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7 hours ago, StanBalaban said:

The interesting thing is that you can see that had Bruno not skied his shot, Emi would definitely have caught it anyway.

Ftfy

4 minutes ago, maqroll said:

I'm irritated that we didn't sign this boy. 

Seems like we tried. Wonder what the stumbling block was eventually

25 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said:

I don't think a single fan thinks he has done everything perfectly since he's been here.

What some of us find weird is there's still so much 'constructive criticism' of past seasons getting posted immediately after our 2nd victory against Utd in over 20 years.

For some people there is a stigma attached to changing your mind and admitting an error. Overwhelming evidence that opposes their position leads to a subconscious need to redefine the parameters of the discussion in order for them to be able to tell themselves they are still correct.

Smith has been condemned to failure because of one (often imaginary) unconquerable shortfall or another more times than I can count. Each time he has proved the claim wrong. The steadfast inability to change stance will mean this will continue to happen however far he takes us.

44 minutes ago, Exeter Fan Too said:

important games coming up; a chance to get back in to the England squad with Calvert - Lewin still out injured. But needs to show some current form to get picked alongside Kane and ..erm... Bamford

I think it's actually better to be in bad form to get in the squad. Watkins was in a lull when he got called up while Bamford was firing and then this time round Bamford was struggling and Ings was flying and he got his call up. Basically from what I can see Southgate likes to pick strikers out of form.

3 minutes ago, WHY said:

If Smith says he’s hopeful he will be back after the international break, that means we won’t see him this side of Christmas 

Or that he'll play this weekend. That's the trick, understate the seriousness 1/3 of the time, tell the truth 1/3 and overstate it 1/3 and bam, the injury updates are actually less useful than blind guesses.

Nakamba? Really?

2 hours ago, bobzy said:

For context, he's played a whopping 132 minutes of football this season (68 minutes in League One and 64 minutes in the League Cup).  

Really does give context to likely accuracy of the analysis there. They've formed their opinion so quickly they would fit right in on here.

3 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

What's that silver thing they are lifting called?

I think it's Derby County FC's death sentence.

14 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

AVFC invested 100m in players in the last window. This is investment of the 100m was spent on new assets that AVFC intends to get value from. It is irrelevant where the 100m came from whether that be the disposable of a different asset, commercial revenue, loan or equity investment. 

We'll have to agree to disagree. I can't agree that spending £90m and receiving £114m is an investment of £100m.

6 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said:

20/21 accounts are not published yet,

It’s on page 7 of 19/20 , under post balance sheet events. 
 

Thanks. So these are net figures totaling ~£260m. According to transfermarkt we are £25m in the green this season for a total of £235m over 3 seasons. That seems like a reasonable figure to me.

4 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said:

Page 2 and 7

Sorry I had already found the first figure. I can't find the second one (£109m). I can't find the 20/21 accounts at all in fact.

3 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said:

£80-90 was spent on player aqusitions this summer. Obv not "net" spend.

I think we can settle that gross spend was over £350m and net spend ~£250m

Gross spend is a different thing to investment which is what we were talking about originally.

I'm happy to agree a total investment figure with a source. Transfermarkt says £205m.

If you can point me to the figures on the accounts on CH I would be grateful.

Just now, Czarnikjak said:

If you don't want to go through full accounts Swiss Ramble has a good summary: 

I am happy to go through the full accounts to find the figures. I can't see the figures quoted in the full accounts though. Can you point me to the right page?

4 minutes ago, Czarnikjak said:

I estimate another 80-90m was spent this Summer. Adding up pretty closely to the £350m figure.

The source is published on Companies Houses, if you would like to check yourself.

I only used the source suggested. Also can you provide a link to the first two figures. I can't see them looking through the full published accounts on CH.

Also you think the net amount invested this summer was £80-90m? How have you reached this figure? Taking into account sales?

5 minutes ago, Peter Griffin said:

No problem. Also, in the interest of objectivity, why did you add the word 'net' to my comment? 

Because I suspected that was where the bulk of the inaccuracy was coming from. Net investment is actually a tautology as investment is always putting into something, so only the net figure is investment.

Eg. If I sell my car for £10k and buy a new one for £5k I haven't invested £5k in my vehicles, I've actually divested £5k from my vehicles.

Similarly, Villa haven't invested about £100m this summer, they've actually divested about £24m (according to transfermarkt).

I now see from your figures that they are all gross spend figures (although we started with so few assets in the squad the first two figures aren't far off investment figures), each rounded (always upwards and heavily) and then added together to compound the rounding into one mega rounding. At that point I think the figure has lost any meaning.

Transfermarkt sourced figure for total investment in the last 3 PL seasons: £205.12m. Obviously this figure is not as exact as the two decimal places would imply but I think it's reasonable to say the investment has actually been about £205m.

Considering we started with a squad (of 13 players) worth £63m and now have one worth £367m (both figures from transfermarkt) I think it's fair to say NSWE have got a great ROI while also seeing the club go forward every season. Not an easy feat imho.

1 minute ago, Peter Griffin said:

And no bias there?

Look at the basic facts. From midtable in the Championship to midtable in the PL in 3 seasons with the aid of about 350m invested in players. That would be the expected delivery from any manager given the job. If any manager failed to deliver that then they would have been sacked. Objectivity really does help the quality of discussion.

In the interest of objectivity could you please explain where the figure of £350m net investment has come from. I can't find a reliable source that would suggest a figure anywhere near that.

20 minutes ago, mole86 said:

Each to their own but this is probably one of the weirdest opinions I’ve ever read on here, absolutely mental. 

Our players don't need coaching. Outstanding.

Example: Austin MacPhee turns up and our set pieces noticeably improve.

Conclusion: The players (who don't need coaching) were so incensed by the addition of a specific coach (who will just sit inside and not coach them) that they decided to try harder at set pieces just to prove they didn't need him.

I think we've sussed it.

58 minutes ago, Johnnyp said:

He might not be feeling it but he should play for Poland. He won’t have a hope of forging out a career as an England right back. Poland are pretty decent, they’ve come looking for him. They’ll qualify for world cups and euros. 

From a Villa perspective I'd rather he just played for us and took the summer breaks to recover. The football schedule is gruelling now, seems almost inevitable players will get more injuries and any breaks will help with that.

I remember it being alluded to that he was the one that thought he was fine when he tested positive and eventually ended up bedridden with it. Glad he's over it and back to his best. Hope a new contract is agreed soon.

It's weird that a supporters group would be against a call to get more support in the ground for the team they supposedly support. Seems like they're more of a Man City Supporters support group than a Man City Supporters group. Support.

5 minutes ago, sne said:

Do they have any sell on clause or did they do a Xia and cash in on it to make a quick buck? Might be quite a bit of money for a club like them when he's sold. 

They sold the future installments due to them of the original 22m fee for 80% of their value for cashflow I think. Not sure if they sold the sell on clause, most likely Dortmund are the only ones who would buy it.

I've got Salah, Lukaku and Ronaldo (and TAA, Shaw, Antonio, Torres). Rest of my squad is naff though.

Tbh I only have all 3 because I played my wildcard and forgot to finalise my team and settle on 2 of them on Saturday morning.

I'll probably have to spend 4 this week to shift Antonio and rebalance my team a bit.

3 hours ago, BOF said:

Sitting at 2,914 overall with no-one left to play. That'll plummet today but I'm uncomfortable being that high

Without using a chip or wildcard as well. Probably top 250 of people that haven't used any of them.

I need my 4.5 fodder Allan to score 4 to catch you.

Rafinha and Thiago looked like they could have surpassed the Laudrups about 10 years ago but they never did.

Socrates and Rai is a great shout, arguably actually better than the Laudrups.