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1 minute ago, Stevo985 said:

You think?

He said it before a game where he played one up front? And then played one up front for the 3 games after that?

Seems strange.

He was losing that many games b admitted it was the wrong thing to do so he ssaid he is going back to the formation that won us games... But he insists he will always play 2 up top and that will never change because that's what he has done for 20 years. 

Hes played one up top because he feel he has to 

Again a complete dinasour who doesn't understand the modern game..

9 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

Is that a real quote? Probably not. I guess it doesn't matter  

Yea he said it in a press conference before derby I think 

I'm still not hearing his other qualities folks amongst all the words I'm looking at

I'm not putting my point across I'm asking to be persuaded.. Again I'm open to your thoughts

8 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

I mean it literally does make it a lie, in so much as it isn't the truth.

The funny thing is, I'm actually not very defensive of Bruce. I'm happy for him to have the rest of this season because we're safe from relegation but I'm completely unsure whether he's the right man for next season. I'm unhappy with how we've performed on the whole since Christmas and I'm waiting for him to convince me that he can turn it round.

What I am defensive of is people spouting lies in any thread and using it as "evidence". It gets on my nerves. Unfortunately you are so adamantly against Bruce that you see anything other than total agreement that everything Bruce has ever done in his whole life is negative as some sort of unwavering support of the manager. 

Literally its not.. It's an exaggerated comment.. That's what it is 

If you have doubts about  Bruce I havent seen them recently.. So I can't comment all I can see is you completely backing him to the hilt to be honest 

Is it based on recent results.? Do you flip flop when he wins a game then loses? Seem it. I was skeptical from the start.. When he started he made me think maybe he isn't as bad as I feared.. Then he got his own way in Jan and screwed up our chances of getting out this league this season.. So it cemented my concerns and now he should be shown the exit door end of the season.. Next season will only be harder for us not easier.. He's proven he makes far too many mistakes these days.. Football has moved on and unfortunately for bruce he hasn't moved with it and never will.. Proven by his own words 'I'll always play 2 up top and that will never change' says it all even though the only success he's actually had is when we have had only one up top.. Incredible 

1 minute ago, Lerner's Driver said:

You see, this answer of yours it what infuriates people so much. Your style of discourse is blinkered to such an extent that not only do you continue to stick to your inflexible and monotonously expressed point, but you also wrongly accuse others of doing exactly what you are doing.

You attract criticism not really for the substance of what you say, though that is also questionable, but rather the way you say it. Stevo and others have repeatedly stated that they remain undecided about Bruce, which is actually how we should all feel about every manager all of the time, not just Bruce or Do Matteo or Wagner, all of them.

This is the logical, sensible position to take where you see good and bad in everything. There is no absolute perfect answer in football or life and yet some, like you, insist that there is. You are wrong and it's your failure to see this which winds people up so much.

Continue doing so in a deliberate way and you may just find your freedom of speech curtailed. A little humility goes a long way in good debate.

You mean you don't commit to a proper opinion on Bruce so when he messes up you can slide off that other side of the fence and say hello he was crap see I was right all along.. Or if he gets us up you can come down on like  ton of bricks to folks who don't rate him and say the same thing? 

Sorry but this don't wash with me I see right through it 

It's clear as day by the responses I'm getting that Bruce is getting massive defence based on past glory rather than what he is actually achieving at villa which is a disgraceful league position playing disgraceful football 

I've asked the question twice now to disprove your point.. I'm happy to sit back and hear all the reason why Bruce is a good appointment if you take away talking about just promotions.. What other qualitys does the guy possess? 

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Although Bruce had the largest transfer budget in the division made available to him,^[135] Birmingham made a slow start to the 2006–07 season in the Championship and, after a 1–0 defeat at home to Norwich City, the team's fifth consecutive match without a win, there were calls from fans and local journalists for the manager to be sacked.^[136][137] Bruce publicly accepted responsibility for the team's poor run and admitted that he feared for his job,^[

Here is my other lie I said about bruce having funds before which people claim he did not on here.. Many others you can use too 

Again I'm open to ideas and evidence.. Promotions aside 

What does Bruce offer that makes his appointment justified? 

27 minutes ago, Stevo985 said:

There you go again with your made up points.

He has one promotion from this league.

I thought he had 2 from memory.. Either way he has been promoted like many other managers... 

25 minutes ago, markavfc40 said:

How is that the case under Xia? We spent a lot of money last summer overhauling the squad. Results were poor and two months into the season we sacked the manager. Hardly accepting mediocrity.

We then employed the manager with the best CV going in terms of getting clubs promoted. A man with recent success. Again hardly accepting mediocrity.

In January we again made major changes to the squad bringing in some very highly rated players at this level. Again hardly accepting mediocrity.

The aim next season is promotion. To be one of the best three clubs in the division. This has clearly been stated. I am sure to help achieve that whilst I don’t expect many changes to the squad three or four changes will be made and whatever money needed will be spent.

On paper for me we already have one of the best squads in the division and with minimal changes over the summer I am confident it will be one good enough to achieve promotion. They will also be being managed by a man with a great record in terms of getting clubs promoted. As a collective they will have had the time together this season and a full pre season behind them

I see no accepting of mediocrity anywhere at the club. I see an ambitious, enthusiastic owner with it seems the means and where with it all to back it up. I see an experienced CEO, I see a highly qualified technical director, I see an experienced manager with a great record in terms of achieving our main aim at the moment and I see an excellent group of individual players for this level. What the club have, rightly in my opinion, decided is that it all needs a little longer than 5 months to come together, for a group of individuals to evolve into a team and that some stability at the club is the final key to success.

This would be valid if Bruce suffered the same fate but he hasn't has he 

Rdm was sacked too early to prove either bad or good he at least shown signs of the ability to dominate sides.

We are now 15th when we used to be 4 points away from the play offs under the same manager and he is still here.. Hoping his promotions bear fruit when in reality our team looks just average at best on the field 

Other than just promotions can anyone provide any signs or evidence of him being right for us long term and short? 

There are managers every season which get promoted.. Norwich manager has 2 promotions to his name.. Big deal should we get him too? 

6 hours ago, kurtsimonw said:

Exactly. There's a couple in here I've blocked. Not because I disagree with them, but they are posters who 1) can't debate and 2) aren't even willing to. It's just "THIS IS MY OPINION I THINK IT THEREFORE IT IS FACT EVEN WHEN ITS PROVEN NOT TO BE FACT FINGERS IN EARS NANANANA I CANT HEAR YOU"

The irony of this statement is that you and a few others are doing exactly that when I challenge your thinking 

All I'm hearing is... Bruce has promotions on his cv Bruce has promotions therefore he's a great manager and deserves 10 seasons to get it right 

In investing past results are not a guarantee of future returns.. In sales you are only as good as the current performance not the year before. 

I couldn't care less about his promotions quite frankly half of them were by the skin of his teeth anyhow 

This season he's as good as the league position and that's 15th. 

Losing 5 in a row against poor sides in the division.. Playing dire football.. Making no changes when losing games hoping for something to change or hoping to get lucky in a game... Doesn't do tactics 

You are ignoring all these recent realitys for us and this has all happened THIS season. 

I understand the logic of his promotions.. But quite frankly that's all you have to come at me with... I have a whole list of bad things is he's done just this season which warrants him losing his job 

6 minutes ago, ThunderPower_14 said:

Continuing the revolving door of managers isn't going to see us improve.

 

You need time to build something, and Bruce knows how to get to the Premier League from this division. It certainly wont just happen because "we're Aston Villa, we're a big club". Nobody else gives a shit about how big a club we are. It will happen because we choose the right manager and back him in over the long terms

 

More importantly, Bruce doesn't have to be the manager that we win the Champions League with. We're not going to attract a truly world class manager while we're in the Championship and turning over managers like nobody's business. Our club is recovering from being utterly broken from top to bottom. Bruce is capable of getting us out of this division, and when he does we'll give him a run at the Premier League and then move him on if he's not suitable

Actually continuing to employ managers who are not good for us is not going to work...

Bruce is not the right manager for the long term and especially not in the prem so why not look for a manager that can be good enough for both? Newcastle kept rafa for this division why can't we if we are the bigger club? 

You know why Bruce is such a poor appointment? Because it completely divided the fans 

When was the last time we all could properly get behind a manager that was good for us? 

That's when you know the right managerial appointment is made 

8 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said:

Nice rant but back to my question. 

I answered.. 

1 minute ago, Villan_of_oz said:

The question is if we have good season under bruce will you be able to change your overly committing thoughts?

You see my view is not based on just being promoted as I'm not as short sighted as that...its not all about promotion believe it or not it's about sustainable methods that you can build upon

It's job done and fair play Bruce you did your job if he actually gets us up considering our level of investment..  Then it's bye Bruce go back to the second tier with someone else Becuase you are not good enough for the top flight... Harsh maybe but it's a necessity if we want to evolve 

3 minutes ago, a m ole said:

Since his appointment, that is where Aston Villa would be in the league table.

I'll entertain this for one post 

11th in the chumps is fckin garbage still by the way for us considering investment levels vs other teams

2 minutes ago, Lerner's Driver said:

This a new low, even for you - you're not even bothering to rearrange the order of your bilge now, you are literally just repeating yourself. Tell me, what do you think of Steve Bruce?

No the low thing is saying 'Bruce' is 11th in a desperate attempt to justify his position 

When he doesn't get us up next season... I'm sure alot of peope who are not overly committing with their thoughts will soon change their tune 

Bruce is 11th Hahahahhahaha haha fckin absolute classic hahaha 

Bruce is 11th Hahahahhahaha haha fckin absolute classic hahaha 

Yea my prediction we lose 1-0 and we hear the famous Bruce excuse of 'unlucky' 

4 minutes ago, kurtsimonw said:

Table don't lie, he was the bottom few in the league with less than a point per game, with a net spend that dwarfed Bruce's. Awful manager. 

15th after how many games with Bruce?

Rdm had 11 games playing better football and hardly any time with his own squad 

Bruce is the awful manager 

You know what we will see next season under bruce? 

More of the same boring dire dull negative anti football that no fan wishes to see 

It's no coincidence the best teams also play the more entertaining football 

2 minutes ago, Mjvilla said:

I think it's more to do with the constant changing of argument... to be proved wrong, to move onto something else... to be proved wrong. To then tell us some complete conjecture about next season and then to say 'we're 15th, Bruce **** up' put together a well-reasoned, though out argument and I'm sure you will have people's ears.

Sorry that's not right at all.. Proven 'wrong' can't see one element of that

People come across as Bruce can do no wrong but rdm has done alot wrong which is complete nonsense 

I'd rather we kept rdm 

Ignore button because I challenge your thinking 

Amazing stuff 

Rdm had a pre season? Rdm had a massive job in the pre season to sort out and he didn't have a full one at thst either 

Most his signings were at the end of the transfer window also like kodja etc.. Rmc was also late 

Incredible statement

 And to add he should have had at least had till Jan to show what he could do... 

I'd have rdm over Bruce any day.. At least we attacked sides 

Why do people keep comparing rdm? He had hardly any time half his players were injured for half his games and he was badly unlucky in the last few mins of games... There is alot more evidence of rdm turning us around the Bruce.. Bruce lost 5 games in a row vs rdm who lost late goal in almost 5 games from winning positions 

Bruce benefited from this in his early stages then when he decided to brucify us with this boring 352 he put us in a relegation scrap 

Rdm had all the mess to sort out Bruce has it way easier