5 minutes ago, TRO said:

When you are work in progress or trying to develop a team.....how can the mood change so dramatically after a reversal......unless its just those fans that never quite fancied him in the first place and are dragging their feet to support him.

This manager of ours after 6 months has a win ratio of 38.4%......the demise he has inherited is unprecedented for such a big club......the slide is unparalled.

this is a list of managers that preceded him in win ratio's

RDM 8.33%

Remi Garde 13.04%

Tim Sherwood 35.71%

Paul Lambert 29.57%

Alex McLeish 21.43%

Gerard Houllier 35.88%

Martin O'Neill 42 .11%

The next manager to get north of 40% was John Gregory.

This is not any old job of taking over from a struggling previous manager, it was a poisonous chess pit of abject failure.

None of the defenders of Steve Bruce is claiming he is the messiah,, we are merely recognising the position we were in, not the most attractive of propositions and looking for a man to help repair the grave damage we have experienced.

Steve Bruce has averaged 38% win rate in his whole career and we as a club have average 41% in our whole history.

This is not a failing manager......its not one that is pulling up trees either, but I guess even if he was, that could attract dubious views too.

This rectification is not going to as quick as some thought but we must give him a chance......and for all those The think there is a clutch of managers, who can do better, have another glance at the list of over eight years.

There is nothing to suggest that one of these personally preferred managers that some of the fans harbour in their thoughts,would escape that list below Steve Bruce.

just remember......a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

 

Sorry just caught this 

Sorry what league were those managers in? Rdm had hardly any time also... Absolute rubbish sorry to say proves absolute nothing putting those win %... Alot of those managers managed us in the best league in the country not the fizzy pop league 

2 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said:

You realise they made a transfer profit in January, yes? You really ought to do a bit of research.

That's not the point.. He was allowed to bring in some of his own players 

Newcastle are 30m in profit and in the automatic promo slots 

We are close to 40m down and 15th 

That's me for tonight folks.. Good debate 

Just now, Tommo_b said:

I don't understand the Wagner obsession, granted I do not know much about Huddersfield other then I think they had a fancy stadium build awhile back. What's the Wagner style of play, tactics, transfer history etc?

Wouldn't Gary Monk be a better choice, and he did well in the premier league. 

Many aspect.. But he purchased a load of foreign players with a net spend of 2m to be sitting in 3rd putting pressure on the top 2 every week for thst final automatic promotion spot with a club who have mostly been a league one side more than a championship 

Then you look at our strategy.. Puts it into perspective 

1 minute ago, kurtsimonw said:

Any proof for this or you just talking nonsense?

The facts point to the Hull owners being tight. Which is why they also gave Marco Silva no money to spend. Unless you think they also appointed Marco Silva, despite not trusting him.

Silva got in players in January... 

1 minute ago, Stevo985 said:

Two clubs. He left Birmingham for Wigan. He left Wigan for Sunderland.

Plus he wasn't sacked from Hull in the summer.

So that's 3 examples that go against your original post. I didn't bother finding any more, they may exist. I assumed 3 would be enough to show you were talking utter shite.

He left Wigan for Sunderland? So did Sunderland pay compo? Why did he leave Wigan? Sorry I bet the circumstances were totally different to your first point 

And he left hull because they didn't trust him with anymore funding... Like I said in my original post 

So it's one club... Did Sunderland sack him? Yes that's right 

He's a poor manager and your constant support for him is baffling 

5 minutes ago, srsmithusa said:

I don't think Bruce is addressing, nor has he shown the ability to address our core problem.  My difference with many who would also like to see hime out, I think, is that I very much want to be wrong, because while I think I'm right, I think there are too many at the club that are buying the excuses that are given here.  

"Things were bad when he took over" is true of every manager since MCLeish at least, if not longer.

"he didn't have his own team."  No manager in the world gets to pick whatever players he wants.  Lambert had plenty he tried to get but couldn't.  Garde never got to sign a one.  

"He had too many new players to fit in, in January" He signed them voluntarily.

"he has no other strikers to play"   He got rid of how many, in January ?  And  was playing gabby-a man who showed no concern for this club or his own waistline.

"he has too many injuries in the squad." Which of those injured for us have a history of turning matches single-handedly?  

"bad luck."  (That s appears to be the favored excuse for Huddersfield)  You make at least 90% of your own luck with preparation and intelligent positioning.  Clearly we aren't mentally prepared to finish.   

"The opponents keep getting lost cry with one shot". You don't get repeatedly beaten by one shot on goal unless you continue to be ill prepared mentally for a 90 minute match.  

The excuses, while completely inadequate, IMO, are being accepted in the name of stability.  But stably mediocre is still mediocre at best.  

Because the excuses are acceptable to many, I think we're stuck with Bruce.  For that reason. I'm desperately hoping I'm wrong about his inability to turn this around and take us forward.  COME ON YOU VILLA BOYS!!!! 

(But if Dr Tony is reading, I'm not wrong.  Better for us to replace him.).  

Bang on 

Just now, Frobisher said:

Evidence? Look at the the team you purport to support.

Sorry but our old owner caused instability not the managers... 

95% of lerners appointed managers were never ever good enough in the first place 

1 minute ago, kurtsimonw said:

So you're calling it "truly disturbing" that Bruce didn't have any kind of stability within his playing squad. So your answer is to sack him and bring in yet another new manager, who will want his own players, causing instability here. Right.

Show me the evidence of managerial changes causes 'instability' within a club? 

Swansea crystal Palace have had 2 and 3 managers this season alone and have improved to get out the relegation places.. Hull have improved under Silva overall also 

Absolute excuse for the board to save face on Bruce for appointing him 

3 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

You asked how many times he'd been headhunted by other clubs or hadn't been sacked or walked "because the club didn't trust him with money". You didn't say anythign about how good the teams were. We gave you three examples. You clearly weren't expecting any.

I'd say there's every chance Bruce could get a Premier League job. Not that I see what that has to do with anything.

So one club? He left for Sunderland? Lol really.. How come they ain't had him back and Birmingham for that matter 

Sorry for the separate posts but just look at these facts 

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If he failed to cut it as a tactician, the 50-year-old did not seem much of a strategist either. Including loans, 30 players were signed – several of whom have subsequently been moved on – during Bruce's two-and-a-half years on Wearside. That represents an unsettling "churn" factor and hardly proved conducive to developing either a clear playing philosophy or strong team spirit.

Truly disturbing 

So fellas that really amazing club Wigan got paid for him LOL.. One club out of how many managed clubs? 

I'll ask another question.. How many prem jobs is he going to get in the future? His only chance is being promoted with us.. 

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Steve Bruce was a manager who refused to move with the times

This is in 2011... 

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Shortly after taking charge at Sunderland Steve Bruce was asked if he had considered experimenting with a Christmas Tree formation. "I'm not really into tactics," 

Yes this is the very man you are all thinking is fabulous based on some comments 

Just now, Wezbid said:

Absolute tosh. 

OK then... Answer me this... How many times has he been head hunted by other clubs whilst in a job? 

He's either been sacked or walked Because the club don't trust him with anymore money 

7 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said:

He's achieved nothing so far. But this is the modern football fan. No respect, no patience. A manager's been good for a few months, give him the Dortmund job.

Well Bruce has achieved fck all of any value to any club he's been at.. In fact he leaves them in a bigger mess than when he went in... Consistently everytime 

Wagner is a manager destined for larger things.. Bruce is destined for fck all

Our manager is as poor as any manager of the last 7 years 

8 minutes ago, Grasshopper said:

respect

I'm with you 100%

Good to know there's someone else out there who nails his colours to the mast so convinced and consequential.

I'm sure as time goes by and the performances &  results will show that Bruce is not our man.

My wish is that DrT, Wyness & Round see it early enough and appoint someone who will get us up next year.

Yes mate I do... It's not about right or wrong Id love nothing more than promotion regardless of who is in charge my point is I can't see Bruce doing it.. His football was more effective in the past it's getting outdated by each season 

Anyone who has a clue about football knows that wagner is head and shoulders above Bruce in every single way from tactics to innovation to building sides to playing proper modern day football

Dortmund are likely to want him at some point do you think Dortmund will want Bruce LOL just the mere thought of that is bloody hilarious

Bruce is a soul destroyer and will lose fans going to the ground if this continues...

Bruce won't get us up next season he's out his depth.. Even if he somehow did with his dire football I'd want him out as soon as the promotion is confirmed the premiership is no place for the dinasour that is Bruce 

21 minutes ago, SidSidSidSid said:

....makes no sense at all!

Do you know what make no sense mate 

Accepting losses to sides who can beat us having spent penny's when we as a club are meant to actually want promotion. 

It's clear from the owner to the fans that there is zero awareness about what is required to achieve promotion and actually automatic promotion. 

We aren't talking about staying in this league... Maybe 5 years of fighting relegation battles makes it a habit to accept a loss or a point away from home and not think much of it. 

Busy most the day so have fun 

10 points from 12 games in 2017 with his own set of players.. 

Enough said 

How many excuses are we going to keep giving this bloke.. He's failed and even though this season isn't all down to him there is many mistakes he's made by himself 

This guy isn't good for villa and even if what seems a miracle at the moment he gets us up someone is going to have to pick up his mess I don't trust him to build a prem side what so ever.

If Bruce was appointed after mon there would be chaos and I don't see why it should be any different now...other than fans standards are as low as low can be for this club 

We just lost to a team that cost 20 times less than ours FYI but we should be grateful we only lost 1-0 

Didn't see the game but it seems like we didn't seem to deserve the loss.. Well quite frankly I'm past caring about that 

Bruce is meant to be the promotion specialist therfore the results specialist.. He's failed miserably.. I can't see anything changing under him and his football will never improve he's a negative manager 

I was watching the in game stats and even from that you can see its setup to not concede and maybe bag a goal.. So in other words setting up for a draw 

We spent like 40m on strikers and the Managwr can't organise a setup to get then scoring 

Listening to some comments on here it's clear to me your standards have severely dropped for this once great club.. Lose your standards you lose your identity

Failure to beat Wednesday at home then Bruce should be gone end of season no matter the results after that 

To answer someone question 

No point sacking Bruce now.. His 3 wins give him the rest of the season 

1 hour ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

This sums up why people aren't taking you seriously. The result of a single game against one of the most impressive teams in the league will not indicate false dawns or turning corners!  

Nothing to do with the garbage football 5 losses in a row with a squad that costs us 70m plus then 

Oh I forgot it don't matter because we beat 3 of the worse in form sides in the league.. 

Tonight we will see if it's another false dawn or we really have turned that long corner 

3 hours ago, TrentVilla said:

So now we've put to bed the myth Bruce spends loads of money, lets move on to this one.

What exactly is this Richards saga? I mean granted, the last time I saw him play he looked like he might be eligible for membership but I'm stretching my head trying to work our what this is and how Bruce is any way responsible. 

I'm also struggling with the logic of you giving Garde a free pass because he inherited Sherwood's misfits and then you talking about a saga with Richards, who was signed by.....yep Sherwood.

Yet again you are contradicting yourself in your rush to be critical of Bruce.

Garde didn't sign one player mate.. He built lyon with the youth squad when were spending nothing on players at the time playing good football.. Bringing through the likes of lacazette etc. 

Wrong timing of course but didn't see the point of getting rid of a guy who never even built that side.. I even said Bruce should have signings well he's certainly got that 

Something garde never had