brommy

34 minutes ago, sidcow said:

I disagree entirely.  Just look at the press coverage of him when he won.  He was stunned,  shocked bewildered that his plan had backfired and he had shafted the nation with his clever meddling to try and oust Cameron.

I don't see how Johnson could have hoped to damage Cameron and obtain a Remain vote. Wouldn't anything other than a Leave result (or possibly a 51% Remain vote that was seen a too slender) have strengthened Cameron's position and pushed Johnson out in to the cold?

26 minutes ago, sidcow said:

May is a credible person to turn to the nation in a few months and say I am sorry but we need a new referendum because we now know that this is the real situation no maybe x may happen or possibly y may happen.  This is how immigration will have to look like and this is the tarrif deal we will have to have,  do you still want to do this?  It was only Cameron who said it would be a single referendum 

Perhaps the UK should have continuous referendums until one side is backed unanimously. This appears to be as little as 62% in some circles.

9 hours ago, Chindie said:

People, usually expansive middle aged women, that take the lift one or two floors.

I'm going up 11 floors, use the **** stairs! I dont want to be delayed by the fact you're too lazy to use your legs.

I'd ban lifts going up less than 2 floors unless you were disabled or moving heavy stuff. You'd have a key or something that overrides the ban if you had disability or was shifting something heavy.

I'd be interested  in others opinions of those who are disabled because of their weight. Do they count as disabled or lazy? During numerous trips to the U.S., I have witnessed lots of morbidly obese people sat in electric scooters whilst they scoffed hundreds of calories snack food. I remember queuing behind a man who appeared to be in his late thirties, both in age and in stone. He sat in his electric scooter and ate two large tubes of Pringles in less than 10 minutes. It was before 9am. I remember my mind swaying between pity, disgust and finally shame that I was thinking either emotion. I suppose one shouldn't judge until one knows the exact circumstances of each individual case but surely there's a chance that some individuals have self inflicted physical disability. Should that be then seen as a mental disability? Is extreme laziness a mental disability?

4 minutes ago, Folski said:

What's the general consensus on Farage in the UK?

I dislike much of what I know about Farage but I will admit that taking the VillaTalk referendum poll in to account, VillaTalk may not be the most balanced place to ask the above question.

It is possible that a Remain result would have lead to even more racist attacks. It appears the referendum itself could be blamed, but we shouldn't allow a very small minority of mindless idiots to dictate to democracy.

4 minutes ago, Chindie said:

The EU and the EEA are different. We chose to leave the EU.

The single market has regulatory and legislatory requirements to operate as a single market. So it doesn't just want any 'customer'. It wants ones that can achieve the required standards.

Does the EU single market not trade outside itself?

19 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36659900

Invoke article 50 - either betray your demographic who want control of the border or forgoe the single market.

I thought the UK's referendum result displayed a willing to leave the single market. Isn't that what a 'Leave the EU' success would mean?

As for access to trade with the 'single market', why would any market refuse customers?

The EU's own intransigence could be their own downfall.

I won't buy one until I know it exists and I like it.

4 hours ago, Duck said:

Someone mention fashion?

Charles N'Zogbia says hi!

I know it's an old photo but jeez, what a individual*.

* moderated personal insult.

The teachers always go back a day or two before the kids.

Just now, Chindie said:

It can do. But the EU has always benefitted some nations more than others, which is why it was keen to develop its less well off members to try to remove problems of economic disparity in part. It's aim is more or less to develop an even playing field in every element that it can.

It is possible to see why significant numbers of those in the more successful economies would not necessarily want to dilute their economies to create 'an even playing field' amongst a large number of countries with a great variation in living standards.

5 minutes ago, Chindie said:

It's an extension of the single market, effectively creating a single labour market, and ties into the EU's founding principles of bringing Europe closer by allowing and encouraging mixing of people more easily. The idea being to combat 'Othering' to develop 'we feeling' (not my term).

Doesn't a single labour market disadvantage those countries with weaker economies to the extent that they lose skills and productive population? Doesn't a single labour market also risk alienating the local population of the more successful economies?

1 minute ago, BigJim said:

It is essential to big business. German industries built their power on hiring cheap immigrant labour and laying them off again when it suited them.

Why is it essential? Why can't each country decide what their current labour requirements are?

Has the EU ever explained exactly why the free movement of labour is so essential to membership of their club?

Just now, MessiWillSignForVilla said:

That isn't an answer. That doesn't tell us at all what they plan to do about immigration. If we want to trade with the EU, we'll have to accept free movement, so what are Leaves actual plans to deal with immigration?

I didn't know every country that trades with the EU has to accept 'free movement'.

3 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said:

That's probably not going to happen, but you have to parse out the financial vs the real economy. The effects on the real economy aren't instantaneous and will play out over the next few months, these are obviously things like consumption, investment and employment decisions. Economic growth and productivity are two things that are likely to take a substantial hit.

I fully expect the economies of the UK and the current EU countries to suffer in the short and medium terms. Even before a referendum was first talked of, I expected the EU to struggle in the medium to long term so the UK may be better off long term.

Incidentally, the vast majority of the 'leave' voters I spoke to before yesterday were fully prepared to accept the likely short and medium term problems but were optimistic of the UK's ability to recover and prosper in the long term. Short term pain for long term gain.

Incredibly early days (the outlook should be to years and decades, not just for today), but after the initial panic, I think the markets have taken the result reasonably well. Consider that the stock and currency markets had already 'priced in' an expected remain result and were considered to be temporarily slightly high. Before yesterday, there was talk of 'profit taking' after a remain result which would have resulted in a drop in share and pound value, albeit smaller than with an exit result. As it stands the FSTE 100 has recovered to a 2.3% fall whilst the pound appears to be affect more at around 8% lower. I expect the pound to continue to struggle for some time but it may recover a little against a weakening Euro. Either way the figures to date don't yet appear to be in the 'sky falling down' category. Time will tell.

5 minutes ago, The_Rev said:

Well, I hope those who voted leave exchanged their summer holiday currency yesterday because a pound is going to be worth **** all by the time the bureau de change opens for business today.  

After reading a BBC article that the pound could fall on either result (a remain result was expected to see the pound sold in profit taking after it was seen as artificially high), I bought Euros yesterday. I'm glad I did as it was a significant amount.

I hope voters of both sides aren't too surprised by the sudden movements on the markets. They historically panic in the event of change before settling down again.

In light of this impending change, I am fully expecting economically relative chaos in the very short term, difficulties in the medium term and a situation in the long term that is slightly better than if the UK had stayed in the EU, although how the latter is judged will be difficult.

ITV have called it as a leave victory.

Scotland will need the oil price to rise significantly before it could afford to go it alone.

3 minutes ago, Danwichmann said:

 I believe this signals that we don't like foreigners, we don't want to work with others, that we believe we're special and superior to the rest of the world.

Is that true of all countries that are not in the EU? We may be the first countries to leave the EU but won't be the only countries to be outside of the EU. There are even countries that have chosen not to join at all. Are all those countries inhabited by those who don't like foreigners, don't want to work with others and feel superior to the rest of the world?

1 minute ago, Kiwivillan said:

I'm no expert on the matter but do leave voters think leaving will improve the economy because I can't see it

The vast majority of leavers I have spoken to acknowledge there will be short to medium term damage to the economy - significantly in the short term (markets dislike change), less significantly in the medium term. They see it as a price worth paying for their other (much documented) reasons which include an optimism that the economy will benefit in the long term, especially compared to a troubled Eurozone.

All down to the remaining London boroughs to save the remain campaign.

EDIT - and the biggest vote of the lot from Birmingham.

Latest forecast says it won't be enough.

2 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

Sky's forecast is 56 to 44 for remain.... it isn't a prediction it's a forecast based on what's in already

 

sky saying that London needs to exceed previous expectation for remain to win it though 

So Sky are forecasting the London boroughs will exceed previous expectations of already fairly high remain majorities?