Brumstopdogs

Sounds like Spurs have just got a new sponsor...Viagra

Their only chance of getting past a semi this season :oops:

I think the tots (including their fans who were quiet) really underestimated Pompey.

Although by the sound of it (like in our last 2 Wembley matches) the referee did them no favours.

Just hoping we can beat Pompey next week as this result will give them a massive boost :shock:

Gutted!

Thought we did ok up to the first goal and then we ran out of ideas because we had to take the game to them.

We seem to put the ball into an area in the box rather than aiming it to someone in particular which is frustrating!

Poor tactics from MON. Chelsea had used 3 subs by the time we made our first. Would have loved to have seen Delph and Delf on the pitch at 1-0 with their energy but all we got was Heskey. Uninspiring and not going to change the game or get you a goal.

First we got done over by Phil Dowd and now Howard Webb! Better teams don't need any help but they seem to get it. Joke!

As for the Villa fans very good support and deserved better. Heard Chelsea's first song when they scored - plastics!

UTV - we lost to a good team who hopefully will go on and win the cup!

There was me thinking a certain Arsenal were in the football league at the time - must have been a different club to the London based one! Or maybe we've just won 6 more in total of the main 2 competitions than Tottenham and your argument has been sliced apart again

Interesting that Tottenham, a smaller amateur club, (at the time) who have been regarded as one of the top teams in the country 1 time outside 1950 to 1963 were weaker than Arsenal even then! (the southern Arsenal that is - not the northern one)

Cheers for going to the trouble SimplySpurfect - glad to see the message is getting clearer we've won more majors and bigger (400% more of the main 2)

Now our superior history has been confirmed - what do you make of the future for Spurs?

There was me thinking we'd actually won more of both the main competitions since Spurs were a professional club as well

Someone get Spurs to update their website - it must be lying.

As for professional football Spurs have made a solid 36th place

http://www.rsssf.com/tablese/engprof-alltime.html

Sorry mate you're on the wrong site to spread any Spurs propaganda. We've won more major trophies, won bigger and been superior for 86 out of your 128 years. As much as you try and defend your buddy really it is not going to change that overall (the key measure the real world looks at) we've trumped you big time

Spurs have still won 2 league titles and no European Cup and spent about 4 in 10 of the top flight years as a non top flight side

4-1 Chelsea!

General, I'm in a similar position in that if it goes down to a lower booking history there is no way I will be able to get to the ground to pick up tickets (I live over 100 miles from the ground too!)

Do you know what the club will be doing to ensure these fans can still get tickets?

And then the true and complete facts about Spurs in the main 2 competitions:

Tottenham:

League: 2 winners and 4 runner ups (6)

European Cup: 0 wins.

Overall 86 out of 128 years to Villa in totality (not fudged ala Glaston)

Usual Guff

only 2 league titles.....ever

Huddersfield Town have won more

Nuff said

Have Spurs really only won the league twice?!?

That's crazy, how can they call themselves a "big club" if that is the case??

We all know it and most other fans know it!

They were also runners up a whopping 4 times - I think the last one was back before England won the World Cup though

To be fair to them they've spent 47 years as a non top flight team so maybe comparing the 2 main competitions isn't fair

Fair play to Everton in recent weeks though as they play some decent stuff and always finish strongly.

I won't be confident of finishing above them until it's mathematically impossible for them to finish above us after they caught us up and overtook us so late last season!

I'd be surprised if he does start to be honest as he didn't against us or United.

The only possible weakness I can see is their right back Ferreira. You'll notice Young set up the goal from that side when we played them and Nani also set the goal up from there.

Overall though they are pretty awesome!

If we give it our all then I for one will be proud of the players. We can beat them but I just don't think we will. No shame in that though!

What do people think are Chelsea's weaknesses?

Everton don't need to pretend they've got history. We all know Spurs history really starts in 1950 (as they did little before that) but it tails off by about the close of 1974 where we picked our game up and continued being more successful

A quick and complete comparison across the 2 main competitions!

Villa:

League: 7 winners and 10 runner ups (17)

European Cup: 1 win.

Years as a top flight club: 110

Everton:

League: 9 winners and 7 runner ups (16)

European Cup: 0 wins.

Years as a top flight club: 118

Tottenham:

League: 2 winners and 4 runner ups (6)

European Cup: 0 wins.

Years as a top flight club: 75

As you can see Villa and Everton have the history to back up the talk and hence there is a mutual respect. Spurs, on the other hand, have a long way to go in the biggies but have possibly done better in some of the smaller more peripheral competitions

We'll ignore the all time records and replace them with the Glaston version! (strange he didn't start from 1975 or the premier league era where we've outperformed Spurs in the league and in competitions won)

Or alternatively the complete picture that overwhelms anything you can say:

86 years out of 128 the superior club!

Won 400% more of the main 2 trophies! (both more recently - Spurs still not come even 2nd in the main 2 for over 45 years!)

Outperformed Spurs in both the main competitions!

Won more major trophies than Spurs!

It's not our fault we were bigger than you when you preferred to be an amateur club! Some things never change

I agree with BOF. The reality is when Spurs fans come on a Villa site and give it the "bigun" as happens quite regularly then you're going to come off second best.

Any talk of "we've done this" and "we've done that" will always be trumped by the fact that Villa have outperformed Spurs in the main 2 competitions and done better than you overall.

So, if Spurs fans do want to come on here, the least they should do is respect they're coming on a more succesful club's board

Decent at times? You mean apart from the 86 years out of 128 when we have been their superiors

Sorry, I shouldn't look at the complete picture - it's just too accurate

To be honest I think that is harsh on Everton!

They have a far superior history to Spurs!

7 more league titles and I believe over 30 more top flight seasons!

The bottom line is that overall Villa have been superior to Tottenham - it's just a fact over your complete history:

86 years out of 128 superior to Spurs!

Won more major trophies!

Outperformed Spurs in the main 2 competitions!

Won more of the main 2 trophies!

So history wise it's an argument no Spurs fan can ever win however I think if it's a debate about what might happen in the future then that's a different story.

Maybe, to give you a fighting chance we should stick to looking forwards

I think the best bit is that we've been superior to Tottenham for 86 years out of their 128 year history (over 2 in every 3 years in Villa's favour), outperformed them in the main 2 competitions, won more of the main 2 competitions as well as winning more major trophies.

I'm not surprised that winds him up because probably in his deluded mind he had thought Spurs had done better before the reality of the complete situation was told.

Maybe he should have picked on Huddersfield. Second thoughts, even they have won more top flight league titles than Spurs!

Don't forget they've been one of the top two teams in the country a whopping 6 times though!

We've only managed 17!

Maybe Spurs are embarrassed about their earlier years because New Brompton and Chatham Town finished above them!

To be fair if we played in a league that is now the 10th tier (like Spurs did!!!) we might try and pretend it didn't happen!

The bit of your post where your point falls apart is from 1908! Although saying that we've finished above you more often in the main competition from that date anyway and spent more years as a top flight side and won more of the main 2 competitions combined from that date!

Back to the reality, you were founded in 1882 not 1908! Sorry, you were'nt as big as Arsenal for many of those years who were happily mixing it with us big boys! The records don't sadly start from when you want them to although I give you marks for believing Spurs are that important that they should do!

The complete book:

86 years out of 128 superior to Spurs!

Won more major trophies!

Outperformed Spurs in the main 2 competitions!

Won more of the main 2 trophies!

Moving the goalposts will not change that for you I'm afraid but nice try!

As for the comment about Villa fans having a constant air of superiority then why shouldn't we?

Since Spurs were founded we've been the superior club for 86 out of your 128 years (67% of your history), won more major trophies, and outperformed you in the 2 main competitions.

Overall we've been better than you for over 2 in every 3 years!

As has been pointed out several times before, a large proportion of Villa's trophies were won in the Victorian era, when the league structure was tiny and most of today's clubs, including Spurs, were not even in it.

In the majority of each of the decades since then Villa have won fewer trophies than Spurs - thus your claim that Villa have "been the superior club for 86 out of your 128 years" is partisan nonsense.

We've been better than Spurs since the year the Vietnam War ended (1975) winning more competitions, the bigger competitions and finishing above you more often.

We've been better than Spurs in the premier league era winning more and finishing above you more often.

Anyway, all that's doing is moving the goalposts like you have been doing and it's not something I really need to do as it just nullifies any moving the goalpost statement you can make.

What is factual though is that since Tottenham were founded we've been superior based on the status of the main competition at the time for 86 years out of 128!

1882-1888 - the top competition was the FA Cup and each season we finished in a higher position (7-0 to Villa)

1888-2009 - the top competition was the league and in 79 out of 121 years we've been the club in the higher position

In totality therefore it's 86 years out of 128, we've won more major trophies and won bigger! In the main 2 competitions Spurs haven't even come 2nd since black and white TV!

You were good between 1950-1974 though. It's just the rest you've been second best! Spurs not being big enough and not following the lead of Arsenal in the earlier years is your problem not ours!

In totality, the measure that overwhelms any thing you can say, we're superior and have been since your foundation!