Tumblerseven

i dont understand why people not calling this stuff out in this forum. I really dont... you should be shamed like actually you are copy of that momo person or whatever who straight up used lies and propaganda until i came and called them out.

hamas offered to release them and israeli have refused? Dude your framing is actually wild its disgusting. oh my god and it got worse...

Well let me explain. I was talking with thug about Israels legitimate threats. I named every neighboring country to Israel and posted their all population numbers all those countries dont want israel existing. Israel population is 9million neighboring countries 153million. Thug completely ignored that legitimate threat to Israel. And said that its a walk in a park for Israel to defeat all those countries and he wanted to focus on military budget. I said hold on those 153 million population countries can use war of attrition. He laughed again and said utter nonsense its not WW1. So the question if all neighboring countries would attack Israel at the same time would war of attrition contribute to the wars outcome? i think the answer is very clear yes. He Thug disingenuously asked you would you consider this war the war of attrition and tried to pretend that we are talking about this war. I saw what he asked you and i wanted to correct the question.

Hamas Militant’s Chilling Call To Family After Oct 7 Israel Massacre; ‘Your Son’s A Hero’ | Watch | Hindustan Times there is a video inside. I feel like you just trying to argue for the sake of argue so im not even going to touch it.

Yo @magnkarl out of curiosity if a country with 9 million people fight with a country of153 million people. Is it likely that war of attrition would contribute to the wars outcome?

uh oh you slipping huh? My statement: So if im not mistaken Hamas were elected in pretty democratic election by their standards in 2006 Meaning of the statement: In 2006 Hamas were democratically elected. Does that mean that they have democratic mandate in 2023? NO. did i even suggested it? NO Your statement: Hamas were elected in 2006, can you name any democratically elected government that is still in power without facing re-election in 17 years? yet you want to argue that Hamas has a democratic mandate. Can you quote me where i said i want to argue that Hamas has democratic mandate? Do you see the difference between these two statements? 1: They were democratically elected in 2006 2: They were democratically elected in 2006 and they still have democratic mandate still now? Please tell me how a country with awful lot of young people who dont like their government looks like? what do you expect to see in that country?

I am sorry general i cant im just a private tell me more how war of attrition doesn't exist please.

State of Palestine Population (2023) - Worldometer (worldometers.info) Ongoing genocide? with growing population? uh oh. Please "general" tell me what do you expect to see in the population when someone is committing a genocide of that population?

First of "general" @Thug i am actually speechless you did it. I dont recall where i said that Hamas has democratic mandate in 2023 but go off king if thats strengthens your argument I listen to some people in this forum i have no idea what kind of politics or reality you subscribe. In my belief there cant be a fascist totalitarian government with democratic society and there cant be democratic government with fascist totalitarian society. These goverments cant exist society overthrow them in each case. With younger generation of Palestinians comment ar you implying they dont want Hamas as government? they are bunch of democratic and peaceful people huh?? I think this is again about your warped view of reality like with the look of the countries who want to survive. Please tell me how a country with awful lot of young people who dont like their government looks like? what do you expect to see in that country?

Well its your problem if you dont explain yourself and just put smiles all over. You laughing at my statement of the main cause. Why? what is the 2023 Israels main cause? Militarry budgets? nah i better give you this: One of the best examples of a war of attrition is World War I on the Italian and the Western Fronts. Both sides were drained until one side did not have enough men, horses, food and other military resources to continue. The term was often used to show a lack of imagination in simply throwing soldiers at their enemy.

Oh man this is like actually debating white supremacist and nazis all over again. I cant believe it. Are you pretending that you dont understand what are implications of your statement? When you laugh at my statement that Israel in danger and its fighting for survival because there are legitimate threats you are implying that Its ridiculous you are implying that there are no threats or danger to Israel or if it is is Israel can beat it. I just posted a list with neighboring countries and their population who dont want Israel existing to show you the credible realistic danger or threat. You completely ignored the threat and focused on another of my statements and laughed some more. Is it really so far-fetched for me to say that you actually dont care about israel existing? really?

Israel 9 miliion population. Adversarial neighboring countries. Lebanon 5 million population Syria 22 million population Jordan 11 million population Egypt 110 million population Palestine 5 million population Anyone who unironically laughs at that statement actually dont care about Israel existing im certain of it.

"Yup ignore the actions as soon as posible. I would suggest to ignore the posters too there are jews on them" Hey can we talk about that girls bag? its nice isnt it?

I understand what you are saying personally i dont consider every person who hides or associates with Hamas as a terrorist. + Its a political party so every person in it is huge amount of people and you have there people who wants to change it from inside i understand that. I think killing/arresting leaders generals and fighters who did October 7 would suffice. Well i am liberal social democrat who believes in a responsibility of the society and their government and freedom of choice. I think they know what they want and they will choose it. They will have that right. Because i believe that free Palestine would fall apart really quick and i think these two parties cant work together as countries i think they want to destroy each other there is no way out of it. And there is possibilities when the war begins people will cry and moan about cutting trades and will call those acts inhuman so remove all the responsibility. Uhm no. I think if free Palestines ideology will be to destroy Israel and its people we can treat that terrorism as an act of war. Well im sorry im not prepared to treat Palestinians like children who needs teachings and guidance walking through the world. If thats the case if they actually need this we should just occupy Palestine right now insert puppet government and try to teach them into democracy and liberalism. Im not prepared to take that freedom from them. I think that not every nation deserves a country. I think if you let people choose and the only thing they can do is elect the government with a purpose of terrorizing and attacking their neighbor maybe that country should not exist.

I think Israel should give more time to evacuate people from targeted ground assault area. I think Israel has the right to protect people from terrorist attack so they should go into Gaza and kill every single Hamas terrorist.Then leave and fortify the border. After that fully unblock Gaza give them 1 or 2 years to build infrastructure or make trades to support themselves. After two years cut all the trades or support water food fuel everything. Then after first terrorist attack announce war invade and occupy and annex all Gaza.

Okay i retract my comment about hypocrisy but do you understand how people can see or perceive your comments on October 7th minimizing and justifying the events?? When terrorists were still killing people you made these statements: Statement 1: The question of exactly when violence becomes 'justified' in a moral sense is a fine philosophical debate. Statement 2: But the defining point there is what other actions were left open to the human beings having to live through the torture, the beatings, the denigration, the subhuman treatment? Statement 3: You qouted MLK: It's impossible for me to condemn the rioting, without also condemning the conditions that lead to the rioting. Statement 1: To make this comment in the middle of the terrorist attack and imply that it would be fine philosophical debate to debate when violence is justified. I think is automatically trying to justify the violence. example: United States white supremacist shoots up a bar with 50 black people. Person X comes to forum and starts talking about how it would be a fine philosophical debate to debate when violence is justified. I dont think many people would let that slide. Statement 2: Implying there is no other option to the Palestine people but to do these kinds of actions justified by their torture beatings denigration and subhuman treatment. Statement 3: Your defense was i was just quoting MLK. I dont understand if we pretending to not know what implications are or what? Example: I steal i cookie and you start quoting me Quran about thiefs punishments where its recommended to cut thief hands. Do you understand that the implication is to cut my hands because i stole the cookie? If not explain what the implication would be. Explanation: Before your MLK quote there was another comment by OutByEaster? he said: Not so much a war, more a prison riot. So i believe its very clear that you saw what OutByEaster? said and then with MLK quote you tried minimize the events. Phrase Prison riot automatically minimizes the terrorist attack. Prison conditions automatically gives justification to the terrorist attack.

Im happy to talk to you but please explain this comment to me in more detail.

So if im not mistaken Hamas were elected in pretty democratic election by their standards in 2006. By then Hamas were established terrorist organization who made multiple suicide bomber and other attacks. So i guess we have completely different view of what country fighting for survival looks like. I think if a country wants to survive or they are fighting for their survival they elect leaders who promise to strengthen their country. I think we should see strengthening army focuses on the allies economy prosperity international relationships and trade building. For those who still have no idea who i am talking about its Israel. I guess in your view when you see country who is fighting for their survival you expect to see a country whose terrorist organization gains their popularity and votes by using suicide bombers against the country they want to destroy or weaken. People were so satisfied of Hamas business and what they are doing they elect them so they could do what? a non stop attacks for years to come and weaken the country they dont like? For those who still have no idea who im talking about its Palestine. Or do you actually believe they elected them with an idea or promises of better safer life better economy better infrastructure trades and allies?

Yah they are in a broader sense of the conflict and i dont care about any side who does that. I think Israel main cause is to try to survive and defend their land from parties countries who dont like Israel existing. I really dont think that israel main thinking right now is that we were here 2000 years ago so we justified or entitled to that or that.

What the actuall fu** is happening????

Well i hoped to show the hypocrisy of VILLAMARV with that comment. Do i really need to explain more? i dont think im prepared to explain every sentence to you. You mentioned something about language barrier the other day i dont think i can help you with that. Or maybe you should calm down because this is very emotional topic and then calmly look at what is being said here. I wanted to show how people in here from day 1 actually from minute 1 minimizing or excusing the events (ONE OF THE BIGGEST TERORIST ACTS) Yes calling it a riot is excusing and minimizing. I see games being played in this forum by some people including you and i dont like it. I see demonization i see dishonesty back handed comments who excuse or rationalize one side but not another. I think this is left leaning space so people are prepared to ignore some really really bad comments and they let them fly by like its nothing. Im not prepared to do that. I dont think i can persuade any person who is using 60 or 100 year historic excuses to minimize or excuse violence in 2023. I dont think people even understand what are they saying or implying when they use those excuses. They basically saying that a terrorist or an army can look at a world map in 1900 and they can justify any war or any violence in 2023 by "historic territorial dispute".. And thats crazy. I dont think im shouting the loudest but good try.

October 7 by the way.

First of all I dont believe you that you dont see any of this. But i will do this so you dont get to claim that again. So you have not seen or heard and know nothing about: 1. Multiple prestigious school students with official letters tried justified Hamas attacks https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/no-longer-welcome-harvard-columbia-students-lose-job-offers-over-palestine-support-letter-101697697631518.html 2. Violent protest rhetoric in Sydney gas all jews chants. https://www.timesofisrael.com/sydney-government-apologizes-for-pro-palestine-protest-that-had-gas-the-jews-chants/ 3. New York Democratic Socialists of America praising terrorists. https://nypost.com/2023/10/17/black-clergy-blast-dsa-urge-queens-pol-to-sever-ties-following-hamas-attack/ https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-shri-thanedar-cuts-ties-democratic-socialists-america-rcna120029 4.Denial that Hamas is using human shields. twitter 5.The conspiracy that Netanyahu ignored the warning so he could have pretext to invade Gaza and do a genocide. twitter https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/speech_23_5127 8.BBC REUTERS AL JAZEERA just blindly repeating terrorists lies with 0 checks they edited and edited and edited it was funny and sad to watch. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/bbc-news-bbc-gaza-grant-shapps-palestinian-b2432797.html https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/several-bbc-reporters-taken-off-air-for-alleged-pro-hamas-posts/ 9.Huge online content creators like Hasan Piker raised 1 milion for palestine but his coverage is absolutely one sided with conspiratorial elements. 10. AI baby picture conspiracy theories. 11. Multiple pro Palestine rallies where people just refuse to condemn Hamas and talks like those attacks were justified. Common trend. Videos on youtube i remember one channel 5 with Andrew Callaghan https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/us/politics/progressive-jews-united-states.html https://www.gbnews.com/news/uk-marches-palestine-israel-london-birmingham-glasgow-britain https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/10/a-left-that-refuses-to-condemn-mass-murder-is-doomed.html

It is insane what is happening the rhetoric the denial and demonization of Israel and jewish people. I remember i think it was 2014 when Israel went and just killed 2000 Palestinians absolutely uneven response i felt. And i went to the forums and talked to people and i was against Israel. I was always against Israel in that conflict until 6th. Now i have to argue for Israel and i hate that i feel like im some conservative because people completely lost their damn minds.

The Anguished Fallout from a Pro-Palestinian Letter at Harvard | The New Yorker The Anguished Fallout from a Pro-Palestinian Letter at Harvard Students issued a statement blaming Israel for the Hamas attacks. Then a doxing campaign tested the courage of their conviction.