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"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes." - Gene Roddenberry

Dundee Villa you have missed the point

.... You stated that Bible was written by Bronze Age farmers... It clearly wasn't.

Moses was bought up as a son of Pharaoh and he wrote the first 5 books...

I've listed other Bible writers to demonstrate..

I notice no one commented on the correctness of the Bible stating that Belshazzar was the last King of Babylon when critics jested it was all hocum.

As for the Egyptians.... the reason the descendants of Abraham went to Egypt in the first place was due to the famine. Jacob and his sons escaped the famine and moved there... Joseph had by this time become a trusted member of the Egyptian hierarchy..

.in fact Pharaoh put him in charge of all his affairs.

It was only in later generations that this relationship deteriorated and the Egyptians treated them as slaves.

How come the Egyptians, who documented nearly every detail about their culture, amazingly make no mention of the Israelites ever being in Egypt?

there is no evidence outside of the bible that Moses even existed.

With all due respect THAT wasn't the question...the fact that Bible Writers who you may say never existed admittedly...

were stated to be Bronze Age Farmers...

Is that a fair criticism to make though??.....

As a christian, the only bible authors worth talking about are Matthew, Mark , Luke and John.

The four canonical texts are the Gospel of Matthew, Gospel of Mark, Gospel of John and Gospel of Luke, probably written between 65 and 100 AD.[1][2] They appear to have been originally untitled; they were quoted anonymously in the first half of the second century (ie 100 - 150) but the names by which they are currently known appear suddenly around the year 180

How can you take something, written 65-100 years AFTER Jesus died, as "gospel"?

Even if there is a germ of truth in the Moses legend, it may actually explain a few things. If hew was a student of Egyptian beliefs, then he would be familiar with their customs and laws. For example, did you know that the 10 commandments are a blatant plagiarism from the Egyptian book of the dead? There is nothing new in the mythology of Christianity. The middle east thousands of years ago was a polytheistic hotbed . The people in power simply tried to create one superior god to keep everyone in line.

One thing that bugs me about people who take the bible literally is their hypocrisy. For example, their are old testament tales of Moses throwing his staff before Pharoah and it turns into a snake. Supposedly as a sign of Moses' gods power. The pharoah then has his "priests and magicians" replicate the act. For some reason bible readers dont find it strange that the Egyptians could copy gods magic.

Challenges to his historicity

* The suggestion that Moses was not a real historical figure and that the Exodus did not occur at all has been made by some archaeologists. Some archaeologists have claimed that surveys of ancient settlements in Sinai do not appear to show a great influx of people around the time of the Exodus (given variously as between 1500–1200 BCE), as would be expected from the arrival of Joshua and the Israelites in Canaan. This suggests that the biblical Exodus may not be a literal depiction. Archaeologists such as Israel Finkelstein, Ze'ev Herzog and William G. Dever, regard the Exodus as non-historical, at best containing a small germ of truth. According to Prof. Ze'ev Herzog, Director of the Institute of Archaeology at Tel Aviv University "This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel.... The many Egyptian documents that we have make no mention of the Israelites' presence in Egypt and are also silent about the events of the exodus.[46]

* In his book, The Bible Unearthed, Finkelstein points to the appearance of settlements in the central hill country around 1200, recognized by most archaeologists as the earliest of the known settlements of the Israelites.[123] Using evidence from earlier periods, he shows a cyclical pattern to these highland settlements, corresponding to the state of the surrounding cultures. Finkelstein suggests that the local Canaanites would adapt their way of living from an agricultural lifestyle to a nomadic one and vice versa. When Egyptian rule collapsed after the invasion of the Sea Peoples, the central hill country could no longer sustain a large nomadic population, so they went from nomadism to sedentism.[124] Dever agrees with the Canaanite origin of the Israelites but allows for the possibility of a Semitic tribe coming from Egyptian servitude among the early hilltop settlers and that Moses or a Moses-like figure may have existed in Transjordan ca 1250-1200.[125]

* Biblical minimalists, such as Philip Davies, Niels Peter Lemche and Thomas L. Thompson, regard the Exodus as ahistorical. Hector Avalos, in "The End of Biblical Studies," states that the Exodus, as depicted in the Bible, is an idea that most biblical historians no longer support.[126]

I take it from your answer you'll to continue to live your life in ignorance and are happy to carry on blindly taking your worldview from the Bible, a 2000-year-old book written by Bronze Age farmers that's supposedly the world of God but is so full of contradictions that you could write another book on them. Fair enough. All the best with that

Bronze Age Farmers????!!!...well let's take a look at the writer of the first 5 books of the Bible... Moses

Moses was bought up by Pharoah's family as a son...He became mighty in letters and words...having being educated by no doubt some of the finest teacher's to be found anywhere being as they were the then rulers of the so called civilized world Egypt. One only has to look at their pyramids and artifacts to know that Moses would have harldy grown up a Bronze age farmer! Egyptian Astronomer's mapped the skies!!.. That household would also have had access to one of the finest libraries ever known to man...namely to be found in the city of Alexandria.

there is no evidence outside of the bible that Moses even existed.

Well he is in the quran too isn't he? If that counts.

Yeah but its an Abrahamic religion. They got their "Info" from the bible.

I take it from your answer you'll to continue to live your life in ignorance and are happy to carry on blindly taking your worldview from the Bible, a 2000-year-old book written by Bronze Age farmers that's supposedly the world of God but is so full of contradictions that you could write another book on them. Fair enough. All the best with that

Bronze Age Farmers????!!!...well let's take a look at the writer of the first 5 books of the Bible... Moses

Moses was bought up by Pharoah's family as a son...He became mighty in letters and words...having being educated by no doubt some of the finest teacher's to be found anywhere being as they were the then rulers of the so called civilized world Egypt. One only has to look at their pyramids and artifacts to know that Moses would have harldy grown up a Bronze age farmer! Egyptian Astronomer's mapped the skies!!.. That household would also have had access to one of the finest libraries ever known to man...namely to be found in the city of Alexandria.

there is no evidence outside of the bible that Moses even existed.

Got to go watch The Villa so enough with the debate, time for inflammatory pictures

James Milner neither loves or hates marmite. He thinks its just Ok.

James Milner has doubled Ianrobo's total post count in a single day.

Without any spelling mistakes.

Sex Drive is very funny! Role models got a bit too serious for my liking near the end but its still watchable. Taken is one of the better action films I have seen in a while too!

Did Freddie Mercury used to bring teenage boys backstage? My mate is adamant he can remember newspaper stories about Freddie entertaining young boys , but Ive never heard this before and there is nothing online to back him up!

And in a similar vein:

(I can only imagine the outcry from the religious wackjobs over this...)

Little off topic, but the 3rd guy in that queue is a really good stand up comic but I cant for the life of me remember his name!

Elbow - The seldom seen kid. I love it. Starlings, The loneliness of the tower crane driver, grounds for divorce and one day like this are excellent.

Throw those curtains wide!!!!!!!

The Prodigy's new album 8)

I have "Invaders must die" pretty much on loop in the car!

Been trying to quit the cigarettes for a few months now, but the Villa games keep making me reach for the coffin nails.!!! Down to around 5-10 Marlboro lights a day, and I am an occasional cannabis smoker.

not proud of what the country has become

and had no choice being born here - proud nah just thankful i wasn't born in a 3rd world country

Bingo! Couldnt agree more! You dont chose your nationality at birth , so being proud of it is strange.

I am just Happy to be English, couldnt really say Im proud.

James Milner hates it when People spell "appreciation" incorrectly.

Jimmy Milner checks his E (bye- gum) Mail

James Milner will be playing for the England U21s in his mid 30s.

Coors light? Patrona tequila for me! Looking forward to my first superbowl party on American soil!

Want Cards

Think Pitt.

Same here.