pacbuddies

The game was a crock of shit.

Thank heavens for the shit teams below us as we can't even beat the anti football dross from Stoke.

The sooner this crap season is over the better.

Great goal Gabby

Should be winning. Corner count increasing but we need to be more lethal from set pieces.

Wet Spam are there for the taking. Makoun on for Coker and we will do them.

Good goal and well worked by Heskey.

There was a piece on SSN earlier about David Gold recovering from swine flu and it said Parker was out. I hope they were right.

With this in mind we should maybe play NRC and Petrov in the middle...

Swine flu! I thought he had left SHA?

we cannot catch a **** break

With Houllier in charge we couldn't catch a cold!

With SHA winning and Albion winning we needed to hold on to the three points and we **** up again.

another 2 points dropped

I wish Poyet had more experience as I like him a lot.

Excellent young manager.

Was in bed thinking next Villa manager (sad and worrying!) ..thought of Poyet, just wondered if it would be to much of a gamble but he's done a brilliant job and they play good football and but also very strong defensively.

Hmmmmm, let's just say it would be an appointment I'd be excited about but a very high risk one.

Could he do any worse than Houllier?

With regard to the next Villa manager, as long as his first name is not Gerard and his surname is not Houllier then that's got to be a plus point.

Well if being able to see that Houllier is not capable of getting us out of the shit long before others could see it makes me smug then I'll take being smug any day. Thank you and goodnight.

So you admit it's a "I told you so" message yes?

If it makes you so happy to think that it is an 'I told you so' message then have it as just that. I really don't give a flying ****.

I take that as a yes then.

Take it as whatever you like. You are obviously one of those people who have to be right all of the time and keep on and on until you get the answer that suits you.

And you don't?

Sorry, I don't recall repeatedly asking the same question until I got the answer that I wanted so what relevance or point does your comment have?

:yawn:

Anyway, as much as I would like to spend the rest of the night responding to such drivel I have a pressing engagement with a gorgeous woman so it's goodnight from me and it's goodnight from me.

Well if being able to see that Houllier is not capable of getting us out of the shit long before others could see it makes me smug then I'll take being smug any day. Thank you and goodnight.

So you admit it's a "I told you so" message yes?

If it makes you so happy to think that it is an 'I told you so' message then have it as just that. I really don't give a flying ****.

I take that as a yes then.

Take it as whatever you like. You are obviously one of those people who have to be right all of the time and keep on and on until you get the answer that suits you.

And you don't?

Sorry, I don't recall repeatedly asking the same question until I got the answer that I wanted so what relevance or point does your comment have?

I have defended Gerard Houllier since he came to the club in September, but today made me realise that he has actually lost it, or just never had it in the first place. You won't find me singing anti-Houllier songs at matches as I believe supporting the players is the thing to do. I can't remember the last season we had that was as catastrophic as this one both on and off the pitch combined. It is evident that the players have no faith/respect in the management team as today it was clear there was very little confidence or spirit shown from our players, as a life-long supporter who has spent large amounts of money following this club it saddens me to see our name Aston Villa being dragged down into the gutter.

Glad that you have seen the light. The managers inabilities are rubbing off on the players and it is the fans that will suffer if Houllier is allowed to continue.

Can someone post a picture of it. Heard it got taken down pretty sharpish so I didn't see it...

Haven't got any pics and it wasn't there for long. It looked like it may have been blocking the view for fans in the Lower Holte so it could have been taken down for that reason.

Heaven forbid that it was taken down under some unknown censorship rule that states that any anti manager banners must be immediately removed and the paying fans have to just watch shit without being able to express any dissatisfaction.

Well if being able to see that Houllier is not capable of getting us out of the shit long before others could see it makes me smug then I'll take being smug any day. Thank you and goodnight.

So you admit it's a "I told you so" message yes?

If it makes you so happy to think that it is an 'I told you so' message then have it as just that. I really don't give a flying ****.

I take that as a yes then.

Take it as whatever you like. You are obviously one of those people who have to be right all of the time and keep on and on until you get the answer that suits you.

Well if being able to see that Houllier is not capable of getting us out of the shit long before others could see it makes me smug then I'll take being smug any day. Thank you and goodnight.

So you admit it's a "I told you so" message yes?

If it makes you so happy to think that it is an 'I told you so' message then have it as just that. I really don't give a flying ****.

Poor. There was no spark to us today, I thought Young was our best player and the only one who (in his own slightly misguided way) looked like he cared. Bent hasn't impressed me, if we're playing one up front then that one should be the best man we have for the job at the club - and that's Gabby.

However, it seems churlish to try to pick out one thing though when there are so many things wrong - we played a back line with two midfielders in it, we brought on a sub that wouldn't get a game at any other Premiership club, we played our best winger through the middle and brought our best striker on to play on the wing - and you know what, that isn't even the problem.

The problem is confidence, passion, togetherness, pride - all of those words we use to describe the way in which people translate their talents into what they do, the feeling that they care about it - it should come from leadership, it can be achieved by fear, or through gentle growth - a player can be nurtured and inspired by the right manager to encourage all of the qualities we were missing today.

It's organisation too, the confidence that comes from knowing your job and knowing that the man next to you knows his - that's down to good coaching and experience - it's not visible in our performances.

We are a disjointed club, with unhappy fans transmitting their fears to unmotivated, detached players, a maelstrom with a hole at its centre where it's manager should be.

He has to go and he has to go now - I'd have MacDonald back in until we have a chance to get the right man and I'd start looking today. Let this Captain go down on someone else's ship.

Houllier out.

Agree with almost all of that apart from the last paragraph about MacDonald.

Houllier has to go - the Holte has turned.

It's not just the Holte that has turned. There was serious discontent and negative chants from all sections of the ground today.

Houllier out.

Warnock hates the club, hates the area and hates the fans. GH can only make him hate the way the club is going and make him hate GH... theres no way GH can be at fault for Warnock hating Brum/Aston and us, the fans.

I don't recall Warnock saying that he hated anything about Birmingham, Aston or the fans before Inspector Clueless got his feet under the table and started to piss players off with his lack of man management skills.

His shit ways have managed to piss off Warnock, Carew, Beye, Ireland, Dunne and who knows how many others.

I totally agree. If Warnock and Beye are fit why are they not playing. We need to be putting out our strongest team. If I **** up as badly in my job week in week out then I would have been sacked long ago.

Houllier out.

do you honestly need to be told why warnock isnt playing?

Yes I do need to be told why. Villa are paying his wages, we have defensive injuries and are in the shit, he is the best left back that we have at the club at the moment so we need to play him.

I don't give a flying **** about what he has said, we use him to get results and then get rid if necessary. Houllier could alienate and piss off a Buddhist Monk with his lack of man management skills so the writing was on the wall for Warnock and Carew as soon as he was appointed.

Perhaps the 70% or so of voters in a Villatalk poll who wanted Houllier to stay will come on here and say that they were pleased with today's performance and result and that they have faith in Houllier.

Very childish comment.. it's like saying "I told you so".

The 70% of people including myself did it as said above in good faith, no one wants to see Villa fail hence people were giving him time in hope he will turn things around.

If I'd wanted to say "I told you so" then I would have said it. It's childish to call someone elses' comment childish.

No really it isn't, the same comments are plastered everywhere for a reason.. smug to say the least.

Went to the match, watched a load of shit and now letting my feelings be known.

I also went to the match, made my feelings known although I did it without the smugness and "told you so" attitude.

Aren't you the clever one then.

Clever? nah, just sensible.

Well if being able to see that Houllier is not capable of getting us out of the shit long before others could see it makes me smug then I'll take being smug any day. Thank you and goodnight.

Perhaps the 70% or so of voters in a Villatalk poll who wanted Houllier to stay will come on here and say that they were pleased with today's performance and result and that they have faith in Houllier.

Very childish comment.. it's like saying "I told you so".

The 70% of people including myself did it as said above in good faith, no one wants to see Villa fail hence people were giving him time in hope he will turn things around.

If I'd wanted to say "I told you so" then I would have said it. It's childish to call someone elses' comment childish.

No really it isn't, the same comments are plastered everywhere for a reason.. smug to say the least.

Went to the match, watched a load of shit and now letting my feelings be known.

I also went to the match, made my feelings known although I did it without the smugness and "told you so" attitude.

Aren't you the clever one then.

Cowans and MacDonald until the end of the season and then appointment someone who is not Houllier, MON or Allardyce.

Wont let me vote, but it would have been out now! How can so many people on here have thier heads buried in the sand? He is killing this club from the inside like a cancer and it is breaking my heart to read all the negative press. Has warnock dissapeared off the face of the planet? Never really liked the lad but at least he played with a bit of heart and fight. Something that was clearly lacking from a group of players that clearly dont want to play for the current managerial set up, which in my opinion why a crap bunch of players on the opposing team today played us off the park for long periods. They were fighting for thier lives, for thier fans and most importantly of all they were fighting for thier manager! Forgot to add, i genuinly believe we will be going down if some drastic measures are not taken and bloody quickly. Houllier has clearly lost the more senior members of the dressing room, that is a recipe for disaster. It is not long ago that we were challenging up the other end of the table with the same group of players, plus expensive additions so why is all so utterly crap now? Only one explanation is bad management!

I totally agree. If Warnock and Beye are fit why are they not playing. We need to be putting out our strongest team. If I **** up as badly in my job week in week out then I would have been sacked long ago.

Houllier out.

Perhaps the 70% or so of voters in a Villatalk poll who wanted Houllier to stay will come on here and say that they were pleased with today's performance and result and that they have faith in Houllier.

Very childish comment.. it's like saying "I told you so".

The 70% of people including myself did it as said above in good faith, no one wants to see Villa fail hence people were giving him time in hope he will turn things around.

If I'd wanted to say "I told you so" then I would have said it. It's childish to call someone elses' comment childish.

No really it isn't, the same comments are plastered everywhere for a reason.. smug to say the least.

Went to the match, watched a load of shit and now letting my feelings be known.