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2 minutes ago, lexicon said:

Some seem to think that discussion or debate means 'defend my position at all costs and never concede a point, let alone contemplate changing my mind'.

I don't need to defend my position.. Our league position does that for me 

5 minutes ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

There are 11 games to the end of the season, our trajectory has been trending upwards for the past couple weeks. 

You are putting yourself in a tight spot, since "you didn't expect promotion"", what are you going to latch on to if we finish 7th? lol

The fight for top 6 is well and truly over so there will be nothing to worry about regards to this I am afraid 

24 minutes ago, Eastie said:

Give the man time and he will sort it , a bit of patience is required by some - there is no quick fix or magic wand and any new manager would also expect time to develop his own squad of players - we have appointed a proven manager at this level - maybe he deserves to be given the time to sort things rather than some calling for head so soon.

My main issues with the stability and patience crap quit frankly is this.. He's on a rolling contract.. If he was here for us to be 'patient' then why is he not on a 3-4 year deal? 

It's very evident that he was brought in for the short term only to get us up as quickly as possible namely this season not next season - they wanted him to get into the play offs 

Considering we are 15th i find this patience and stability talk absolutely incredible and rather a big fat excuse by the board who are now saving face 

Rdm was wanted by the owner himself and not Wyness and round... They persuaded him to sack rdm to bring in Bruce... To sack Bruce they would probably be looking at the exit door themselves.. Hence why the goal posts have moved 

19 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said:

Man Utd haven't won the league since Ferguson left, so by your argument what foundation did he did build?

He didn't build a foundation.. But Fergy had his own foundation hence why when he left united are struggling to create another now hence their own mismanagement 

Luckily they can keep getting it wrong due to their large revenue streams 

2 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Right here's my summary on the situation. Bruce is not an inspiring choice of manager, we can all admit that. But he has a track record of getting teams promoted there is no denying that but achieving that in 2 thirds of a season with massive transition in 2 windows was always going to be a tall order. 

So we now see how we end the season. If it's poorly and we just escape relegation then the owners have a big choice to make. If we see improvement game on game and most importantly results improve (which they have) then he will be manager next season so let's just support him hey?

Hi mate 

Well I didn't expect promotion for bruce this season... But what I did expect was a big fight for top 6..His target when appointed was top 6

We are 15th... He's fcked it up 

6 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said:

Nah, like you said yourself, it's just bad foundations by previous managers. We'll see in the future, by your logic, how Bruce is doing. If we sack him and go up, clearly he did a great job. 

You see there is where you and I differ massively 

It's considered a great job getting promoted? Sorry but it is expected and on par with his remit to get promoted.. Abit like it was expected for him to achieve top 6 this season.. 

When you spend man city money the demands for success are higher by default... After all you pay more money for players because they are meant to be a cut above the rest of the of the oppositions players in the league why the hell else would you do it? 

Wagner is doing a great job and Hughton and with 30m net profit so is rafa who has zero knowledge of the championship prior to this season. 

Bruce getting promoted with a club breaking all the records of spend at this level is not a 'great' job 

7 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said:

Surely if Bruce is doing a bad job then, it's the fault of the previous managers? You know, because they didn't build the correct foundations or leave the right legacy for Bruce to take on. 

Yes that's correct... Dean Smith is benefiting from the work Warburton did there at Brentford 

IF Bruce is doing a bad job??? IF 

15th in the league is pathetic so therefore factually Bruce is doing a TERRIBLE job 

6 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said:

Eh? If our odds for promotion were 9/2 last season, then our odds for promotion would be further out. Not more likely. 

Why? We have the promo specialist with the most expensive squad in the league 

Let's just wait and see what the odds will be 

4 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said:

So 6/1 is probably about right

Ay how you work that out.. If this season was never going to happen according to some then surely next season would be more like 2/1

4 minutes ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

Whatever a bookie would give which is probably around 6-1. If you are that confident Bruce can never get us promoted then it's easy money. In fact betfair would let us wager this.

We were like 9/2 this season lol 

So what stake? 

Just now, Vive_La_Villa said:

Maybe because you will get much better on odds on promotion with a bookie. 

Id happily take you up on a bet if the terms made sense. 

What terms would you like mate 

Just now, DCJonah said:

That may be have been a good point if he also wasn't pretty poor under RDM as well. 

He was injured when rdm purchased him 

Rdm got zero time Because round wanted Bruce and not rdm for a manager 

I'd rather have rdm all season than Bruce at least we had a go and got in the lead most games 

14 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said:

Yeah, the greatest manager in English football history isn't very good. OK. 

Unquestionable? Let me know who they are I've yet to see one. Just people getting behind the current manager. Just because we don't post only negative things like yourself, doesn't mean we unquestionably praise. 

Didn't say he was no good did I? Sorry but don't misquote me

He left them in the lurch? Well that is a strong debate among many united fans

There is nothing positive about being 15th in the fizzy pop league nothing 

And there is nothing positive about watching Bruce's negative dire anti football on a weekly basis 

I'll be positive when I can see something positive to be about

Sorry but we are living off our past glory... At the moment we are still an embarrassing state of affairs 

There has been zero to be proud about in the last 7 years and that includes this season 

I can't think of one club who has spent our kind of money to almost be in a relegation scrap.. 

In fact I'd rather watch last season again over this season of getting beaten by chumps sides who cost hardly anything to build 

Ever wondered that rmc didn't want to play negative tripe football under the Dinasour? He seems more than happy smashing the goals in at Fulham.. He's scored for 3 seasons running yet when Bruce turns up he don't wanna know? 

Spending 12m to send him out on loan that same season is more evidence of mismanagement again... 

Clubs 

Huddersfield 

Sunderland 

Wigan 

Birmingham 

Who else? 

I wonder why no club of any worth has even remotely bothered with Bruce? 

His football is utter tripe he plays like the underdog and sets up for a 1-0 win and based on this season it's mainly turned out to be a 1-0 loss especially away from home. These are not foundations for success and never will be 

3 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said:

Because new managers come in and want to build their own thing? 

So basically if Bruce achieves a clubs peak you blame him for the club not being able to get there in the future, when he doesn't, you blame it on him being a bad manager 

That Ferguson bloke must've been really crap then, his lack of foundations have caused Aberdeen and United to stop winning things.

Well alot of united fans actually do think this... He got out at the right time etc.. He also has a massive ego and a united fan on Tuesday night also claimed he did what he did to make him look even more of a genius than he already looked 

The only thing worth laughing at is the apparent unquestionable support Bruce has among alot of villa fans.. 

Standards on the pitch have clearly dropped and standard off the pitch have clearly also dropped 

The promotion specialist is 15th in the league with a 40m net spend side having brought in a load of his own players to help him achieve it. 

His target was play offs of which he completely messed up when it was in his grasp 

And that's what cannot be debated or argued its pure fact 

Stevo 

Where are all his clubs he's managed now? What foundation's did he build there for long term success? Zero

Enough said on that..i applaud the convincing long-winded post above to justify his position but sorry he has never improved a club in the longer term for the best ever

6 minutes ago, TRO said:

I think the supporters of Steve Bruce are being misconstrued by his detractors.

Steve Bruce is not Pep or Jose......but he knows his way around this league.

That is what he was employed for......let's allow him to do his job.

Based on this season clearly not.. We are 15th!!! This is abysmal performance for such a promotion 'specialist' 

His job when he came in was to get top 6 THIS season it was very very clear.. His rolling contract also implies this. 

Now that's not possible the board who employed him in their attempt to save face have moved the goal posts talking about 'stability' blah blah blah bs bs bs

To sack Bruce would mean Wyness has overseen 2 failed appointments and not one success in a relatively short period of time...something I think he's desperate to try and avoid explaining for his own sake. 

He will now make a third mistake by keeping Bruce next season and when it fails he will have cost villa top flight football for years to come I suspect 

7 minutes ago, Wezbid said:

The dinosaur that went up last season with a basket-case owner. 

Didn't stick around to try and keep them up though did he... 

13 minutes ago, Lerner's Driver said:

Don't expect anyone will take your bet because if you lose, you're bound to deny reality, disappear and pick another fight somewhere else for the fun of it. Trump really has such a lot to answer for.

Sorry but on what evidence is that nonsense.. I'm happy to take the bet and find a secure way of doing it if someone else is

The likely answer is nobody is willing to take me up on it... Wonder why 

14 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

Oh this changes everything. You didn't say you were certain. 

Let me take this down to the bank, see how much I can get for it. 

Why wouldn't you be basking in joy if we go up next season? 

I would be happy but my point was... I will take the ribbing on here for saying no chance with the dinasour 

Bruce has never ultimately improved any club ever... He's an awful manager a complete of date dinasour and not fit to be villa manager just like most of the last 7 years 

Don't put up win % in the prem vs win % in the bloody fizzy pop league this is embarrassing to be honest the prem is a cut above anything  in the chumps so 38% win ratio in the prem is way way better than 38% win rate in the chumps. 

Bruce won't get another prem job in his career I'm certain of it... And even if he does its because one of his mates like Steve round will give him a job after we eventually sack the pair of them if the owner had any sense 

The only thing bruce has is his promotions.. But he scraped his last one by the skin of his teeth via play offs with hull with a squad the cost a fortune to build. 

It's so sad to see some fans low standards for villa these days thinking the answer is an out of date tactically inept dinasour it really is. 

I firmly believe Bruce will mess next season up just like how he messed up this one.. And you can all bask in the joy if I'm wrong but I'm willing to wager 200 quid to anyone who thinks we will get up next season under Bruce 

Just now, kurtsimonw said:

and therefore had Premier League players, Bruce (and RdM) had Championship players.

You are joking aren't you.. 70% of lambert buys were lower league... 

Sorry this comparison is just a non starter