nick76

2 hours ago, Villa Gaffa said:

What are the chances of him getting fully fit again or will this screw in his foot be a problem for him to manage for the rest of his playing days ?

At least it’s not nailed on his career is over

1 hour ago, Jas10 said:

 

I like the kit but that badge ruins it.  At worst it would have to be monochrome version.

16 minutes ago, viivvaa66 said:

I don’t understand why we voted no. The vote was only about the anchoring, not the 70%/85% since those are UEFA rules. The anchoring would not make a difference against the top six, we would still have the low revenue. Actually it would help against ManU and ManC, since they are the only two teams that would have to limit their spending because of anchoring, since they have that high revenue.

Originally it was reported on Sky that we were against it because teams in Premier League not in Europe could spend £466 mill, while we could only spend 70% of revenue. That would have made sense, except it isn’t true, or maybe even the club misunderstood the rules.

The more I learn about this, the more baffling is the position of the club on this. It simply make no sense to vote no for Aston Villa. We are years and years away to be able to get a revenue that would limit our spending because of anchoring. 

The only thing I can think of was looking at it from not how it impacts us but we wanted the anchoring to hinder the likes of Man U and City more.  Essentially the anchoring numbers are about what those clubs are at already so they can’t grow anymore but we are so far behind them that we wanted to reign them in more…maybe a 3 or 4 times rather 4.5. No idea otherwise.

1 minute ago, turvontour said:

Well if you want one example of that not being the case then you can have mine.

Me and my son have a season ticket. My youngest son is on the waiting list at about 17,000 and has barely moved for three seasons. I would get him one if offered for next season next to us. He can't attend games with us as the seats next to us are season tickets too. 

This must be a similar case for many.

 

Fair enough! I know loads of people who have just put their name down and I honestly doubt a lot of them will fork out probably £1k per year when they get a chance for ticket in a few years time.  I don’t think some realise how much season tickets are and getting value for money by attending all games.

That’s also the problem that people won’t take up the season tickets because the available seats won’t be next to friends or family because a seat popping up free next to those already having season tickets is unlikely and moving 3 season tickets to seat together is impossible these days.

7 minutes ago, lainux said:

You missed out and Elvis flies a UFO and lands in the middle of Villa Park

There is only one king in Villa Park and that’s Emery

3 hours ago, NorthEastVillan said:

It's a bit confusing tbh. The way I read it it you can spend 70% of your revenue (if in europe), up to a maximum of £466m.

If you're not in Europe it's 85% up to the Anchoring level of £466m.

So any way you look at it £466m is the most any team can spend. European football or not.

*Getting my info from Sky so pinch of salt

Kieran Maguire the financial football expert on Talksport said it’s 70% of your revenue if you are in Europe and 85% not in Europe up to the maximum of that anchoring amount whatever figure that would be.  So we (Villa) would only have maximum of 70% of our revenue.

Essentially you can spend the lower of either the 70/85% of revenue or the anchor amount….not the higher of either as many reported.

Thats what I got from the Maguire bloke anyway, so I assume that’s true.  So only if you are earning well over the half a billion in revenue will you be affected by the anchor rule.

So i assume that’s why we voted no because us getting Champions League this season or any European football means we get hindered because our low revenue compared to the Sky6 teams.  So we need Champions League (any Europe) to help increase our revenues and appeal to new fans and their money and thus sponsorships but it also hinders us.  Hopefully the club can generate more commercial revenue because i want regular European football season after season and we are strong favourites for CL this season if we can get over the line.

1 minute ago, Django_Zooms said:

This is on X Twitter. Is it accurate? And are we prepared to help Spurs?  

"England will secure extra UCL spot if:  

- Aston Villa win all three matches, before penalties. 

- Bayern/Dortmund/Leverkusen get eliminated in the semifinals, with total of just one win (or two draws). 

- PSG/Marseille don't win at least one of their remaining matches."

Yes that’s why it’s 1% chance of all that happening according to the stat people

3 minutes ago, blandy said:

The change of ownership, then manager is the key. For most of my life we've had a bad owner and bad managers. Every time we've had a change in ownership and a good manager (as perceived at the time) the crowds have been good. We've got both now, again and because the Gerrard mistake was short lived enough, no harm was done. Like fans everywhere hope is what fills the ground and creates the demand. As a big club in a big city in a densely populated part of the country a ground able to accommodate the level of support a moderately successful (or better) team is essential.  Aside from the limited and dated nature of 2 of the stands, expansion and redevelopment is necessary just to help stay competitive.

Well I hope you are right and we do redevelop significantly.  I’m not keen to move away but redeveloping and modernising I’d love. 

7 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

It was up at close to 30k a few years ago I think, it's been allowed to gently regress since then and I believe it's about 27k now - I'm sure I noted the actual figure down at a meeting at some point. If we had 33k we'd be struggling, that would leave us with about 3,000 (non-hospitality) tickets available to members on any given matchday.

Really?  I thought I’d seen many times our season tickets were 33k but I cede to your knowledge on it.  Apologies on that. As you say I was wrong on both….you learn something knew every day.  

Just been looking at our average attendances over the last couple of decades and it truly amazing that with an average crowds for decades struggling to getting close to capacity with mid thirty thousands crowds that we now “supposedly”have 35k season ticket waiting list.

4 minutes ago, blandy said:

Neither of those things are true. 

Eh?  Our 33k season limit is the highest for decades isn’t it?

As for average attendance, my apologies it was materially  below an average of 40k

3 minutes ago, mrchnry said:

Next season will be 3 and a half seasons on the waiting list for me. Last year I went from in the 11 thousands to the 10 thousands. The demand is definitely there to fill 50k+ 

I can’t agree, I had family members easily get new season tickets in the summer of 2019 and had the pick of many places in the ground.  That was only eighteen months before you went on the list and then suddenly we had a raft of people wanting season tickets.  When it’s in very short supply people want it but when readily available it’s not so much in demand.

6 minutes ago, turvontour said:

I think a huge chunk of the waiting list are family members or friends of existing season ticket holders. It's not like it's new fans who might need convincing. There's a huge backlog of fans who would have naturally become season ticket holders irrespective or what league or how well we are doing. 

Our season ticket limit is the highest it’s been and we’ve averaged top end of plus 40k for decades so I can’t agree with your point.  If we were struggling like we had been for decades or in the Championship then we would be struggling to fill Villa Park every week except for big games.

1 hour ago, ender4 said:

Even if only 10,000 of our 35k+ waiting list actually took up the option of a season tickets, that takes our current attendance from 42k to 52k. Add in 2k extra hospitality and 1k extra away fans capacity, then we would already be averaging 55k for a rubbish category B game. 
 

Then we’d have lots of casual fans who would buy the extra 5k tickets that would be on general sale, even if that was only for the big 6 games, Wolves game and 4 CL games, that’s 50% of our games selling out a 60k stadium. 
 

The smaller games probably only attract an extra 2k casual fans and so attendance averages 57k for those games. 

You’re assuming the 10k are new fans and not the current people who get single tickets.  We have 33k season tickets, plus 10k new season tickets, then let’s say 7k for casual and corporate fans get 50k probably more like it.  Big games would fill 60k, but smaller games might not hit 50k.

As I say the club will have a better understanding whether demand is really there you’d hope but 40k+ has been our crowd size for so decades, to think we have 60k consistently seems a big call imo.

1 hour ago, tinker said:

Well if you are right,  and i dont think you are,  mwe have hit our ceiling. As for the club thinking like that......have you seen our new shareholders and the type of expertise they have brought on board? I don't think they are here to add 3000 seats to an ageing stadium. 

Who knows.  As I said if they release new plans then I’ll believe it but I’m not there at the moment.  The club have said they aren’t moving away to a new stadium and we are restricted how much more we can increase the current ground by and the current proposal has been put on hold which also adds weight to my view.  If we could get 60k+ plus then the club wouldn’t have given up so easily the comment that we will not move from the site.

32 minutes ago, Mazrim said:

Sorry, I cant agree with this. Villa could easily fill a stadium well in excess of 50k. Especially currently. The problem is logistics and room, not demand. 50k isn't nearly enough and we should be planning for 60k at least.
That said, 52k as a first phase is sensible.

Up until 5 years ago it was easy to get a season ticket, members of my family got one in the summer the season we got promoted by just speaking to the Villa and had many options to where there was available seating.  

I get that we are doing well and football is immensely popular at the moment but I’m yet to be convinced that we have either 30,000 genuine season ticket waiting list people who would snap up a ticket if it was available now, maybe 10,000 tops or if they would be general sale that we would sell anywhere near 60k in the lower class premier league games especially midweek games.

if it is genuine then the club would build a new stadium or make the stadium redevelopment plans grander but given they haven’t at the moment, they may be thinking the same as me.  If in the summer they lay out grand plans then I will believe it but as of today I’m not convinced the consistent demand is there.

1 hour ago, CVByrne said:

I know it's crazy but hear me out. 

There is a case to be made for us going into the Europa League on sporting terms (not financial).

1) The Format has changed to be the same as the Champions League, ie 2 extra games in group stages and a 2 leg knockout for those in 9th to 24th. This essentially removes some of the jeopardy for the top teams and increases the prize pool. 

2) No Champions League teams will drop into the Europa League in the new format, plus the 5th best Italian and German sides will also not be in it s they will go into CL. So the 2 teams from the PL who qualify will surely be the top 2 favourites for the competition

3) Having weaker European games for a club at the stage we are (when a European Championship was on in summer) will be a benefit to our Premier League performance and potentially our ability to make a go at the domestic cups.

4) Progression to Semi final or final stage in Europa League would bring good prize money and be close enough to the level we would get from going out in the playoff phase of the Champions League

5) Winning it is the biggest prize we can realistically win under Emery. We can't win the PL or CL and this is the 3rd best title available.

There is a case but  not one that should be one that we want.  

It’s one you say when you get pipped to 4th spot.  

This discussion would be about trying to uplift the fan base because of disappointment of not getting a Champions League place.  

Hopefully this is not  going to be our outcome and I wouldn’t give up CL for EL.

22 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

I want it too, but no way are we ready, I doubt we get out the group.

It'll be a killer too next season with our small squad.

If we don’t get out the group as you suggest then it won’t matter that we have an apparent small squad as the second half of season we will be European games free and thus many more less games than we had this season.

The experience will do our players a world of good, plus all the additional revenue, and some big games for fans.  I don’t see a downside personally.

36 minutes ago, TRO said:

The reason, I have asked it Nick.....is to get eloquent views like yours.

see.......I get the best out, in you.

Don’t start spreading rumours that I have a best side, I have a reputation to keep

26 minutes ago, rbcuk said:

Don’t know where they get that from, we always take bottles of coke in with us, have had no issues doing this for years just have to take the lid off

I think it’s because the security people just don’t give a shit…most of them don’t know the rules.  I just have that message on me if I get an idiot who says I can’t take my bottles in which has only happened once since and I showed them the message.

4 hours ago, limpid said:

You can;t take a bottle (with a lid on it) in anyway.

you can, you can take a gym/sports bottle in with a non-fizzy drink in.  I checked with the club at the beginning of last season and I’ve done so ever since

Just now, jayEm said:

Didn’t see the game — was Spurs’ performance at all concerning in terms of them picking up points against City/Chelsea/Liverpool?

Not really it was more about Arsenal being sloppy.  Spurs had a lot of huff and puff but Arsenal let them back in the game because of a GK howler and Rice giving away a penalty, that’s what made it edgy at the end.

He’s only a kid so no long term judgement on him but I’ve got to say I haven’t seen anything yet in him.