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Interesting quote from Government advisor Len Baker today

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"She will get her deal through"

Dr Ben Laker says he believes most MPs will decide to vote Mrs May's deal through because it would be a "huge gamble" not to.

He told Sky News: "She will come back empty handed but this puts additional pressure on MPs and parliament to vote through her deal on the second time.

"A lot of MPs were split three ways - yes, we should vote, no we should renegotiate, or we should have a people's vote.

"But May has ruled out a people's vote so you get that down to two. Then you have those MPs who believe the Irish backstop can seek a breakthrough.

"By going and then saying to the house there is no compromise, she will say there are two options - my deal or no deal.

"Her deal will be more favourable, and in the end she will get it."

 

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Confirming everyone's worst fears. The last 2-3 months has just been an exercise in delaying and kicking the can down the road until she can turn round at the last minute and say "it's this or no deal".

She's a despicable piece of work.

9 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

Let's just remember, however poorly the EU may have played today, it was a tory PM that decided to have a poorly thought out referendum, before we really knew what we wanted. It was a tory PM that played the referendum really poorly. It was a tory PM that decided we were leaving before we had a plan on how to leave or what we wanted.

It was all those tory and labour MP's that voted it all through.

Tomorrow's papers will have it all as Tusk's fault for being a bit rude.

They've been remarkably patient considering regularly being compared to gangsters, Nazi's, the USSR.

Edit: Dammit Chindie beat me to it!

1 hour ago, snowychap said:

 

It's not just an off the cuff remark either. He's tweeted the exact same phrase. Unfortunately, I do think this will be a red rag to a bunch of morons who talk as though we're at war with the EU. The thought of Farage, Rees-Mogg and Boris being perpetually tortured by Satan won't comfort many people if/when the shit hits the fan on March 30th though.

19 minutes ago, Rodders said:

I took it as a confessional to him having a shocking attitude then in a response to a friend's attack, there's no pride in the recollection.

I took it the same way. I think uncontrollable rage is an understandable reaction to someone you love being hurt in that way. Where he's gone wrong is projecting that rage onto an entire community rather than the individual that did it. The black community as a whole are no more responsible for the actions of a few "bad apples" who like to commit crime than I am as a white person for the actions of Charles Manson, for example.

That being said, when he used the phrase "Black b******" in any context he's going to draw this kind of animosity. Why couldn't he have just said "black man/guy/person"? The actions he describes, coming out with this story in an interview with a journalist and the terminology he uses indicates to me he's either got a problem or he's just not that bright.

44 minutes ago, bickster said:

Zips – EU plans to ban zipper trousers, May 1999

 

It's about time someone stood up for the well-endowed gentleman!

5 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

Sorry, no idea how it's spelled. Took a gamble! I'll call it pasta drainage next time 

Any excuse to use a Star Wars reference, dude! Keep them coming! 

McKenna linked with Stoke for £5m

1 hour ago, tonyh29 said:

remember when that didn't happen

I'm afraid you completely missed the point I was trying to make. You're correct though, he didn't get her an extra 20 years, but his mishandling of his office (and his mouth) is a major reason why she's still in jail. Rather than defend a British citizen, he completely undermined her defence to the point that it was impossible for Iran not to jail her.

Not that I think she'd have received any kind of fair trial anyway.

The original point was my personal belief that he's a complete buffoon. An incompetent in pretty much every way that matters. He's reached his position in life purely because of his family name and their enormous (and frankly disgusting) personal wealth. It's also my belief that he's probably the biggest danger to the country right now because if/when the whole Brexit mess comes to a head and the Tories (rightly) get the blame, they might turn to him to bail them out, and guess what, he'll probably win over a large portion of the uneducated electorate. Why? Because he's funny? Because he's interesting, in a massively eccentric sort of way? Because of his expensive education, upbringing, and eloquence give the "common man" the loving reassurance that he actually knows what he's doing?

9 minutes ago, Demitri_C said:

Apparently we have pulled out of the Mings deal as we don't want to pay the 1m loan fee. Forest now favourites 

Sanity prevails

4 minutes ago, NurembergVillan said:

I can't put into words how much I hate that man.

And this one -

 

It's alright though, he's a funny chap....

remember when he was dangling from that zipwire waving mini union jacks around?? hilarious
remember when he flattened a japanese schoolboy? hilarious
remember when he got that poor lady an extra 20 years on her iranian prison sentence? hilarious

Definitely the kind of guy who's word we should be trusting.

The thought we're about to spend decent money on Mings is filling me with rage.

If the guy was a racehorse he'd have been put down long ago.

Why do we continue to do this, you don't need to waste money on the doctor to perform a medical. His record speaks for itself.

The ERG will roll over on all this, but it won't be tonight. They'll wait, run down the clock a little bit more in the hope they can engineer a no deal outcome in some way.

If/When it looks like the house is starting to coalesce around either a delay, ref2 or remain they'll instruct May that they're ready to back it, it'll then come back and be passed. I'm convinced it's going to go through in some fashion.

I find the hypocrisy of the whole situation just staggering. It's fine for May to bring the same deal back to be voted on multiple times by MPs, that's democratic, but when asked about putting it back to the people for some informed consent it's "betrayal". 

10 minutes ago, fightoffyour said:

That translates to we haven't made an approach for Fuchs at all. Good.

In Sky Sports' alternate universe Grealish is at Spurs, Tammy is at Wolves and Henry is our manager, if he hasn't already been sacked.

True. Knowing them they're trying to drive gullible fools to SkyBet as per usual.

According to SSN we've made an approach for Christian Fuchs and been told to "get Fuched" by Leicester.

14 minutes ago, Chindie said:

Been happening for months. EU punishment narrative, EU negotiating in bad faith...

Also has an added stabbed in the back narrative for shits and giggles too.

Some of the comments online to this story are downright scary... Just a select few that tickled me.

"We don't need them" - Tell that to their employees
"There's only one reason a French company has its wings made here. It's because it can't make them in France." - That's right. I'm sure the French are incapable of manufacturing an aircraft wing. Bravo
"Yes the uncertainty is a disgrace - and why? Because those who refuse to accept they lost have undermined the result and the Govt, who have been incompetent in negotiations." - Of course! It's all our fault you voted to overturn 40 years of British trade policy and thought there'd be no consequences
"How dare this arrogant company undermine our democracy and the will of its people." - Yes, how dare they attempt protect their shareholders interests. It's just not capitalism...oh wait...
"Good luck to Airbus finding a skilled workforce that they would need to replace the UK based service!!" - I'm sure those incapable foreigners are capable of making items other than cheese and wine.

Just now, Stevo985 said:

Airbus are one of my company's biggest customers, in fact they're probably THE biggest customer (I don't know if they or Boeing are bigger)

Everyone around me at work are still all pro Brexit.

Makes no sense.

Unfortunately, I think some of those people are going to need to feel the pain before they realise what they've done. 

1 hour ago, Genie said:

No-deal really is unthinkable.

JLR said its entire business is unviable in a no-deal scenario. That's another 40,000 direct jobs plus 250,000 in supply and service base.

Knocking on 400,000 jobs between JLR and Airbus alone.

But Blue Passports! And fish!

4 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

I agree  , I've said before the whole Brexit thing should have been cross party ( excluding the SNP of course )

 

I don't agree with the Lithuania line simply as businesses move all the time for non Brexit reasons ,JLR last week being a prime example .. but Brexit will be an convenient scapegoat for every bit of bad news   ( will play very nicely to a certain crowd who will be looking for something to blame  )

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Fair point. I think there's been evidence out there (not that I can directly cite it now as I'm supposed to be working !) that international investment in the UK dropped markedly as a result of the current situation.

14 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

following on from the woman who wont resign  whilst telling MP's to put self-interest aside   ,  we now have the man who met with the likes of Hamas and the IRA without preconditions in order  to encourage dialogue between "all sides"   .. refusing to meet with UK government

 

I agree he needs to have some kind of dialogue especially when one is offered but I think this is far too late now. She needed to do this right after the election disaster because it was obvious she would need some support from the labour benches to get anything through. Doing it at this late stage strikes me as an attempt to shift some of the blame to the labour side "look, I tried to deliver something but the opposition wouldn't back it so it's their fault you can't get your medicines, your house is worth less than you paid for it and your company is shifting production to Lithuania". It's a game, a stunt by the government, but by not at least being seen to want to talk he's reinforcing a narrative that will play very nicely to a certain crowd who will be looking for someone to blame for the shitshow we might be about to see.

So to summarise the government position "we're willing to compromise, just not on the stuff that's important to us"...great

3 minutes ago, lapal_fan said:

It's terrifying that we find ourselves in this position.  300 years ago Cameron would have been hung drawn and quartered for national treachery, the bastard(s). 

 

I've definitely heard worse ways to reunite the country.

15 minutes ago, snowychap said:

It's a big beef for lots of his type.

A large number of Tory leave MPs absolutely abhor him.

Yep. It plays very nicely into the narrative that it's some "metropolitan elitist" bogeymen that are trying to "frustrate brexit and the will of the people". Lots of foaming at the mouth racists will lap it up.