory of the win

It is our business to go out and beat the opposition it is not for us to busy ourselves worrying about why the opposition let us beat them or what problems they have today

This game we are all involved in can't be " heads you lose tails you lose"

I couldn't give a flying toss whether Chelsea have their youth team out and we beat them.....its their call.

PS Chelsea are now in transition..........so are we.

I meant who was out for us I.e. Heskey

£24 mill for bent, id snatch liverpools hands off, given the way we've set up lately in our improved performances, Bent simply doesn't fit in.

With £24 mill I'd bid for Steven Fletcher/dembele to rotate with Gab, Scott Sinclair to provide competition on the flanks and finally Clint Dempsey to revamped our midfield.

We desperately need investment and I would blame Mcleish for taking that amount of money.

Sorry but I completely disagree with this. We should be building a team around Bent. We finally have a goalscorer at the club and you want to ship him off because of how we are set up. You then want to replace him with a number of players that aren't different to what we have in the club......makes no sense to me. Losing Bent would be a major setback for us in my opinion...

I'm still firmly in the McLeish Out camp! Chelsea game was a big positive, there was many things I can still point to why he should go, Chelsea were poor and recent results for them have shown that BUT for the first time in only about the second full game from memory of this season I was not thinking of other things to do while watching the game. I was not depressed watching the game....frustrated at times, yes....but a bit of entertainment and more surprisingly a lot of that was due to Ireland, who I have considered one of the biggest waste of spaces in the past.

One game doesn't change my opinion and given who was out I wonder if it had been the same if those individuals were fit but that is just me being pessimistic. Let's start seeing this kind of performance consistently please....

In 35 years, I have never been so apathetic towards the club. It is part of my life and indoctrinated into my kids lives too.

Now, I cant be bothered to go to VP, I am not that interested if we win as it means that for just a few minutes it will make PF feel like he is a tactical genius to appoint McLeish, if we lose, I am not bothered as its sort of expected with McLeish in charge. My kids didnt get the kit this year, as not really bothered and to be honest, they dont want to be Villa on FIFA 12 anymore, they want to Barcelona or Madrid.

Totally apathetic and that is depressing in itself.

sums up my feelings exactly

If we can't create chances against an out of form Stoke side where are we going to get three points?

i think Stoke have won or are unbeaten in 6 games in a row so harsh to say out of form

Am not saying Eck is Mourinho but being criticized for not winning at Stoke is harsh considering MON never won there

Yeah but I think the point some are trying to make and that I am putting forward is this is a consistent problem across our season, we cant create chances.

A draw at Stoke as an isolated result is a good result but given how we have played this season as a whole, the fact that we dont create chances, the fact our best striker (who yes wasnt available today) has the least amount of touches in the premiership, our defence that has been leaking goals, we cant defend set pieces, our midfield gets run over most games, our new star signing in N'Zogbia is really struggling to settle, our captain struggles after 60 minutes in most games, our manager who has limited tactics (that's me being polite) and keeps saying after games that we played well (WTF) then peoples views are coming from half a season of football not really Stoke in isolation..........

I didnt think he had a good game last night, it was average at best

Our players looked fecked has Bannan been abducted???

still dont get the fuss over Bannan....great on a highlights clip but not much else. Doesn't offer enough for a regular place at the moment

F#ckin amateur hour (+30 mins)........

Better performance but still too many issues, McLeish has to go!!!!

Dembele is a great player would love him here. As for Dembele + cash for Bent, hell yeah.

hell no! why we would even consider letting BEnt go in the first place is beyond me anyway

Just bored, just shite and I'm not ripping my hair out or emotionally disheartened which scares me more.....I expected it before the game which I hate

Still don't really see why he's rated so highly by many.

I completely agree. A few good passes here or there but I haven't anything else to get me excited by him, certainly have never thought he's the future of our midfield. My view seems to be in the minority, I just don't see what everybody else seems to see in him

I know, I know, but once in a while I have to bite just to vent some frustration...........I know he's a bluenose, and it frustates me more that I do respond once in a while

What a load of **** shit!

I'm a bluenose because i wont jump on the band wagon that Lerner is this god awful terrible owner.

Nobody can seem to answer me why he wasn't a terrible owner when he was spending bucket loads and we had MON along with contributing to improving the infrastructure?

This thread and all the other bollocks spouting ones didn't exist then, why not; if he is this awful terrible owner?

Are we threatened with going completely out of business, to be a football club at all; because the way some folk are acting we are, its that bad apparently!

Then all of a sudden Villa fans are brown football experts, experts at running football clubs, experts and knowing what managers and players are coming.

All that Lerner has done all that terrible stuff like the training ground is nothing, thats terrible; well it would be if some Villa fans should be believed.

Get a **** grip, for some its an agenda, if he sacked eck, sacked PF got rid of all his money and earned it rather than being given it, made browns amazing told the fans every single thing, people would still have a problem!

There are more clubs in this country in the same position than us and a hell of a lot more worse off than us as well, yet some fans seem to think we're automatically should be doing this and that because we're Villa.

Pathetic.

yet again you talk rubbish, you pick part of my response and not the full part. This was my answer to why I responded to you 'to bite' where I already stated what I wanted from Lerner which is nothing like what you mention above.......I said he has made some inept decisions......I also said I wasn't bothered about spending the money and all I wanted was a bit of a fight in games. So you pick part of my argument to suit your far fetched argument......read what I had said! No wonder nobody takes you seriously when you only pick part of people's arguments and then jump to the far extreme

Is he really a bluenose? :?

If so, why the **** is he still posting on this forum?

There is something not quite right with his posts and are generally seem to be always on the windup and while we all differ in opinions you can tell this is not a difference of opinion but looking to be different or opposite of opinion of the latest poster.....hence reference about being the Bluenose, whether right or wrong he's a windup merchant