Deisler123

9 minutes ago, snowychap said:

Enough of this stuff, please.

Sure. Just got annoyed by someone who always likes to link everything to 'communist' - everytime I see him quoting me, that word keep coming. Hate that word.

Sorry.

3 minutes ago, Phumfeinz said:

I think it's safe to say our next sponsor won't be of the gambling sort then if it's illegal in China. I imagine it'll be Recon or Lotus Health Group if he does go ahead with renaming the stadium to Lotus Villa Park.

No, it won't be. It is like, if an English businessman owns a club in Amsterdam, and wants to have a sponsorship of a drug making industry (assume if he can). Think about what British government and people will think....

If he wants to deal with the limit imposed by FFP, then it is very likely to have sponsorship from related company. Maybe not in the first season (or before returning back to PL) though.

Just now, Neil said:

Genting in Malaysia was full of chinese when I was there.

But what is the point here, may i ask? 

The reason why I said Xia will not like a gambling-related sponsorship is - IT IS ILLEGAL IN CHINA!

13 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

OK, showing my cultural ignorance here, but I always got the impression that the Chinese LOVED gambling. Or is it a Communist Party thing to try and break that? 

I personally never gambled once in my life, in casino or in private occasions - neither did any of my family members as far as I know. And I am a Chinese.

Gambling is ILLEGAL by law in China. That is why you got that impression, because the only place Chinese can gamble is, in fact, in overseas countries.

I am sorry. But what is your point?

If a party (communist or not) bans the gambling, I would love that party.

Yeah, yeah, i know cold-war thinking man, you like to disagree on everything that is linked to China. 

Just out of curiosity, did Communism China hurt you sometime in your life before? Knowing that will help me understand why you always have a problem with China, seriously.

3 minutes ago, StanBalaban said:

In recent history, we've had Dafabet, Genting and 32RED as our principal sponsor.

Now we have Intuit Quickbooks, which is an accounting sponsor. Not sure how long for though.

OK. Don't think Xia will fancy a casino-related sponsorship. It is a big no no for a Chinese-owned business.

Guys, got a question - what is the current main sponsorship Villa has? Any casino related business?

If so, how many years of sponsorship contract left?

2 minutes ago, maqroll said:

Not a fully accurate statement. In fact, you could easily argue it's been more popular here than in China since the turn of the 20th century.

edited. Misread, sorry

3 minutes ago, TrinityRoadSteps said:

So. Out of all of this I think the best thing I have learnt is that SHA means stupid in Chinese

haha it has to be third tone though (which has 100+ letters)

SHA the first tone could mean: Kill; the second could mean (in certain scenario): WTF? 

In the short time since Xia hit the headlines, it is impossible to verify everything about him.

Even his birth-date has been questioned. Xia, whose full name is Xia Jiantong, says he was born on October 26, 1976, and that the confusion arose because he started school as a precocious four-year-old whose parents needed for legal reasons to pretend he was six.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3602825/Saviour-dreamer-Sportsmail-talks-Aston-Villa-s-owner-waiting-Dr-Tony-Xia.html

A lot of reports in China that I can find through Baidu (chinese google) all said he went to scholl at the age of 4. and went to university at the age of 14.

Being a chinese these are perfectly normal to me. I went to Primiary school (without pre-school) at the age of 5. And my parents changed my birthday in order to send me to the school 1 year earlier, then changed it back later. This happens to a lot of chinese kids.

A lot of Chinese students went to university at the age of 13-15. They were chosen to do this - they had to show super high IQ and exam results (normally mathematics and physics) in order to be admmited. I am not that good to do this, though. 

Tony Xia, Aston Villa’s owner-in-waiting, chuckles when asked if he is a dollar billionaire.

‘I think it’s rather more than that,’ says the 39-year-old Chinese businessman, explaining that just a few months ago he sold one of his companies, Teamax, for £430million, which is sitting in a bank account waiting to be spent, in part on Villa.

‘I own quite a lot of private businesses and I think I can sell some of them for the same amount or more,’ adds Xia, who has provided The Mail on Sunday with a bank transfer certificate purporting to show the funds from the Teamex deal.
 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3602825/Saviour-dreamer-Sportsmail-talks-Aston-Villa-s-owner-waiting-Dr-Tony-Xia.html

Hmmmm.....

23 minutes ago, briny_ear said:

I'd want it to be at least automatic promotion before he had mine. 

you guys are crazy.... 

2 minutes ago, AVTuco said:

But his name is pronounced SHA ??????

SHA the third tone in Chinese means stupid.

His name is /Sh-i-a/, 'i' being the 'ea' of 'easy'.

7 minutes ago, AntrimBlack said:

So, Deisler, are you a Villan yet?

If Xia passes the owner and director test, I will watch Villa's games next season if it is broadcasted on TV.

If Villa has 1 Chinese player in the 1st team, I will not miss a single match.

If Villa has 1-2 youth players from China, I will watch (if I can) all youth matches.

I dont think these mean I am a Villan tbh. But I dont have any club to support in this country, so why wouldn't I?

Just now, Jareth said:

Xia can have his choice of any of our wives if he gets us promoted first time.

Don't think anyone here will agree on that, but ok.... 

I think Villa fans may have over-reacted to some negative aspects to Xia as a businessman, like 1 listed company instead of 5 as claimed originally.

Xia DOES have some bad reputation in China (like calling himself a harvard professor in his application to 1000-people plan (leading researchers), and his ex-wife accusing him about him cheating on her which was then made public). None of these seem to be very bad imo.

BUT i have to say something very honestly - these 'bad' reputation Xia (may) have is in fact very little compared to the 'normal' bad reputation of most rich men have in China.

4 hours ago, Grasshopper said:

Thanx for the insight.

From what little known about Dr X, I think it is more telling that he has spent time outside if China and that he is probably familiar with "Western mentalities" as well as his own.

I work with a number of people of different nationalities and find myself learning different ways and angles of seeing/doing things. I have to admit to being a "Hybrid" of everyone and everything around me..

I can imagine and also hope that Dr X is open enough to embrace AVFC, The fans, Football as a passion and lifestyle rather than just a "Formular A1" as a atandard blueprint to success.

Someone of his Intelligence (presumtion) and experience in business will bring much needed hope and expectancy to our club rather than a proved failure who doesnt appear to possess the intelligence of a man with such wealth as Randy Lerner.

Yes, his education in US is a good sign of a businessman who may have (good) attributes from both cultures.

Lets wait and see.

5 hours ago, TheMightyVillans said:

Great read.

By the sounds of it if Xu Jiayin was our owner then the majority of the current team would be either fined, in the reserves or sacked.

I do believe so. Isn't that what Villa fans want in the end? The few days I have spent here, it seems most of people here want to get rid of most players from the club because they are too lazy (or do not deserve their wages?)  

7 hours ago, backofthenet said:

hi guys, new member here, been reading your posts an its really interesting stuff, i actually watch alot of asian football, your quite right about evergrande, i watched them a while ago win the AFC champions league against al-ahli (i think!), they do appear set to dominate asian football for quite some time,ive also noticed a team called hebai who seem to be doing ok, i dont recall them last season, are they a new team or someone that may challange evergrande, i have a couple of questions though, 1 is related the other not so

1. why isnt japanese football moving as quickly as chinese football, they have a better league set up and apparently better players but they dont seem to do well in the asian championships, in fact south korean teams seem to do much better.
2. the information you have given about Dr Xia is very helpful but why would he need any help from chris samuelson, who seems to be lurking in the back ground

you may not be able to give any insight on question 2 but thought id put it out there

Yes, Hebei Fortune just got promoted to super league, and they spent huge and bought Lavizzi and Gervinho. They are doing well.

I will attempt to answer your questions. I have more confidence in my answer to your first question, than to second one.

1. In early 90s, J-League had huge investment from owners - they also did the same thing as what Chinese super league are doing - buying famous players from Europe. And FA in japan made a lot of good decision, especially on youth training. So their national team started to do well in mid-90s. 

However, due to gobal financial crisis, Japanese companies no long have the money to invest in football. But still, their youth system has been built already so their national team is doing well and will do well in the next 20 years. And the top japanese players come to europe to play. Without the investment and the top players, J-league cannot do well in Asian championship. 

Korea has the similar issue - there is very little investment from owners. Their youth system is also good. 

Between China, Japan and Korean football - In most cases, Japan can win Korea, Korean can win (99% games) China, but China do well against Japan (relatively speaking). It is thought to be due to the fact that Japanese players are very skillful but fear physical contact, which is what Chinese players are good at. And Korean players are very good at stamina, so they are not afraid of skillful Japan.

In the next 5 years, Chinese super league will become the best league in Asia (arguably they already are). But the national football team requires at least 10-20 years plan in terms of building the youth system, which China just starts to have a few year ago. 

2. I dont know enough about Chris Samuelson - who seems to be an agent for financial talks? I don't think it is a bad idea to have an agent working for you in between you and the club you want to buy, specially for a chinese businessman who may know little about how to buy a football club, which Chris seems to have some reputation on that (mostly bad reputation i know but at least he has experience....)

7 hours ago, VillaBrum said:

This is a superb thread, which has given myself and, I'm sure, the other readers, a new insight into the way China functions (not only with football). I feel a more cheerful now!            Just one question:- Deisler, do you think that 'McParland The Great' is correct with his own view of the situation? He certainly puts his thoughts over very well.

http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7520870

McParlandTheGreat posted: 21/5/2016 14:03 

Let's look at the facts. The Villa website put out a statement that Recon was a holdings company which has a controlling interest in 5 companies, interests in many more, which in total employ 35000 personnel in 75 countries. It appears that the controlling interest in 5 companies bit was wrong. A guess might be that the mistake was at the Villa end; the Chinese end was quick to correct it. It now appears that the controlling interest is in 1 company (it is of course possible and even likely that it has major interests in the other 4; the statement from the Chinese end that it is engaged in acquiring a controlling interest in another 4 companies tends to imply this) 

There is a corrected statement on the Villa web site which reads: 
Recon Group is a multinational conglomerate group led by Dr. Tony Jiantong Xia. The group holding company owns, directly and indirectly, the shares of several publicly listed companies on the Hong Kong and Chinese stock exchanges and many other private companies employing 35,000 people in 75 countries. 

The mistake is a minor one. It doesn't matter a jot whether Recon owns majority interests in 0 or 100 companies. It is a holdings company; it is a vehicle for investments. What matters is whether or not it can put together the resources to buy Villa. It appears to have satisfied Hollis that it can. It now has to satisfy the leagues. If it can then Recon owns Villa. I have no problem with that. 

The thing about holdings companies is that they tend not to just stick money in any old company. They have a strategy. They target certain markets for growth. They build up related investments. They invest over a period, not for the short term. At least the better ones do; from what I've read of Recon this is what Recon does. They're based in a country with huge opportunities in the medium and long term, and Recon is wired into that. If you look at what's been said about the plans for Villa, that approach ties in. I've seen it suggested that it if we aren't promoted at the end of this coming season Recon will pull out. I don't think Recon is that sort of company. It's about long term investment and profit, not about short term return. It has highly ambitious plans for Villa and the structure around it; in the scheme of things, a one season promotion is highly desirable, but nowhere near critical. 

Early days. A lot more will become clear over the next two weeks and beyond. I hope we back it not knock it. Teams which aren't optimistic get nowhere on the field. Clubs and fans also need optimism.


 

I have to say that, we do not know if the mistakes were made by Villa current owners, or by Xia intentionally.

My feeling is, the mistake might be made by an intermediate person (as an agent or introducer), who may do this either purely by a mistake or intentionally.

But let's not waste our brain cells on this thing - because we will never find out whose fault it was!

7 hours ago, VillaBrum said:

This is a superb thread, which has given myself and, I'm sure, the other readers, a new insight into the way China functions (not only with football). I feel a more cheerful now!            Just one question:- Deisler, do you think that 'McParland The Great' is correct with his own view of the situation? He certainly puts his thoughts over very well.

http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7520870

I pretty much agree with what he said, except partly that 'it is easier to acquite premier league club than other leagues because of how clubs are structured.' 

It is true for most of buyers, but not exactly true for Chinese buyers. 

UK is both economically and politically important to China, therefore football in UK is particularly attractive to Chinese buyers especially when they have state support.

There is why Chinese buyers have little interest in Italy/France and other small leagues. Germen leagues are different indeed because they must be owned by (at least 51%) by fans. But if there requires the same amount of investment to make the club equally succesfully, if I were the president or the boss behind the state support, I will rather invest in English league, because of the side benefit (political mostly). 

9 hours ago, meme said:

If it is true that Xia has spent several years studying the English football system, then he should be smart enough to realise that interfering might work in China, but not here.

no, interference by owner in the squad is no good anywhere in football. The reason that Xu (Guangzhou Evergrande) becomes successful is, he does not allow anyone (other than manager) to control the squad. And absolutely ZERO tolerance against players being lazy and arguing with manager. 

Xia needs to learn that from Xu.

2 minutes ago, romavillan said:

Rome would be a long way from Birmingham if that was his aim.

RDM knows Villa wants him - he talks to the other club, in order to make the contract negotiation leaning towards his favor - Villa may panic.

And he was spotted in Birmingham airport 2 days ago btw.

6 minutes ago, romavillan said:

says here http://www.calciomercato.com/news/di-matteo-a-roma-incontro-con-la-lazio-172982 and here http://www.sportmediaset.mediaset.it/mercato/lazio/lazio-spunta-di-matteo-per-la-panchina_1099453-201602a.shtml that di matteo is in Rome talking to Lazio after being "associated" with us. 

no quotes and nothing official but there's a few sites running it, they might just be jumping on calciomercato's bullshit though who seem to be an agents favourite outlet over here. 

 

In my opinion, it is a sign of Di Matteo wanting to negotiate a better constract/control with Villa.