Deisler123

31 minutes ago, hogso said:

God knows what those others are using as an online translator, the amatuerish 'Google Translate' no doubt. Here is what the text actually says from a proper translation service.

The recent personal experience British unscrupulous media lip service level more than China. People know that the British media dog Chai originated when and who is the father?

Hogso, unscrupulous is a good word there. Not sure about 'Dog Chai' tho....

I think my translation is proper-er. 

Only joking 

59 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said:

Think it says  "The forking British media are all words removed"

Exactly!

1 hour ago, villan-scott said:

 I think the point may be that clubs from the Chinese Super League wouldn't want them, more than their capability of playing there. I can't see many clubs queuing for them. 

They can buy as may as they want - but they can only register limited number of foreign players.

1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said:

Despite how shit they are, I'm fairly certainly they could play in the Chinese top flight!

Sure, I didn't doubt on if they are good enough to play in Chinese top league. They are certainly good enough, for the clubs in the lower half of the table (not the top clubs IMHO).

but now they may find it very hard to get a contract in Chinese Super league .

Reasons are:

1) There are only 3 non-asian foreigners who can play on the pitch - and all clubs use their 3 tickets on Strikers/wingers/Box-to-box/central mid. Only a few clubs have non-asian defenders in their squad (because it is economically not worth).

2) Chinese clubs always favor Brazilian and East European footballers (such as ex-Yugoslavia countries) (because of the success of players from those countries in the past). 80% of the non-asian football players are from those countries. 

3) Paul Gascoigne's story had a quite negative influence in China - although both he and his club in China were not completely innocent. 

9 minutes ago, rubberman said:

Yep - suggested this in the transfer speculation thread yesterday.  #notitk  Makes complete sense and if he owns both clubs I'm sure there are apprenticeships and exchanges etc that can circumvent some of the fees.

Imagine a minibus to China with Gabby, Richards, Lescott and Richardson leaving in a few weeks.  Happy days.

If you don't mind me being completely honest, all names you have mentioned will not get any offers from the clubs in the super league in China.

In the second division, maybe - But I doubt it. 

1 hour ago, villan-scott said:

I wonder which category he will fall into on the Deisler Chinese Owner Scale (should trademark that @Deisler123)?

Type 5 in the UK and China?

I think Xia will be somewhere between Type 2 and Type 5, depending on how rich he is and if Villa can return back to PL asap (in 1st attempt).

The longer it takes Villa to return back to PL, the less financial confidence and beliefs Xia may have on Villa.

PS: There is no news at all about him wanting to buy a club in China. No one wants to sell Super league clubs at the moment - perhaps he can buy a club in the 2nd division and build up from that.

It is highly possible that Xia is aiming to buy a club in India - for his business development in India.

16 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said:

He shouldn't be too far off his required points in another year or so as long as he plays most of the vitesse games including europa league ties & establishes himself in the chinese national team.

If you need more than 4 points...

2 points - The value of the transfer fee being paid for the player is between the 50th and 75th % of all transfers to Premier League clubs in the previous 2 windows

2 points - The wages being paid to the player by the applicant club are between the 50th and 75th % of all the top 30 earners at the club

1 point - The player’s current club has played in the group stages or onwards of the Champions League, Europa League or the Copa Libertadores within the last 12 months and the player has played in 30% or more of the available domestic league minutes

4 points to get the one lad below (on the left) will see a guaranteed pay-off. Arguably the best Chinese player now (24 yo)

Of course the other two would do too!

8 minutes ago, Jareth said:

We're disadvantaged when it comes to work permits... 

Not if the player has played in the top league in EU for a few years, or the transfer fee is over 10M.

IMO, (ofc I am a little biased), an investment on Zhang will see huge profit (after Villa returns back to PL).

But in Zhang's case it is difficult to sell him back to China with premium transfer fee. His father is a millionaire, who has said a few times in front of media that his son will not return back to Chinese super league because of money in the near future.

2 minutes ago, LakotaDakota said:

It would not be easy to get them over here but Zhang Yuning is 19, just breaking into the national team as a forward and is currently playing for Vitesse Arnhem in Holland (only played 9 games, scoring 3 goals)

Nice to see you have mentioned Zhang. He is indeed a very talented player. 

I watched 10+ Vitesse's games in the last few months - Compared to Chelsea's top youth scorer Dominic Solanke, Zhang is as good, maybe even better.

more and more news coming out in the last couple of hours, all pointing to RDM as the manager for Villa next seaon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3611434/Roberto-Di-Matteo-inching-closer-named-Aston-Villa-manager.html

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-manager-latest-update-11391988

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/roberto-di-matteo-set-aston-8059781

http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/26/roberto-di-matteo-on-the-verge-of-being-appointed-aston-villa-manager-5907335/

Sounds like the deal almost done to me

Quote

Roberto Di Matteo is on the brink of taking over at Aston Villa after further talks with chairman Steve Hollis today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/26/roberto-di-matteo-on-brink-of-being-appointed-aston-villa-manage/

15 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

Xia: How about a free season ticket and free beer at VP?

Clippit: hmmmm... let me think

8 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said:

Deisler123 - the AVTV is not very good - needs improving.  Lots of short videos of player interviews, highlights, pre-match shows, press conferences

A good history is available on Youtube. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMzCb8sfo1A

Thanks, Gary. Will watch it, albeit a very old one - 1989. Will post the link to chinese fan site and I am sure some translation groups will be interested in working on that, once the take over is approved by FA.

It would make a lot sense if Villa can make use things like AVTV or online streaming websites in the first season, as there is very little coverage about English Championships football in China.

Hey guys, just noticed AVFC has its only TV Channel (or more like a video platform?).

Has this TV channel had any documentaries about the history of Villa (I mean the whole history- ups and downs, rather than just the highlights), the legends in the club history etc...

PS: there seems to one on youtube that BBC made in 1989. Any latest ones?

Just now, Dr_Pangloss said:

How about someone who isn't practically fossilised.

OK, then. SAF it is.

3 minutes ago, Barney_avfc said:

You might be right, but I was thinking more along the lines of a Phil Scolari, Sven Goran Ericsson type appointment. 

Interestingly, they are both in China now. They were almost sacked by clubs a few weeks ago. Now their are safer now after a few wins.

How about Marcelo Lippi then? who also has had direct link with China and Chinese owners

2 hours ago, Sam3773 said:

Not sure if this optimistic page has been posted but it gives the closest hint I've seen at how much he company's worth:

http://www.s-3.ch/en/home/2015/10/27/the-chinese-company-recon-s3-have-signed-a-strategic-cooperation-agreement-to-develop-low-cost-orbit-satellite-delivery

 

That's not a banana in my pocket.

Ahha, I think I found where all information that has been questioned in the last week came from.

There is a link in the webpage (S3) to Recon Chinese website.

 http://www.reconig.com/htm/11.htm 

The last paragraph, first few sentences:

关于联合睿康集团（RECON）：是一家业务遍布全球的智慧经济产业及资本运营集团，集团旗下包括智慧城市、智能制造和装备、健康农业、智慧物流及新能源交通、智慧旅游及金融投资6大完整产业平台，22个独立品牌及百余家独立运营企业。通过控股中国A股及海外五家上市公司及参股十余家产业生态链相关上市公司，资产规模超过1000亿，业务覆盖中国500个城市和1/3以上的城市人口.....

Let me try my best to translate accurately:

About RECON: it is a capital-running group that focuses on smart economy industry and has business across the globe. The group include: Smart City, Smart manufacturing and equipment, Healthy Agriculture, Smart Logistics and new energy transport, Smart Tourism, as well as financial investment which are our 6 main and complete product platforms; 22 standalone brands and over 100 standalone companies. THROUGH STAKE HOLDINGS, it controls 5 listed company in China and overseas and participates (in stakeholding) in more than 10 listed companies. The group has more than 100 billion CNY (approx. 10 billion GBP), and our business covers 500 cities and over 1/3 population in China,

So, RECON indeed claimed that they have 5 listed companies. 

There seems to be incorrect information that Forbes has published a few days ago

I checked some information on Chinese Stock Market, I am convinced that at least two listed companies in China are controlled by Xia, which are 000662 (in Shenzhen Market) and 600186 (Lotus health, in Shanghai market). However Forbes claimed Xia is only in control of 1, which is 600186.

Something is wrong, but whom is wrong remains to be seen....

7 minutes ago, 007√ said:

Completely untrue, in the regard that writing skills are more important than how well you speak English. Its the complete opposite. I'm in my Masters program at Stanford and have negotiated international contracts worth millions and hold million dollar portfolio's for my company that I work for. Many of my clientele all can speak pretty well English, at least for business proficiency. But when it comes to writing and drawing up deals/idea's, they are not so well off, but nothing that a little spell check can't fix, its just the  sentence structure and different terms they use for certain words are way off the mark.

What you said in my opinion, quite rightly, applies to subjects that involve more communication, as traditionally classified as 'soft science'.

However, in 'hard science' such as Maths, Physics and Chemistry, writing skills are more important (for scientific publication purpose). 

9 minutes ago, backofthenet said:

yeah i get what your saying an given that i failed basic french however millenia ago it was when i went to school id expect someone with a havard masters who spent alot of time in the US to be a little better versed

We need to take into account the fact that the degree he did in the US is a research degree. I got my PhD in an English-speaking country too, and I know writting skills are more important than how well you speak English.

12 minutes ago, JPAngel said:

I've been pronouncing it "shee-ah". Is that right or am I butchering it?

Or to make it even easier, it has almost the identical pronounciation as 'Xa' of 'Xavier' (ex Barca player) or 'Xabi' (current Bayern Munich player) in Spanish. Sh-ee-a (one sound) with fourth tone (sound always going down)

2 minutes ago, JPAngel said:

I've been pronouncing it "shee-ah". Is that right or am I butchering it?

Yes, but don't have a break in between. It is one sound (instead of two), if that makes sense.

If you guys are interested, check this out:

An almost accurate pronounciation, but the '/Ts/' sound at the beginning should really be weakened to almost like 'Sh' (, like Shhhh (asking someone to be quiet)... which is 'X' in Mandarin's Roman letter rules).

Just now, Daweii said:

Not to mention and correct me if I am wrong @Deisler123 but when it is pronounced SHA it means "stupid". So they are literally welcoming him as "Hello Mr. Stupid" it's rather unfortunate.

Depending on what tone the 'SHA' was pronounced though. But mostly likely to be either Mr. 'Stupid' or Mr. 'Killer' - neither sounds good.

The Sky reporter made his name sound like Mr. Zi, a sound in Chinese we used to mimic how the mouse/rats 'speak'. No good. 

The CNN journalist pronounciate his name very well though (in the most recent interview done in Beijing) - but his attitude as a journalist is very annoying.

Xia's English certainly needs to be improved, but IMHO, if the journalists can't even pronouciate the interviewee's name correctly, what can we expect from the interview?