nick76

I agree about rotten apples in the squad but I'm not going to support a manager who is not right for the club. I will support the team at the start to the end of each game on the pitch as they need that but I will slate or big up players outside of that

Considering we've lost Ash & DJ, I think we're having a better season than last year

To protest now is ludicrous and embarrassing

Get behind the team and the manager please

Don't do it people, it's not the time for this. If we play crap and do not pick up points against Wigan/Blackburn/Fulham/Bolton then break AMC's freaking door down at BMH and protest there. Doing it before a game against an inform Man City is not the way to do it. Get behind the lads. Saying doing it before the game wont effect the players but it will, players will still see and know what's going on and will cause them to have it on their mind during the game breaking an already fragile confidence. I hate what AVFC have become of late but this is not all down to AMC. I don't think he is the right manager for the job but protesting now is stupid IMO. Wait and see how the next few games pan out, then protest as we will have valid grounds to and will carry more clout.

Agreed.

I do not rate McLeish and would prefer him not here and there may well be a time in future to protest about it but agree the timing of this protest is wrong and not needed.

but it's always waiting isn't, no time is good. First it was give him the first 7 games, then let's see by Christmas, then end of Jan, now following those games you mention, some people say end of end season, some even say end of next season when he's had a full season.

I have seen nothing in the time he has been here to warrant any more time. The fact is he isn't good enough......one or two good results or great performances will happen because laws of nature means it has to, but then we'll have some diabolical performances and most will be less than average at best. My opinion is not based on one game, it's over his duration and he simply isn't good enough over the average of the season......he has to go. No time is good so why not now? Let's think of the long term now, and get somebody else in

Look i don't rate McLeish and his record this season so far has been truly terrible and we should not be in the dunces half of league and agree theres little to suggest his crap winning 1 in every 4 or so games Premier league record will change but a protest before a game against Man City IS the wrong time for a protest.

You say theres never a right time to protest but there is IMO a wrong time to - which this weekends game would be .

If we were playing a lower level team the I agree this weekend might not be a good weekend to do it, as there is a better chance of a result, that's why I think this weekend is a better time to do it than another weekend. I'm interested to hear why you think not this weekend if there was going to be a weekend for a protest?

Back when we were actually being served up terrible football around November, most of us were saying that if the football was decent we wouldn't be moaning about the results. Now it's the opposite with the football being decent (even great at times) with the results being poor. So now it's 'no but we lost/drew, who cares about how we played'. Just admit it, some of you hated AM from the start and wouldn't accept him no matter what.

Don't do it people, it's not the time for this. If we play crap and do not pick up points against Wigan/Blackburn/Fulham/Bolton then break AMC's freaking door down at BMH and protest there. Doing it before a game against an inform Man City is not the way to do it. Get behind the lads. Saying doing it before the game wont effect the players but it will, players will still see and know what's going on and will cause them to have it on their mind during the game breaking an already fragile confidence. I hate what AVFC have become of late but this is not all down to AMC. I don't think he is the right manager for the job but protesting now is stupid IMO. Wait and see how the next few games pan out, then protest as we will have valid grounds to and will carry more clout.

Agreed.

I do not rate McLeish and would prefer him not here and there may well be a time in future to protest about it but agree the timing of this protest is wrong and not needed.

I have seen nothing in the time he has been here to warrant any more time. The fact is he isn't good enough......one or two good results or great performances will happen because laws of nature means it has to, but then we'll have some diabolical performances and most will be less than average at best. My opinion is not based on one game, it's over his duration and he simply isn't good enough over the average of the season......he has to go. No time is good so why not now? Let's think of the long term now, and get somebody else in

I hope it does happen. Embarrassing yes, but look at us already we have become a bit of a joke......unlike some on here I'd be happy for us look like clowns for a bit if it gets the desired result because watching this football for the majority of the time is painful. Also to be honest who cares what other people think, for one I only care about Aston Villa and two, this will have been forgotten when the next media story comes out. Today's news s tomorrow's rubbish and all that.

better than sitting on our backside and accepting what we are getting

Home Kit in June

Away kit in July

2 Goalkeeper kits available to buy in all sizes

Nearly double what Nike where paying per season

Full set of Leisure and Training ware

Flagship team in the UK

I fail to see any negatives

Reasoning being that fans that generally buy the kit still will but those who only buy based on style or other accessories by how it looks may not buy or buy less compared to a brand like Nike. This is only speculation and I'm looking forward to seeing the range, as it will have the advantage of being in June and July rather than Nike. But you can see the potential downside if Macrons prior history if anything to go by, but again let's wait until the range is out.......so my view is good initial deal I figures wise, not comfortable with the brand until I see the range

Its not blind optimism, it is knowing reality, and the reality is this.

Randy Lerner gambled, MON said give me a shed load of money and I will get you CL football. If he succeeded, that shed load of money would have been repaid in extra revenue.

The gamble failed and because of that, we are now in a financial mess.

Now whether you blame Lerner, Faulkner or O'Neill (thats another debate) that is the fact.

So we now have McLeish. And his brief is to sort out the mess.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE DONE IN SIX MONTHS !!!!!!

We have lost our "big" players. And nothing could be done about it. Barry and Young were coming up to out of contract and said they would not resign. Milner said he wanted out, and Downing did the dirty on us.

NONE OF THAT WAS MCLEISH's FAULT.

He then has a lot of shite on big wages that will be gone in June, Beye, Cueller and Heskey the three main ones, and probably a few more (I dont class these as shit) "older" players on big wages , Petrov, Collins, maybe Dunne, Warnock etc.....

NONE OF THIS IS MCLEISH's FAULT - he didn't sign them, he didn't give them the wages.

SO

Until McLeish has had time to sort this lot out, I will give him a fair crack of the whip. Thats not saying I like him, or I wanted him, its saying I'll back him.

I accepted at the start of the season that this was going to be a dodgy year, some good, some bad, some even ugly. And that is what we have.

We are 11th, we could be 8th tomorrow, and given the circumstances, if we are, I would suggest McLeish is punching well above his weight.

Onto Transfer topic, I am more than happy to just go with what we have, give the kids more gametime, sort out the wheat (what seems at the moment to be Herd, Gardner, Clark, Alby etc..) from the chaff (what appears to be Lowry, I know hes gone, Hogg - gone etc...)

And then when we know which kids will make it (still got to look at Guzan, Lichaj, Bannan to a certain extent, Weimann and Fonz)

THEN let McLeish buy players that we need !.

AND THEN JUDGE BOTH HIM, HIS APPOINTMENT AND THE RESULTS

until then, lay off him, coz I remember in 1987 - a certain GT team being in the bottom 3 of the Championship in November, about 9th at about this time the same year in the same division ,

the selling big players like McInally and replacing them with no ones like Olney

AND TWO YEARS LATER WHEN HE HAD DONE JUST THIS WE WERE RUNNERS UP TO LIVERPOOL !!!!!!!!!!!!

and at the end of this tiime, which I would say is end of next season then slag off McLeish and his signings, but until he / his signings fail - LEAVE IT OUT

So we have got to one place.....with varying degrees obviously from people who don't want him but we are stuck with him so give him a chance to people who don't want him and want him out now? So nobody still actually wants him here......says everything!

I wanted to be the next Villa manager, does that mean when Alex is fired I will get the job

Well, Nick, what are your credentials?

How did I do?

thanks good reply. I would ask a question though, why do you think people like me don't like him mainly because he managed the blues. I admit I hate the blues, but his being a blues manager previously has absolutely no bearing on how I feel about him now. In stark contrast I would love him to be successful just so I can turn around to my blue nose mates and gloat that we pinched a great thing from them who will be a legend at our club. So if anything him being at blues and we pinching him I want him to succeed to rub it in my mates faces. Failure they can just say they sold us a lemon. Surely that makes more sense than me wanting him to fail.

His record is my issue, how his teams play, he is unimagative, he makes constant errors, he can't react when other manages do, he's not fixing problems that are happening over and over again, international players don't seem to know what to do, tactics seem one dimensional at best and can't change, his excuses are pitiful and we generally 9 times out of 10 look the poorer team in games......that's my reasoning and that's why I want him gone now. I want to build on a team with a manager over the next 5 to 10 years as we go through this phase we are in with money restrictions.

We, as fans, need to believe in a manager that can do that but with McLeish we can't and the fans seem to be agreeing with me....low crowds, booing at games, forums in meltdown and media commenting.....it's so detrimental to the club that it has to change now or more likely the summer so this club can consolidate and build for the future. McLeish is not the answer and will never be because too many people don't think he's good enough and he isn't, I'm not backing a manager just because I hear the term we need to get behind him....getting behind the wrong person is just foolish. If there is a problem you fix it and move on, we have a problem and it needs fixing before we can move on.

1. AMs past...... when you have 200 Villa fans breaking into Villa Park live on SSN chanting "We Don't Want McLeish" it shows there is a problem. When on camera the guy interviewed says "It a'int about the blouse" when he has "SOTC" written on both sleeves and across his chest you become suspicious about peoples motives. There are too many fans motivated by a hatred of a nothing club that play in a cow shed rather than a desire to support their own team. Which I find pathetic. After all, if we refused to take on ex-blousers we wouldn't have won the European Cup.

2. Style of football..... like I said... workmanlike. Makes the best of what he's got and what he can get hold of. The one thing MON is outstanding at is getting average players to play like world class ones. AM does not have that ability. We are at our true level. Dunne makes mistakes, and for what ever reason he doesn't seem to fancy Cuellar. Thats fine. I trust him. He's got the coaching badges not me. We sold our two best players over the summer and have not replaced them so we were never ever going to move forward.

3. His record.... YES he steered the blues down... twice. They have always yo-yo'd up and down the divisions. You can't polish a turd. They are shite. They will always be shite whoevers in charge. Hughton getting them back up is not an achievement when they are one of the richest clubs in the Championship with a stack or parachute payments. BUT he took that shower of shite to a Carling Cup Final and won it. MON didn't manage to do that.

4. The fans.... the fans not believing AM will go anywhere IS problem. Not AM himself. He hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip and as I said in my OP he needs time to put his mark on the squad, and given that Randy clearly isn't handing out the levels of cash MON enjoyed that will take time. The players at home look shit scared because every mistake they make the crowd turns on them and AM. (See point 1) If walked into my office and told my staff that everyone thinks they are shit and pounce on every mistake with a barrage of abuse, my team wouldn't perform. Its the same thing here at Villa Park.

Having paid £10m in compensation to MON and GH plus back room staff, AM is here for the duration of his contract whether the fans like it or not. My suggestion? Get over it. Support your team. Stop the booing and the moaning.

i think a lot of people are forgetting that he actually wanted to be in charge of villa

and? What has that got to do with it, just because you want something doesn't mean you are god enough for it. I wanted to be the next Villa manager, does that mean when Alex is fired I will get the job

appreciate the fact that he wanted to come to us, by the sounds of it nobody else did, even martinez turned us down and that was a blessing in disguise

i think a lot of people are forgetting that he actually wanted to be in charge of villa

I'll answer happily.

I think the abuse AM has recieved is pathetic. I think that the attitude of some fans on here is pathetic. The real reason people have a problem with AM is that he used to manage the Blues. His style of football is workmanlike but do you know what.... I'm not sure how else we are supposed to play having sold Downing and Young over the summer.

I think AM needs to be given time to put HIS mark on the team and that will take 2 years, especially with the spending restrictions he is subject to.

I think that posters who resort to "what a clearing in the woods" "Ginger word removed" and other arguements devoid of reasoning or sense need to have a word with themselves.

I appreciate I am in the minority but do you know what, I like the guy... and I really hope he succeeds.

His record is my issue, how his teams play, he is unimagative, he makes constant errors, he can't react when other manages do, he's not fixing problems that are happening over and over again, international players don't seem to know what to do, tactics seem one dimensional at best and can't change, his excuses are pitiful and we generally 9 times out of 10 look the poorer team in games......that's my reasoning and that's why I want him gone now. I want to build on a team with a manager over the next 5 to 10 years as we go through this phase we are in with money restrictions.

We, as fans, need to believe in a manager that can do that but with McLeish we can't and the fans seem to be agreeing with me....low crowds, booing at games, forums in meltdown and media commenting.....it's so detrimental to the club that it has to change now or more likely the summer so this club can consolidate and build for the future. McLeish is not the answer and will never be because too many people don't think he's good enough and he isn't, I'm not backing a manager just because I hear the term we need to get behind him....getting behind the wrong person is just foolish. If there is a problem you fix it and move on, we have a problem and it needs fixing before we can move on.

So the comments following brummyblokes message are not replying or debating his points but focusing on the acronyms of GC......just as brummyblokes says, you avoid answering....

I'm officially supporting McLeish now.

let's face it, the squad was already on the slide when MON left.

Three managers and an asset stripping later, McLeish has to play percentages and keep us up.

Basically Ugly football.

He is blooding the youngsters, dropping the none performing big signings... He is my type of bloke.

Most of all he is building the team into his own without changing the names much.

So I'm 100% certain we will be much better by the end of the season and will stay up.

McLiesh will be here for a long time....

Nope I want him gone. Yes he is our manager but I personally want that change. I don't want to wait until as you say 'starts doing a shit job' as although you don't agree I think that's what he is doing given the squad he has now. I don't want to wait until we are down by the bottom three when it maybe too late, I want to fix it now so we can build for the future and give somebody five and hopefully ten years to build this club. Apart from that, I can count on one hand the number of games I've enjoyed watching this season. I don't expect free flowing football but this is the first season I've had to make myself watch almost every game.....

Hands up who wouldve picked that substitution at half time??? even if Gabby was injured who wouldve picked Warnock to replace him

F#ck me Warnock is on...........what planet is McLeish on

bring on cuellar and bring on bannan for hutton and keane play gabby and bent up top and we'll look a better side

if we had a decent left back i'd say bring him on but we havent...

bring on cuellar and bring on bannan for hutton and keane play gabby and bent up top and we'll look a better side

if we had a decent left back i'd say bring him on but we havent...

Is it McLeish law that we can't play more then 2 passes along the ground in a row. Absolutely no passion, no shape and he's done nothing about it on the touchline.

Absolutle joke, get this fraudster out now we're getting worse by the week and I am really starting to fear for us, despite laughing off the possibility of relegation a month or two ago.

He's looked pretty vocal on the touchline. Then again, I tend to focus on the play at hand. We passed it around well in the opening 15 minutes. So you're wrong there.

What happened for the next 30 minutes we could be 4 or 5 down. Wolves went 1 down and the players responded and it hasn't stopped. We're now in the losing position and it doesn't look like it's gonna change.

How the **** do Albrighton and Gardener get games ahead of Bannan. :?

I'm still firmly in the McLeish Out camp! Chelsea game was a big positive, there was many things I can still point to why he should go, Chelsea were poor and recent results for them have shown that BUT for the first time in only about the second full game from memory of this season I was not thinking of other things to do while watching the game. I was not depressed watching the game....frustrated at times, yes....but a bit of entertainment and more surprisingly a lot of that was due to Ireland, who I have considered one of the biggest waste of spaces in the past.

One game doesn't change my opinion and given who was out I wonder if it had been the same if those individuals were fit but that is just me being pessimistic. Let's start seeing this kind of performance consistently please....

During Martin O'Neills 3rd season we were above 6th 34 times in the season.... do opposition teams talk about our decline or us being poor when they beat us.... not bloody likely.

They just wallow in the glory of the win

It is our business to go out and beat the opposition it is not for us to busy ourselves worrying about why the opposition let us beat them or what problems they have today

This game we are all involved in can't be " heads you lose tails you lose"

I couldn't give a flying toss whether Chelsea have their youth team out and we beat them.....its their call.

PS Chelsea are now in transition..........so are we.