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Sigh. It's okay. You can stick with policy in theory and I'll stick with policy in practice.

You ignored almost everything in my posts apart from the bits you needed to support your argument.......it kind of brings me back to where this all started, an anti-Conservative video that ignored the real facts in favour of rhetoric....

It's something I like the most about him; his willingness to embrace everyone. Sadly he hasn't quite shown the same regard for the rest of society, eg-those on the supposed right, especially relative to Brexit, but I am blaming his party for keeping him under wraps because his Eurosceptic attitude probably would've split the party further; despite me desperately wanting to hear what he really thought.

Please, read my initial post. It outlines most of what you request. I criticise not campaigning on policy but anti-Conservative rhetoric, the fact that it's a very Labour mouthpiece and in a further post show that PFI was not pointed out, despite being part of the websites direct criticism; I even mention NHS agency staff. I don't feel ridiculed at all, sometimes you need to write a little to free up the entrenched. Hopefully you're less stuck in a cycle of WYSIWYG.

I take your premise of 'my opinion' but their promises don't even bother to tackle the issues. Planning is impacting the whole industry and I work with the whole industry. I work in housebuilding/construction because I have worked on the front line in much of the service sector, it's progression. I also worked under Labours ignorance and I worked under Tory mess. I want to solve the housing crisis for all and I'm doing a better job than Labour have since I was born. (they did a good job before I was born) I have been the MAIN proponent in industry for CLTs, co-op housing and council/housing associations. When you see 'diversity' in the Conservative manifesto it's because of our work. When you see local business being part of procurement; it's our work. Late payment policy. Land pooling. Large sites being split up. German model of CPO. Neighbourhood Planning. Small sites. Council Housing. MMC. Local Authority borrowing cap. Apprenticeships being discussed with more regard. It's our work. Oh and speculative homes, because they increase diversity when built by regional/local companies, or even groups! So no, my opinion has ALWAYS included the entire market and I often appear on stage with Housing Associations where we spend 90% agreeing on policy but 10% disagreeing that our guys make as much as they do; SMEs typically make a lot less. You don't know anything about me and you haven't bothered to find anything out (clearly, as you haven't really read anything I've written). But heck, be sure to follow the Labours approach of ignoring industry. It's really helping get homes built.

Yes, yes it was. If people don't know by now that the figure was an poorly crafted illustration rather than a fact then then they are listening to campaigns and not facts. This plonker spouting nonsense is simply making things worse but I did watch the interview and what did Boris actually say? He was trying to talk about taking back control, eughhhh, before being cut off, but I can't find anywhere on Peston where he says 'yes, £350m is going to the NHS', just a jumble of words that he wasn't allowed to get out. (maybe I missed some of the interview?) You don't see me calling Corbyn a terrorist for his thoughts on the IRA, or lack of them. Because he's not and anyone I see or have spoken to who mentioned it, I shot down.

Sigh. I suggest you learn something about the NHS before assuming a video is giving you all the facts. I believe policy has to be deliverable and realistic in the context of not only the environment you have, but one you want to achieve. Clearly a fools life for me.

Unless you want a supply challenge for the next decade it's the only immediate solution. Besides, they have agreed with me and similar voices in many meetings (we even worked together on the Neighbourhood Planning Bill) they just aren't ready to take on local authorities in a manifesto just like they're not ready to take on electoral reform.

That's kind of my point. We have her and Jess Phillips as MP's; why? Because of people voting on parties on not politicians. Same for Godsiff. I know they're all Labour but they are people who have impacted me personally, who didn't give and don't give a proper carp. (Many awful Conservative ones too) Videos and images from 'a-political' parties which only explore one POV are simply adding the weight of misunderstanding and emboldening others. I am the very first to criticise a bad Conservative policy but I feel others are first to criticise the party before considering what the policy even means. I am as unpopular with Conservatives as I am with Labour supporters.

I can tell you if you like; the people who go on about '£350m to the NHS' when they was cleared up as soon as it was mentioned.

Not mudslinging? Coalitions with other parties to 'stop the evil Tories'.....sigh.... Engagement in policy, jesus tap dancing christ. I spent the last 2 weeks begging Labour manifesto writers and researchers to consider planning policy because it was the route of almost ALL affordability in the UK.....yet developers were blamed in the final document....great engagement and understanding of the real problem....even the Conservatives have bothered to listen more than Labour have, and I lobbied when Cameron was in power! When the people alliance make a video that shows what the Labour party were responsible for - that includes the Conservative failures - post it me. That's was my point and further evidence that this campaign is more about not voting conservative than voting for someone with answers they like. At least this weekend Labour have pointed out a real policy flaw on social policy! Though they've not offered the solution...actually let me just check the manifesto....nope, it's not there either, nothing tangible anyway.

Congratulations on the most entrenched lack of reality moment in your life I guess the air is still thin on the 'bus brigade'.

Yup. My voting record is very mixed; in local and general elections. Yes it is but since 1997 it's been used so heavily. I'll criticise any party for doing it but I grew up watching Labour do it best and they learnt nothing from the EU ref. You're right they are, so when they criticise PFI why don't they focus on Labour? - who while didn't introduce it - did make it so easy and ready to facilitate. Plus the reliance on agency staff IS a Labour policy so they can't talk about effing talk about waste unless they mention Labour! They are not aligned to any political party is as naive as saying bankers don't support the Conservatives. You know they're aligned, you know the partisan approach is pro-Labour and you know it's not as simple as 'vote against them to get this'. You can't be a-political and say don't vote for these, not in a 2 party system...otherwise they'd say, 'don't vote for management breaking Labour either!'

Hell yes. It means awful Conservatives who feel they have a right to a seat and terrible Labour MP's being produced through the system can do one and we might - hahahaha, yeah right - go through a period where policy is discussed and not simply campaign slogans. But then young people would be even less inclined to vote; they don't appear to really care about how something will work, just whether it sounds good in theory.

Whoever made that video is a disgrace and a perfect reason why people should vote Conservative...but at least I'll give them some credit for using the word Conservative rather than Tory. 10 years on from Brown/Blair and they're still pushing anti-campaigning rather than campaigning on their own policies....because they have none (unless you love a good promise). Another perfect reason why Labour are the nasty party. It's such a shame that the Labour party act this way but it's to be expected now. These last few weeks have felt like the referendum all over again where truth has been obscured and facts appropriated for messaging. Best post of the year for me because I was still a swinging voter with Labour on the radar; but **** that. I can't consider a party who campaigns on others failures without appreciating their own. The Peoples Assembly are another bloody mouthpiece who care more about ousting the Conservatives and supporting the Labour agenda than policy. Edit - To clarify - I'm not actually saying people should vote conservative but when it comes down to 'Don't vote Conservative', it's a really sad state of affairs. The is meant to be an anti-austerity movement who mention policy like PFI, but who haven't considered what that means in terms of Labours failures, It's anti conservative rather than pro-policy. It's brexit all over again....things can only get better....

Disgraceful isn't it. It's one reason I struggle to vote Labour; a lack of unity and a focus on their own careers. I expect a lot more from the Labour party, but then the manifesto excluded electoral reform in favour of 'constitutional convention', so meh, what should I expect!

They don't want it either, it's just an arbitrary target to win votes. It's as defective as it is effective,

Not read it all yet (and I'm expecting some real mess ups) but in housebuilding and construction (today's focus for me due to work) they are way ahead of the other, frankly clueless parties.

We have more people buying cars worldwide, more people registering them in the UK but we're manufacturing less vehicles than we did 17 years ago........so we're not as productive as we once were despite a resurgence. I get we're building more cars but how does that stack up relative to environment change and population increase? I personally feel that's important whatever the main point was.# What might prove that wrong is the increase in vehicle manufacturing worldwide, that impacts whether relatively we've been even more successful...I haven't checked those stats yet...I'm driving home shortly, perhaps the radio will tell me

I'm going to post what I posted a few weeks back but perhaps you missed....or you're taking a Labour approach to facts Efficiency is definitely one important factor in why they are staying however I am going to question where you got your stats from. To me it seems 2000 was the glory year; with car ownership also in the 25m mark. We have a lot more cars on our and foreign roads, so perhaps the stats aren't actually all that great? As with San Fran and the EV car fiasco, Japanese companies are already moving design/production to Britain to try and realise a marketplace post-Brexit.

I belong to one now after spending 7 years in the wilderness. A few parliamentary debates swayed me. I have been trying to stand for quite a few years but for whatever reason I've been unable to get my foot in the door. When I lived in Hall Green I would have tried to stand for the Lib Dems but I had to support the candidate Jerry Evans, not challenge him. If anyone deserves a chance it's him! I foolishly went the way of working in as many useful industries as possible before putting myself forward. I actually thought policy mattered! Ha. When I moved to Brighton I offered to start up my old projects (tackling isolation and loneliness, youth projects and affordable housing policy) with a major political party. My passion was ignored.. That was 12 months before the snap election and of course when it was announced I put my name forward again; I just wanted them to meet me properly. All I'm after is a shot, turn me down if I'm no bloody good! The local association ignored me again and 2 weeks later a parachuted candidate was chosen; in both seats local to me. I'm still helping them but they still haven't campaigned on any local issues. I almost stood as an independent because I was so frustrated; imo local issues matter and I'm bloody sick of them being sidelined. I still consider myself a floating voter, despite putting my hand in my pocket to belong to a party. But what it painful is that very few of these MP's know anything about real life and there is not an active search for representation. Even now the push for more women in so very frustrating; especially when 40% of Conservatives MPs went to the 'golden triangle' of universities. 50% of their party did too. And in Labour it's 40%, with a hefty dollop of St Andrews and Durham thrown in. 50% of Lib Dem MP's went to those universities too. I'll keep battling but I suffer from the desire to make peoples lives better, not make them know who I am.

I think voters should have been a little more aware but having just read the 1975 literature I can see why they weren't! It made the EC argument with gusto but the non-EC one with trepidation. However, anyone with any common sense would've known the EU would grow, It's much harder than a 'yes/no' question but those claiming they didn't know the consequences should take a little more responsibility for their interaction pre and post ref. Especially if they know what the single market was! (and some people still don't). Absolutely agree with the incontrovertible pov; people still hear 'we're spending £350m on the NHS' when I hadn't once considered that.

I spent 7 years helping a Lib Dem parliamentary candidate (and Cllr) because he was and is a legend locally. In fact I'm still helping him now despite campaigning for another party and living 200 miles away from his constituency. So great when the local MP is actually hardworking.

People voted in 1975 to remain part of (not join) the EC. The EC changed beyond recognition and our opinions never mattered in any subsequent referendum. Much like this election, the full facts were not there for all to see yet a decision was made, stuck to and never revisited for a second opinion.

Awol I'm with you. I understand everyone else's point of view and Blandy is right that it wasn't explicit but heck, we need to do some thinking for ourselves and make informed decisions on how much we want to engage with lasting political choices. I notice the same ill-feeling is not directed at other votes. Alternative Vote - Yes / No - Not a vote for 'electoral reform' but clearly that's what it was for. Join the EEC - Not to join the EU or single currency system. General election - So I'm choosing a candidate to represent me locally but actually forms national government.....erm, okay. I bet people really understand that.