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3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Apparently she'll whip against Letwin 

Of course she will. If she doesn't she'd surely have to resign. There seem to be more and more MP's willing to defy and 3-line-whip which in normal times means you're basically resigning the whip but we've already established she's completely toothless.

3 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

MV3 not happening tomorrow

 

No Plan at all...

Really hope this is taken away from her tonight. She's a pathetic oxygen thief.

11 minutes ago, bickster said:

I don't think the extension counts as significantly different

It would take a very brave speaker to deny it.

Anyway. A lot of the throbbers are going mental over the prospect of indicative votes. You can literally hear them bricking it that they're about to find out just how tiny a minority they really are. Of course they could resign the whip like Soubry and the hard remainers...but they won't because they've always been the biggest cowards in the room.

So how do we think this is going to play out now?

I'll say the WA will come back Monday (Bercow will allow as it comes with the extension attached). It'll go down again although I think the ERG (or most of them) will back it. We'll then have indicative votes, but I don't think anyone can have a clue what the outcome of that will be. I reckon it'll be Customs Union + Single Market now.

Just now, Xann said:

Hundreds of gagging orders regarding Brexit impact according to Sky,  proper sinister ones according to the Independent.

Independent

There's a big discussion that needs to be had around these orders in general.

59 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said:

Her strict religious upbringing now being inflicted upon the nation.

When I read this yesterday it reminded very much of a scene in Downfall. Where Hitler was knowingly ordering little kids to their death. His inner circle were divided and suddenly Goebbels pipes up with words to the effect of "the people voted for this, they gave us a mandate"

2 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot made by a foreign government. 

I didn't say they were. It was a joke. Trying to lighten the conversation at a very serious situation but let's not pretend there isn't a foreign government operating a very sophisticated campaign to influence us. Just because it's inconvenient to you doesn't mean it isn't happening.

6 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

When reading comment feeds 95%* of rabid Russian bot comments come from people named Igor, Alexei , Anatoly or Vladimir.

 

*This figure may not be completely accurate

Fixed for you

3 minutes ago, Genie said:

I emailed my MP (Christopher Pincher) a while back, think I mentioned it. Can't remember if I posted the reply. Basically he is a leaver but has been voting to agree to May's deal as he wants the issue sorted ASAP (recognises the disruption caused). He also went on about Land Rover specifically as he is an owner of a Discovery and that he was annoyed about the production of that model being moved into Europe (didn't mention the XE & F-Pace models that have gone into Solihull).

I've emailed mine (James Morris) as it's fairly quick and easy. He won't listen though as he's considered one of the "rising stars" of the tory party. Looking at his voting record he basically does whatever he's told. Pointless.

On a side note, he really really looks like a certain dictator from the 30's and 40's you might have heard of...

3 minutes ago, Genie said:

They work for us don't they? I don't disagree with your point, but it shouldn't matter if its for the good of the nation.

Well that depends on your priorities doesn't it really? If it were me in that position it would be...

1. The country (not 'Will of the people')

2. Me - yep, I'm very important to me 

3. Party

I suspect the PM puts herself as 1, Party 2 and Country a distant 3rd.

2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Hard to argue

What's stopping her is the fact it'll tear the Tories in half. 

2 minutes ago, Genie said:

If it hits >17.5m the response will be "its fixed, its not accurate, you already lost...."

You missed "Get over it", "Will of the people", "losers", "remoaners"

8 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

That's a bit unfair. I agree with Chris. The only response will be 'the people already voted' regardless of the numbers.

I don't think so. It's not a referendum, it's a petition. The two and entirely different and people have the right to express dissatisfaction with the current situation and be listened to with courtesy. Not just disregarded out of hand because 17.4 million people voted nearly 3 years ago based on lies, misinformation and a corrupt campaign.

We vote regularly in this country (more regularly than we should do, lately!) to change government if circumstances or opinions change. We're being denied that right and shouted down.

10 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

When it gets to 17.5 million it's of interest.

How very simplistic...It must be nice to live in your world

6 hours ago, jackbauer24 said:

Signed too. It will do nothing but it's making pretty rapid progress, 1k approximately every minute. 

Yep signed. Anyone know of a single one of these petitions actually changing something? You see loads of them but never hear anything come of it. 

1 minute ago, StefanAVFC said:

The woman is shameless.

I didn't know she had a twatter account... Now I know where to send all my 4 letter expletives... 

4 minutes ago, Chindie said:

May has requested an extension of A50 until June. A short extension doesn't help anything, and just last week the government was telling everyone that a short extension in such a scenario would be disastrous.

It was also made clear that her plan remains that her deal is agreed, so regardless of Bercow the other day she's going to get another vote on her deal and will continue to play chicken with the country 

May also had a very nasty PMQs where she basically blamed Parliament for this mess and seemed to go back on agreement to allow time for indicative votes to happen to take the pulse of the House to see what might actually get supported.

Her extension request letter is a car crash.

She's having a series of meetings today with cabinet (seemingly broken into Leave and Remain supporters?), then meetings with opposition, then she's supposedly making a statement outside No.10. That last bit is the thing that will get everyone excited, but it did the last 4 times as well and all that happens is she comes out, witters on about the same old shit with the same old rhetoric, and nothing happens. This is exactly what will happen tonight. It'll perhaps be a little more ill-tempered and she'll chuck Parliament under the bus again like she did earlier, and still reassure Leave voters they will get Brexit.

A further spanner is that the EU do not want to agree to this extension. It's been said they actually said you extend to May 22nd, or for much longer, and nothing else. So of course she goes with something else. And theres talk that Macron has little interest in any extension at all. And the EU has basically had enough of this shit.

It's a **** mess. And it'll be a **** mess once she's pandered to her ego outside Downing Street later.

Fantastic. EU aren't going to give May any more room to carry on this farce any longer.

It's time this weak and despicable person made some uncomfortable decisions. For the Tories this is (and always was) a choice between a combined Economic and Political armageddon or just Political armageddon. Let's hope she'll be sensible and just take the tories down, not take the rest of us with them.

Just now, StefanAVFC said:

**** it, no deal and widescale rioting.

...when all the racists realise all the vaguely brown people havent spontaneously disolved like in Avengers:Infinity war

Can someone summarise what's actually happened today? Seeing lots of stuff on twitter about some sort of 'announcement' later?

What's changed in the 2 hours since the evil witch was at PMQs?

2 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

9 days until Brexit

"Have your cake and eat it" 

10 minutes ago, peterms said:

If a PM treats her Cabinet like this, she can expect little by way of enthusiastic support and loyalty.

It's like she doesn't trust them, they're there on sufferance, and she expects them to do as instructed.  The lady of the house with the servants, rather than a professional building a working relationship with colleagues.

There's a word for that kind of system of government...dick-something-or-other

10 minutes ago, Wainy316 said:

If Article 50 was suddenly revoked, would the pound immediately spike?

Unquestionably. You'd probably see a major spike in international investment too.

Maybot apparently writing to the EU to request extension. No word on how long for. Have heard that this mornings cabinet meeting was bad tempered with a number of throbbers threatening to resign.

10 minutes ago, blandy said:

That all sounds plausible, with the question about if the EU grant a 21 month extension under those conditions, how would a new extension June then be agreed to by the EU? I don't think it would. If they agree to 21 months on the proviso there''s an election and a whatnot, then they won't let her renege on that. The extension will have been set at 21 months.

Ah but you're forgetting the fact that she's a lying piece of human excrement and if she'll say anything she has to in order to get MPs to vote for her WA. I think she sees it as the only way her tenure can be seen as remotely successful 

10 minutes ago, blandy said:

Yes, I think it's good. He's stopped May's objective, which was to keep running down the clock, keep bringing back the same thing so that at the last minute MPs have no choice (because No deal is so diabolical). Now, May has to do something other than time-waste. So he's effectively trying to electro-shock her into actual action. Best of luck with that Bercs.

Interesting that some of the throbbers are commending Brcow for doing it - I guess they think it will result in either throbber-Nirvana, or at least the end of May's terrible deal.

Well the throbbers only objective since the referendum has been to engineer a complete "no-deal" severence from all EU institutions. They're rightly celebrating that as that scenario is closer today than it has previously been. The Remain/Ref2 side are happy because that's closer today than it has been at any time.

The only people unhappy about this are the ones wedded to May's deal...I can live with that.