MotoMkali

9 hours ago, AntrimBlack said:

That's what I said. When or if he goes back to City, he can then make his own choices like any other player at any other club.

But he cannot do that with us.

He absolutely can. Generally a player won't turn down a move like that but he can certainly choose where he plays even if we have to accept their offer he does not have to accept their contract. 

Just now, Keyblade said:

It's really remarkable. Reminds me of how good Benteke's English has gotten too. It took Christian a good few years to get there though and Wesley just a couple of months. Meanwhile, Aguero, going into his 10th season in the PL still uses a translator. Not sure what's going on there, but I guess he does his talking on the pitch.

Much easier for them. If they say something controversial the translator can filter it out. Less likely to get fined. 

4 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said:

It would not be for us to accept or reject any offer. Only City can do that. And only City can activate the buy back clause. His future is in City's hands, not ours.

His future is in his own hands. If someone was willing to pay 60 million for Luiz why would he agree to go back to city and not just go straight to them. The only reason city will have put it in is so they can offer him more money than anyone else because they would have an additional 30 million budget for luiz's signing. 

1 hour ago, AntrimBlack said:

City have a buy back clause, so he has no choice in that matter. After that, of course, he will be like any other player at any other club with regard to being transferred by City to another club.

He can refuse to sign a contract with them. The same way if el ghazi didn't want to join us he could have refused to sign the contract we offered him. Players have the right to choose their future and he would act in his best interest not in cities. 

4 hours ago, mikeyp102 said:

Whilst I agree if we were a top side we’d have better than Heaton, I think he’s a massive upgrade on Steer. He organises the defence, shouts instructions at them. Steer doesn’t do that

Apparently steer has been a lot more vocal lately in his cup games. On top of that I think he is more aggressive when coming for the ball which is important because against Burnley we should have got all 3 points and would have if Heaton had come for the cross. 

5 hours ago, TRO said:

Fwiw......a word of advice, don't try and fit in with them......they should fit in with us.

its not uncool to behave in a respectful manner.

We all love humour......but offensive and racist comments is NOT humour.

This is hard to tell whether it is sarcasm or not. He was making fun of the **** rascist clearings in the woods and not actually stereotyping nakamba. But if you are reading this I'm sure it is Marvelous

49 minutes ago, carewjust4u said:

 

They recently did something very similar with Angelino with PSV https://www.mancity.com/news/first-team/first-team-news/2019/july/man-city-sign-angelino-psv-transfer-latest-update

Granted they haven't sold or loaned him back out yet.

To be fair angelino is proabably their 2nd best left back and you know how the like having 2 quality players at each position. 

Just now, MaVilla said:

That header he missed though........

Turned around and saw it was coming at him. He was unprepared and just tried to hit it not directly at the keeper. He managed that but got a tad unlucky. 

7 hours ago, sne said:

I'd have Makelele as the GOAT in that position (can't really say on players before the mid 80's)

Fwiw Seedorf was much more attacking and not really a DCM, Edgar Davids fits the role better with Dutch players from that era IMO

I remember seedorf playing DCM for AC at the end of his career when kaka first broke onto the scene. Probably why I thought he played as a CDM. 

4 hours ago, Tomaszk said:

Contribute when we're not playing well, it's that simple. He hides away every single time it gets hard. He's very consistent in everything he does, positive and negative.

He's brilliant at grabbing goals on the front foot, undoubtedly. He should have been brought on in the West Ham game, it was absolutely made for him.

I'd start him v Brighton definitely, we're looking good. He, Jack and Targett combining and switching around really well.

For a player like him it is hard to contribute when we are not playing well. He will contribute with set pieces but he isn't going to create for himself or get himself in to a position to play a player in on goal. He needs help and that will be down to Grealish, mcginn and El Ghazi. If we are playing poorly it won't be conors fault. He works hard defensively and puts a shift in. He isn't some kind of magical player who will be able to win us a game by himself but he will get you goals, assists and win you penalties. That is all you can recall ask for from your 4th best midfielder on the pitch.

The main question is whether the goals the assists and the set piece delivery is more important than Luiz's overall play and I would say yes. Luiz is a fusion of Grealish and mcginn but is currently not as good as either of them. When he is in the team he doesn't offer anything either of them can't do, except for top quality long range shots which hourihane will score more of anyway. I think hourihane will be more important until Jack and mcginn can add what each other is lacking goals for Grealish and assists for mcginn. Obviously Luiz has to be able to do both but less than conor to usurp him if that is the case. It can only really be a good thing to have 3 prem quality players competing for 1 spot. Either way let the games begin! 

Just now, sne said:

Makalele and Essien also amazing

Essien less so after his knee injuries.

 

Sadly I haven't been around long enough to know a huge amount about either of them. You know viera is the best CDM the same way you know cruyf was the best CAM ever. But when it comes fown to it the best CDM's I can think of aren't white. Seedorf is another and you have got players like fernandinho, John obi mikel (never brilliant but started for 5-8 years at what was the best English club at the time).

6 hours ago, Keyblade said:

I definitely see where you're coming from, it's always a little awkward seeing comparisons to completely different types of players. But can you think of any white defensive midfielders of recent times comparable to Marvelous? Maybe Gattuso? But Marv has got more technical ability than he ever had. Honestly can't think of any top white destroyer types in recent times, certainly not in the PL.

I personally think the Gana comparison is pretty apt. Kante not as much, N'Didi even less. Makalele is brought up a lot because as mentioned he's the gold standard for the position. Just like attacking left backs are the next Ashley Coles or goal scoring midfielders are the next Lampard etc. It just so happens that a lot of the best DMs are black. I don't think it's as lazy a comparison as say when every tall black striker is the new Drogba for example.

Best one ever is viera. The best one since him to do it in the prem is Kante and gueye was pretty great too. Obviously you would compare them especially considering gueye, kante and nakamba all have a lot more strength than their frame would suggest. 

1 hour ago, Raver50032 said:

Very pleased for him at the weekend. His goals were relatively easy in terms of overall difficulty, but you've still got to be in the right position and still got to put them away if you get a chance. He did that, and I can't ask more of him. The penalty wasn't a disaster, though I always prefer a nice, confident run up rather than a stutter or even (is it that Charlton player?) just walking up to the ball. I think he showed that there is more to his game than just tapping the ball in too, so fair play to him.

Keep going son... We want you to do well, because if you're doing well, the whole team benefits. I'll raise a J2O to you, young man. Keep it up.

Lewandowski has a semi stutter in his run up. 

6 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

I doubt you can coach basics like how to run to a grown man. I don’t know to be honest, Maybe you can?

i think if he lost a bit of muscle or maybe body fat it would give him a bit more speed which could really help his game.

The technique is the main difference between a really fast player and an Olympic sprinter. The proper technique for sprinting feels very unnatural with you needing to take longer strides at the start and bring your knees and heels I higher up than you normally would. It certainly makes a difference and if wes could do it his straight line speed would be great. 

1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

He seems a bit slow and clumsy at times. Almost like his size hinders him when he has the ball.  I wonder if he could benefit by being a bit leaner and more agile?

As long as he’s banging the goals in and putting in a shift like Saturday it’s all good. 

I think a lot of that is technique which he is still improving as he hasn't been playing for long. But yeah he is really slow accelerating but I think he runs quite weirdly maybe he needs to be coached on how to accelerate properly. 

7 hours ago, 8pints said:

Has scored 4 in 8, 1 in 4 shots on target, 1 in 3 of them a goal. And this is while he's still learning and at times struggling with his confidence and the challenges of the Premier League. Fingers crossed he continues to improve.

He's only had 17 shots though. Maybe 1 in 4 off target.

Wesley has had 1 more goal than mcginn and more shots on target in 7 fewer shots which is pretty good. 

5 hours ago, screwdriver said:

It is crucial Smith  comes out and tell the fANS who the designated penatly taker is. I demand a press conference first thing monday!

I think wesley only took the pen because he was on a hatrick.  No one else springs to mind.

 

It goes down as one of the worst pens I've ever seen. worse than gary linkekers last pen for england. Wesleys pen was just as pathetic. the run up was a joke too short and the execution was like the guys who do the half time kick the ball into the circle game at Villa park...ie utter garbage.

you look through the squad 1 to 11 and think there's no obvious guy who is going to take the pens. Maybe Connor hourihane. you'd thkn Grealish would be all over it to boost his stats for his impending england call up.

You want a run up to be like shearer or gerrard. Long run up full power. like waddle in the world cup. Id rather miss the target with a thunderbolt than live with the shame of a 3rd choice veteran keeper palming my soft shot away.

 

I can't believe Smith is  happy with a 5-1 when it really should of been 6-0. disgrace.

I know this post is satire but Lewandowski takes 2 small steps in the middle of the run up. This is to judge what the keeper is planning to do. 

Surprisingly I think it is conner who wins our most penalties. He is just so good coming in with that delayed run where he either gets a really good chance to score or put a ball across goal or win a penalty. Got an assist and won a penalty doing that today.

On top of that he is also decent defensively for a more forward midfielder. If you compared him to someone like Ruben neves they probably are as good at defending as each other. The difference is neves is a better playmaker but we have Grealish and mcginn for that anyway so I'm happy with hourihane popping up and scoring. 

1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said:

I like keepers who make saves. Heaton is more than decent at this level when you actually look at the sort of clowns playing for most of the sides at this level.

Heaton has made 19 saves and conceded 12 goals.15tg in the league for saves. 

2 minutes ago, bobzy said:

 

Never change VT, never change  

8 days, all it takes for a villa fan to completely change our mind. 

59 minutes ago, Mic09 said:

Are all our Scottish players Brazilian?

Nah mcginn is Spanish. Scored in the 2010 world Cup final if I recall correctly. 

5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

How can milk be a lit matchstick??? 

I was suggesting it aged poorly within a day. As a lit match stick burns out in a couple of minutes. 

10 minutes ago, av1 said:

That he has today's performance in him is what frustrates the life out of me. He goes between brilliant and atrocious and I don't think I'm being to harsh in suggesting that so far in his Villa career it's been more average than good, but he has this in him. 

Consistence is the key. 

Consistency is the difference between a world class winger and a good/average winger. That and finishing ability. El ghazi already has the finishing so beigg consistent could have him be a top winger in the prem. 

I think today he had much better in game management. He brought on trez and Luiz at the right times for me and obviously he had to bring on konsa for Engels but it was good game all around. 

1 minute ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

And it was under Bruceball. Where we signed players with no regards to tactics or philosophy. Just not comperable. And Davis was 2 years younger than Wesley. At the same age Wesley managed a handful of goals in some slovak tinpot league where you and I could score goals.

I like Wesley, but the notion that he is such a much better talent than Davis or is likely to score a whole lot more is based on a very thin data set or no data at all.  But it helps having a fancy brazilian name. 

And wesley had only been playing serious football for 4 years and Keinan had been doing it for probably 10 years. Keinan has a had a lot more time to refine his skills. Wesley has been learning from scratch so yes he does have a higher ceiling because isn't close to his skill level yet and he is more athletic than Davis. Obviously there are exceptions like salah jumping from a fast skilled winger to one of the best players in the world in his age 28-29 season. Maybe Davis will one day learn how to score but right now wesley has a higher ceiling because he has less experience and is already better.