VILLAFC2000

Have a word with dave then - sunbeam...!

It Does not help by Camerons sheers arogance on Europe You cant have it both ways - If you have got nothing good to say then shut the fXXk up.

One thing she said is that people who complain about the gap between the richest and poorest would prefer the poor to be poorer provided the rich were less rich. Make no sense what so ever. And we all know how well the Blue noses have done in the last 14 years...!

Any one still think we may go into recession...? http://inoffthebar.org/ chesck this out - be great to here some comments...!

viva la revolution

Yardi yardi yarda.

Exacly that...! please can we now keep the thread to the thread...!

I vote for the party which offers the most Equality, Ethics and Morals. So after all these rants you are a Tory after all shallus

wetttty..!

I vote for the party which offers the most Equality, Ethics and Morals.

weeeeeeeeeeey...! another cracker lads

new labour were completely different to labour.

do you mean New Labour...?

Nothing right about it either unless your a millionaire that actually knows about politics.

and so are you right wing political views.

Beat it sunbeam...! I am dyslexic. I was KO but now I am OK...!

So the current Prime Minister blatently lied to the public? What case were they trying to spin? I'd have thought they'd have liked to give this contract to a UK company and keep the investment and jobs here. Why wouldn't they do it if they could? Lol unbeleivable - this is the Torries party. And to all those numpties who make the point if the tories are so pants then why di 10 million vote for them.....! HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM let me think about that. The song underneath says it all. I went to Eaton paid a lot for knowledge. I joined the bullingdon crew at colledge. Thats where I caught his eye (Gideon) He told me that his dad was loaded I said mine too we should run this country. He said ya, we should run this country. And in 30 seconds time I realized. I will need the votes of the common people I must PRETEND to do the things that common people do And then we will shit on common people like you. What else would I do I M a Torie.

legend

How long is his contract at Villa for...?

Any one got highlights on the game.

Aye, Oslo born and raised Whats you connection with Villa - How did you get into politics..?

Now we more or less agree. Good good I'll just take your numbers for granted for the sake of argument. Over how many budget years is the cost of Trident distributed? Again for the sake of argument let's just say ten years. 100/10= £10bn/year. Let's just say that you manage to close EVERY loophole and add another £100bn worth of revenue. 10bn + 100bn = 110bn. If the deficit is £180bn where do you find the remaining £70bn? I would spread the deficit plans over double the time that has currently been set. I would increase the tax on the banks and bankers bonuses. Get rid of trident. This is all grossly simplistic btw. But it's just to give a general idea. What big picture? I'm just trying to tell you that how much debt Britain could carry after WWII has nothing to do with how big a deficit you can handle now! That is obviously impossible to answer. May I ask what your background is – Have you lived in Norway all your life...?

oh i agree the the people being paid millions is immoral ..the problem is £100k + sees you being taxed at 50% and that is where a lot of company directors / owners fall into and I just can't agree that this makes them so wealthy that they should by taxed at that sort of rate .. Are you sure you are taxed 50 % of your 100k. Are you saying that if you earned 150 000 per year you would be taxed £75 000 and not 30 000..? You might want to check you calculations sun beam. He hasn't done any calculations "sun beam", and actually you want to check yours. On £150,000 salary, PAYE would be about £53K, and NI would be about £7K, giving a total tax and NI of £60K. As you earn more than £150K, you'd be paying a marginal rate of 50%. Or at least people would, if it wasn't such a ridiculously easy tax to avoid. Calm down seagull. on 100 k you would be taxed 30 k. What percentage of 150 k is 53. I don't make it 50%.

And fair play to the trade unions for that! I have never, ever suggested that the trade unions don't do a great deal of good. I have also never suggested that banks are saints who have been hard done by. I do not think that at all. But banks do provide a function in our society that is as necessary as trade unions which is something it might be wise to appreciate. All of this is obviously entirely beside the point. Both banks and trade unions are, essentially, agents with inavoidably biased agendas who principally have the same right to influence politcal decisions. Who is more worth listening to for advice as a different question all together. I'd say both sides are worth listening to. The banking industry probably has done good., its good to be able to save up somewhere, its good to give people jobs, but its also full of greed, and greed that has led to possibly the biggest meltdown of the last few decades, gambling with other peoples money and false investments etc, which has led to banks going bust, banks being bailed out (( BY US) and bank staff, (( not the massively wealthy ones, but the £15k a yearers) losing their jobs and careers..... all the while, those bankers in the city have continued to enjoy massive figure bonuses, to pass the buck and to still think of their own gains, rather than the horrific decisions, they and their colleagues have taken in the last few years to get us in this mess.......what should happen is those earning the 100k bonuses should be taxed at at a higher % on these bonuses, still a hefty addition to their anual salary, some earned so much in bonuses that their drive to succeed and earn the most left them playing with fire and **** up massively but when the going got tough, they refused to hold their hands up...... thats the part that annoys me. That is exactly what I just said. I have no desire to defend the current government. I absolutely detest tax avoidance so I agree with you that this should be looked into very closely indeed. But I can only speculate that filling tax loopholes is not enough to balance the budget. As usually I believe it's a very good idea to look at both sides and make compromises. I won't take side in the Trident debate but just as your example with the military operation in Libya Trident is not strictly a long term budget commitment. Oh but Trident is...! We spend 100 billion on Trident according to Clegg – Having said that its probably bull (The irony) and you won’t take a side on it for something we have never used. The deficit is 200 billion. Its harder to calculate Tax evasion but the current Torie estimate are between 30 – 40 billion. Seeing as the Toies governments pals owe a lot of this money its probably a very conservative estimate...! (get it) ha ha. You could probably double these predictions. "The deficit = £180bn" "Tax avoidance by the super-rich = Worth £100bn PER YEAR" "Trident = £100bn (according to Clegg) " "You sure theres no alternative"? That's just not relevant! Debt isn't the big problem! The big picture is relavent – I am not going around in circles again In which the solutions presented require no systemic change at all. Of course it matters about the figures. I would agree that the top 1 per cent owning 70 per cent is too much but I'm not necessarily in favour of a perfectly even distribution either. What ratio would you like to see...? That depends on the issue, the situation and the context. I'm often left, occasionally slightly to the right but predominantly I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't support any specific political party though with the possible exception of a strong preference for the Democratic party (as the much lesser of two evils) in the US. I am generally sceptical of partisan politics. One thing’s for sure this has been a great debate...!

oh i agree the the people being paid millions is immoral ..the problem is £100k + sees you being taxed at 50% and that is where a lot of company directors / owners fall into and I just can't agree that this makes them so wealthy that they should by taxed at that sort of rate .. Are you sure you are taxed 50 % of your 100k. Are you saying that if you earned 150 000 per year you would be taxed £75 000 and not 30 000..? You might want to check you calculations sun beam.