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4 hours ago, MaVilla said:

@Hornso am i missing anyone?

Hourihane isn't a vill player, he's left on a free, where we pay some of his first years wages

41 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

He'll never kick a ball for us again but the nature of his move has bagged him an extra year in On Topic.

I commented on this previously. He's said his fairwell to the club. He is only still a vill player by technicality. This should be moved to off topic.

8 hours ago, Hornso said:

Summary from Monday night - Non League Premier Southern Central Division Action!!!

Ákos Onódi (Bromsgrove Sporting) 12th/21
Away at Stourbridge (1-1) - Played 90 minutes.

Also, welcome to the thread Conor Hourihane (any danger of selling some of these guys?)

Lastly, Tuesday night sees Arjan Raikhy's Stockport host Seb Revan's Grimsby. Hopefully both lads see some action. 

I wouldnt bother with Hourihane, his contract is up after the loan, so he'll never be a villa player again. He has already said his fairwell

34 minutes ago, Big Salad said:

I think someone needs to convince Mr. Friedel to get in touch with Weston to tell him what a great club Villa is to play for.

Get it done Brad!

Ummm the Friedel that went on and did 4 more seasons at Spurs?

1 hour ago, TheAuthority said:

I agree

However in a particularly dark period for the club that saw us on the brink of disappearing forever, he was one of us. A lover of Aston Villa who as a player was capable of a magic control of the football and he helped drag us back to the PL (and the riches that it provides.) He'll always have a special place in Villa fans hearts for that.

But don't forget Andy Townsend was the last Villa captain to raise any silverware* of note and very few would mention him as a Villa legend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*this does not count

I would!

Andy Townsend. The reason I support Villa!

42 minutes ago, Jas10 said:

I guess we’re all bored and restless and overly downbeat after an opening day defeat… but I still don’t see the need for conspiracy theories, negativity or bed wetting…

After losing a player we were so heavily reliant on and who took most of the limelight away from our club in all honesty, we are in the midst of a new era. I’m actually looking forward to it tbh… I find it refreshing…

Since NSWE & Dean came in, we’ve only gone forwards or upwards… let’s sit back and enjoy the journey, there should be less pressure after that departure too. We were seemingly being forced to appease one player… I don’t think it was healthy really. We can put those funds to good use too, whether that is in the short or long term…

We needn’t be in a major rush to achieve or win things, let’s stop being so impatient or fickle, and not place any unnecessary, extra pressure on our excellent manager and players…

Tbh, I just want to be entertained. And we have players that bring that and a manager that encourages it too (who was the last one?!).

We’ve done good business so far and may well do more before the window shuts. We’re in a great position to strengthen in forthcoming windows too…

We have no financial difficulties or debt, our owners are doing plenty to improve us both on and off the pitch, we have exciting players and great personalities. We’re in a much better place compared to other clubs…

No disruptive personalities, deadbeats or deadwood either - we’ve managed to clear out the trash really well…

There’s no such thing as a quick fix, no shortcuts to success unless it’s unethical methods that will one day bite you in the ass… we’ll do things properly and it’s another source of pride for us fans…

There will be ups and there will be downs but ultimately, we are determined to be successful. The future still looks bright…

 

Anyway, I think the mood needs to change and a victory at VP will do wonders.

For now, maybe it’s time to give this another viewing…

Chins up lads… we’ll be fine.

UTV

TL;DR

Iv joined as I play anyway.

Annoyed I have Benrhama and not buendia but is what it is

1 minute ago, ender4 said:

£25k + El Ghazi + Ramsey on loan for a season would probably work for both parties.   
 

Southampton get a decent wedge in the bank, a decent winger (not sure if they need one) and Ramsey could be pretty strong for them in the JWP role.
 

For us the benefits are obvious.

Ramsey would like it because he gets lots of game time in the PL and comes back a stronger player. 
 

Not sure if El Ghazi would accept it.

not sure Southampton would be that keen on £25k. Think they need at least 1 million!

1 minute ago, Delphinho123 said:

And Sanson…

I think that’s the idea. To put together an extremely hard working side with enough quality to score a few too! 

Yeah, makes sense for a strategy for making top 4 as we will never be able to match them in player skill. Can be much harder working though. 

1 hour ago, QldVilla said:

No. I said they are international players which means they are already at a certain level, it didn’t imply that’s why they should be playing for villa. I also said one had CL experience and another is performing at a high level in back to back big tournaments.

Why people want to continue to piece meal what I stated is beyond me, although not surprising.

Great, well i am a "certain level" whats that got to do with being a good enough CM for villa.

In your original post you put up some parameters to infer certain players where good enough to play for Villa. However if a player is an International or a Champions league player, or has played in games against very talented players that does not automatically deem them good enough to play for Villa. 

6 minutes ago, QldVilla said:

Of course, because that would mean you were wrong and you don't seem the type to admit that, more interested to being a smart @*$# than contributing something credible to a discussion.

Also in your original post you said, our players are international players and therefore should be deemed good enough for Villa. like McGinn plays for Scotland so is good enough. 

I like McGinn and I'm not saying he's not good enough, however being an international for a team like Scotland doesn't make you good enough for Villa. There are many international players who are not good enough for Villa currently, including Scotland Players

13 minutes ago, TheMelvillan said:

Based on nothing, I think the situation is that, due to the late notice and the impending season start, Villa have told Jack that IF we can land a few replacement targets ( JWP, Tammy etc) at prices we deem appropriate, in the next few days, then we will let him go to City. 

Villa wont want to leave themselves in a vulnerable position of having the money from city but with too little time or unable to get players in going into the new season.

This is why I believe there has been stories today about us re-upping our interest in some big name players.

It also explains why we are keeping Jack ticking over in training and generally in the fold, in case the ducks dont all line up and he stays. However they seem to be keeping him away from any full contact or intense sessions.

May also explain the videos of Lange/ Smith etc continually chatting to jack - maybe keeping him in the loop with developments (that ones a stretch i admit)

 

I dont think we will see him appear at training tomorrow and that will be the start of it

This makes alot of sense.....

Was just looking for this to say wasn't going to play this year so all good.

3 minutes ago, darrenm said:

I reckon there's some info going round

 

 

He responded to this saying he knows nothing

I really like JWP. Then Bailey, then Alvarez. And a really good DM who's goodish on the ball

3 minutes ago, HKP90 said:

You got the first bit right. It is about clicks. All about clicks.

Don’t buy the ‘strengthen City, undermine Villa’ thing though. Why would they care? 
It would be a massive transfer and generate loads of clicks. Full stop. It could be the transfer of anyone to anywhere, as long as it generates revenue.

This. Journalists don't care about anything but clicks

39 minutes ago, nick76 said:

Fair enough if you think that but it's very naïve and not how it works.

Never said hidden agenda, I said they favour London teams or big teams.  I didnt think this would be an argument, I bet if you asked everybody on this forum over 90% would agree especially as it has been discussed many many times over the years on here.

It's not naïve at all and I used a fairly clear example of why it doesn't work like that.

You'd have to think massive companies (like Liverpool in the Andy Carrol case) were poor at negotiating. Which I would suggest is naïve. Liverpool could have gone elsewhere. They wanted Carrol. Newcastle didn't want to sell him unless for an astronomical figure. 

22 minutes ago, nick76 said:

I think your being very naive mate.  If JWP we had been quoted 60m, they may have eventually sold him for 50m knowing to over value him initially but now they know we have money they won’t sell for less than 60m because they know they have us over the barrel and we have money.  So we are paying more than we would’ve have.

For players we haven’t yet been quoted as we assumed Jack wasn’t going, their prices would be higher than usual.  If you know somebody is cashed up in any walk of life you chance it by asking more as the seller, that’s why some goods are more expensive in richer areas than poorer areas.

As for conspiracy, it’s not conspiracy it’s the London based press favour the London teams or the big teams and can never see why talented players would want to play for teams like Villa.  They look down on us, if you don’t see this I don’t know what to tell you.

Nah man, I disagree. If theyd accept 50m then they'd accept 50m. Unless we were really bad at negotiating. 

Some things are more expensive in richer areas for many reasons but football is a fully open market. There are 1000s of players Villa could buy, they don't have to buy WP.

If you wanted to sell your car for £50k and I came to buy it and had just won the lottery. If you said £70k, well there are many other cars for sale and I would go elsewhere and you would have lost out by not selling your car. Or you'd hope I could at least convince you I was going elsewhere, if I had any negotiation skills. So would you sell your car for 50k to me? Yeah you would. 

The media's only interest is revenue, talking about their local teams or the bigger teams gets more views and thus more as revenue. There's no (hidden) agenda

Just now, tomav84 said:

i mentioned andy carroll, and that is the classic example. liverpool got stung for 35m for the guy because they just got 50m for torres. it definitely happens, IMO and sure there are other examples out there.

Sure but my point would be that Newcastle would have said he wasn't for sale unless it's a crazy price (35m) and Liverpool decided he was the only guy they wanted so we're happy to pay over the odds. It's a free market where Liverpool could have gone for any player. It just doesn't make sense that they would accept 25m but because Liverpool now have money they'd only accept 35m from them. Liverpool could have walked away and you presume they would have feigned that in negotiations. Then Newcastle would have lost the sale of their player for the money they wanted

2 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

plus teams know we have it, so we get taken to the cleaners on transfer fees (andy carroll syndrome)

Hi Tom,

I actually talk about this above but you would have been writing your message. I don't think this can possibly be true but happy to debate it as itd be a big part of conversation if Jack goes

15 minutes ago, nick76 said:

No chance for £130m.  Every player we are after if we sell Jack suddenly doubles in price because they know we have money.

There's a few things like the above which are often said which I find odd. That's just not really how an open market works. If a team value a player at a certain amount they will sell him at that amount, regardless of if the buying team just made alot of money. 

Now there are times when a team sell a very expensive player and then seem to buy other players for way more than they should cost that I'm sure people would mention. But this would just be the selling team not wanting to sell and so putting a ridiculous price on their player and the buying team deciding that despite it being ridiculous they have just lost their best player and can pay over the odds for the replacement.

So if WB are looking for £35m for Leon Bailey and then AV sell Jack. WB arnt going to up their price, as AV will walk away and look elsewhere. Then WB wouldn't even get what they wanted.

However if AV sell grealish and decide they need Ward Prowse but AV have already been quoted something ridiculous like 60m. AV might end up paying that now they believe they really need them.

Also there's no conspiracy that the media are trying to do things to help the top 6 and not the other teams. I.e by unsettling Grealish but not unsettling players AV want. They are just trying to get "clicks" and Grealish going to Man City will get 100x more clicks than Matty Cash going to AV.

Anyway hope Grealish stays! 

32 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said:

I’ve never understood this, do penalty goals not count? You still have to score them 

Sure, i get this, but if you assume the team who will sign that penalty taking player already have a reliable Penalty taker,  him scoring a load of penalties doesn't really add anything to your team as youd have scored just as many penalties anyway. 

I knew I couldn't go the whole season without losing.

With 8 teams going straight into QFs there's not too much difference between finishing 1st and finishing 8th.

1 hour ago, LancsVillan said:

Saw that when I got up earlier... unlucky 

 

Lucky to score so high, but iv been holding 2 DSTs since week 9. Rams and Bills play NE, NYJ and NE during playoffs

4 hours ago, maqroll said:

Already in a 82.84 point hole FFS