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6 minutes ago, villan-scott said:

We miss you Julie. 

Haha julieB. She bullshits more than a demagogue. 

On 17/03/2019 at 14:16, villalad21 said:

Who would buy a 3rd choice champiship keeper?

Send him back to him homecountry maybe.

Bit Brexity 

Whoop.

25 minutes ago, alreadyexists said:

I’m pretty sure baggy shirts was the thing in the 90s... remember Lee Hendrie in the mid 90s? 

 

Always liked that reebok kit, shame the LDV sponsor was so big.

What were they thinking with that badge in a badge though. Liking that kit is easier when it was a pretty exciting season. Especially the first three quarters as I remember.

Say no to blue shorts.

9 minutes ago, DakotaVilla said:

Id take the below “woeful” stats every single game. 9/10 that would result in an absolute hammering.

We just have to cut out ten minutes of sloppiness in the second half and the over playing in the final third.

We get those stats against Derby and we win. 

Good stats. We didn't have many good chances though. Maybe that one that Johnson saved? Apart from that I don't remember any. West Brom defended well. 

I had a quick look at the teams Derby put out when they played us this season. I think they were missing some key players—Mason Mount didn't play in either game, for example, and he looked excellent.

10 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

I worry about us flapping about playing a physical Leeds side, when next season we could be playing that way every game. We look good on paper, but will need big players to get to even Wolves level.

Wolves' level is pretty high to be fair! Sad to say, but yeah we'd need loads of investment to get to their level.

2 minutes ago, dounavilla said:

Green, as much as I don't rate him he is more likely to actually take on a defender instead of playing backwards passes and being completely ineffective like adomah.

I think Adomah made more of an impression in the time he had.

2 minutes ago, Lerner's Driver said:

I can't tell if you are joking. The Mail is still a printer of vile, unfounded, hate filled lies and fully complicit in the fact we find ourselves mired in the shit swamp of divisive opinion we find ourselves currently. Indirectly, it is they and others like them, who write the stories that make it feel naughty, fun and 'okay again' to sing songs like the one we are discussing.

I'm joking! And I agree.

5 minutes ago, terrytini said:

Just peeked in the thread coz I thought he might be injured, only to find a huuuuuggggeee discussion about race.

For a moment I thought WTF are these guys playing at....

... then I thought how it was actually rather brilliant that all these football nuts were having this deep, considered, even handed debate, right in the middle of the build up to this game.

It’s really quite refreshing and a far cry from how we are typically portrayed.

( and it compensates a bit for that appalling song !)

Haha. Maybe this is how we're all dealing with the nerves

1 hour ago, hippo said:

Remember a few years back - Birmingham council renamed christmas 'Wintervall' because somebody though using the word Christmas would offend Muslims - I would argue that it drove more people towards racist tendencies  

It's bullshit though. Remember that crazy time when people used to actually believe the shit they print in the Daily Mail? So happy we've moved on from those days...

FROM THE DAILY MAIL: Winterval was another attempt by the Daily Mail to rile people up.

It took no effort and about four seconds to find out the truth. So if it drove people towards racist tendencies then shame on them and on that manipulative paper.

48 minutes ago, GeordieVillan said:

Very interesting reading some of the comments on here, from what seems like a bunch of decent people trying to navigate a minefield without appearing to be offensive or a snowflake...I had a few thoughts -

1) I wonder why someone has decided to video this? Are they doing so because they think its a brilliant chant? Or because they think it might be racist/offensive and they are wanting to highlight it either because they are proud of those doing the singing or or to try shame them?

2) I'd love to ask those involved if they would happily start singing this song in the stadium with a full house? If not, then I think that shows they know they shouldn't be singing it and it causes offence. If yes, then I would say its a serious misjudgement of the current climate.

3) What will Tammy think of all this if/when he sees it. This is a guy that we are all desperate to stay at Villa, but imagine if something like this became a factor in his decision to stay with us or not. How would those involved feel then? Even more than that, its not impossible that others players in the squad could be offended by it.

I'm a person of colour (British Asian), but I identify myself as a Geordie because I've been born and raised in Newcastle. I can personally say that if this was an Asian player and there was a song which revolved around the player being called "brown", then I would definitely be uncomfortable, regardless of the motives of those singing the song. 

No way on earth they would sing it if he was in the room either.

8 minutes ago, M_Afro said:

It is racist I’m afraid. What difference does it make that he is black? Why even feel the need to mention it? If my son asked me who Andy Townsend was I wouldn’t say some white bloke who used to play in midfield.

I'm open minded to what you're saying, but at some point the use of ethnicity has to also have a very basic descriptive use though, surely. If someone said in 20 years, describe to me the 1996 League Cup winning team, and describe them well so I can actually get a picture of who they are, then do you think it would be wrong to use the different adjectives available? I wasn't aware that black is an inherently racist word. For the record, above I have disagreed with its use in that song and in any similar contexts. I think in plenty of places it's unnecessary and comes across as backwards, but in a genuine descriptive attempt it surely has a use.

In this context all adjectives would have an actual function, which is surely the point of this whole debate—in the song, it comes across as a throwback to a racist past, because there is no point in describing him as black, especially as we're all aware of how that comes across.

1 minute ago, Vive_La_Villa said:

How on earth would that be racist? Using black is probably irrelevant unless he asked what he looked like. 

But racist. Really? 

Yeah I don't think that example would be racist at all.

2 hours ago, Stevo985 said:

We don’t care what colour Tammy is but we are specifically going to mention it in this song. 

It's how it comes across too—it's like these guys find it novel that he's black. That's how it sounds—I know it's the lyrics of the song, but they could have easily changed it to big Tammy. The impression I get though is, as I said, that it's novel to them that he's black. It's so old-fashioned and with our racist past something that feels like a throwback to something we've moved away from. People can bash PC culture all they like—and I'm not even suggesting this debate is a good example to use—but the truth is we've come a long way through being more aware of our language and how we talk to other people. Why would people want to go back to our darker past? People want to bury their head in the sand and pretend that humans aren't capable of being terrible to each other, especially when big ignorant groups form together.

I think Hippo said, but what if I want to describe him as black—that's completely different. It's not a throwback—if I described someone as black that's a functional use of the language. The way it comes across in the song, it doesn't come across like that. TBH, I think it makes the singers come across as pretty ignorant. It's ignorant because as other people have said they could have chosen anything.

People seem to be getting defensive and making out that others here are suggesting that the use of the word black is somehow being denied to them by the PC police. If that's how they see it then they should possibly at least consider that they are missing the point. The 'Scottish' in the Scottish Cafu is functional too. It's showing a comparison. Scottish is also a nationality. Anyway, the use of 'the Scottish Cafu' and 'Black Tammy Abraham' is completely different because here the particular use of black seems very archaic—what's the point? I'm sure 500 years ago calling someone Scottish and giving that as the go-to description of who they are might have been a bit tinged in historical racism too. Hopefully we've moved on from that—hopefully we'll move on from all this BS eventually too. But as I say, this song feels like a massive throwback, whether the intention was there or not. I wonder if it's in the ballpark of what Danny Baker did with that stupid photo.

And in the current climate, where, in my experience, people's secret prejudices are starting to surface, it comes across as to some degree willfully ignorant—and those choosing to ignore all this context, makes me wonder too.

On a side note, it reminds me of this this:

PC gone mad

2 hours ago, Rob182 said:

This should apply to all races, not just whites people. If you disagree with my post then you are stupid and racist.

It does apply to all races. And nobody is going to disagree. We obviously have a British perspective on the world, and it's easy for the majority white people to get oversensitive about this stuff, thinking that they're being singled out for particularly hard treatment, but if I was living in China or wherever and people were calling me whitey all the time I'd think those people were falling into some pretty lame tropes that reflect badly on their character. If people were calling me whitey in the UK I'd think the same. The UK is multicultural anyway, and it has been for ages—and it's a direct result of our actions throughout history.

47 minutes ago, avfc456 said:

Just looked, I don't get what goes proples heads, surely they would of known there would be uproar once it got out 

"If there is an uproar t's PC gone mad and the fault of our oppressive EU overlords that have had the Bri....I mean English people in chains for 700 years."

1 minute ago, villalad21 said:

Complete disaster if we don't go up. Mings, Axel, Abraham, El Ghazi, Jack. All of them will be gone

Do you just keep repeating this stuff? I swear I saw you say exactly the same thing a week or so ago. It's so obvious and we all know — relax.

9 minutes ago, Tomaszk said:

Dunno didn't see it tbh. Nice list of numbers.

I know we lost and it was thankfully the end of our horrible run.

Got to love an enlightened, informed comment!

My memory of that game was that it was very even and they scored a couple of sublimely finished, but on another day definitely going to be missed, goals. At least one of them. I also remember that neither team was particularly great.

40 minutes ago, av1 said:

You know I've been saying to my son for weeks that the baggies game is the only thing that worries me, especially with the second leg at their place. I don't know why but the thought of a final against Derby or Leeds doesn't worry me in the slightest. 

Best Baggies and we are up imo. 

Is it not a case that you're thinking one step at a time? We've got a tough two legs coming up against a decent team. I can't let myself think beyond these two games.

5 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

Will playoffs be on AVTV?

I hope so, otherwise not sure why I've been charged for the month.

It's on sky. So I think it won't be on AVTV. Pretty cheeky that they've charged you if that's the case!

LONGGGGG

It's not working for me. Anyone else having problems?

Thanks.

26 minutes ago, striker said:

Is this on Sky red button by any chance?

I may be wrong, but I think that's only the midweek games.