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Personally last week the idea of bringing in Sherwood as manager was a little horrifying for reasons most have mentioned. Lack of experience being the most evident of the reasoning for most that he shouldn't get the job. Something happened though on Sunday that made me rethink my stance... What was it we really needed to avoid relegation and possible disaster in the short term?! Half time against Leicester and we had the answer.  Someone who would come here, roll their sleeves up, and get straight into the mix with a positive approach.

Now I don't necessarily think that Sherwood was the only reason we turned that game around on Sunday, however seeing him bomb down to the changing room at half time with the attitude of, "I'll sort this out", Well I just felt a little more secure about things turning out ok. And after watching our midfield spring into action in the second half and prove(even Cleverly) that they have far more in the locker than we have seen of late. I'm feeling a little more positive that we can get out of this current mess we find ourselves in.

I wanted an experienced top manager however what I wanted most is a character that has a positive influence on the club and players straight away. Now Tim maybe a little dim, a little bit of a cockney wideboy, may even rub people up the wrong way and put his foot in it from time to time. But, If he gives our players the confidence to go out and believe in themselves, play the right way without fear and we manage to turn the corner. Well I'll just have to raise a glass to Sherwood because last week we were down chaps and now we have hope again. Something I haven't had for a long time.

A question for those who keep suggesting we make a move for Klopp. Are you taking the piss or do you not understand the size of Borussia Dortmund as a club or how highly rated Klopp is in world football?

Do you not understand the size of Aston Villa?! You keep aiming small mate! No ones saying he will come but as they say "If you don't ask you don't get". Klopp after being interviewed at the start of the season I believe commented he wanted to come to the premiership next season. Now unless there is some major problems at the other end of the division can you see him heading to any of the bigger clubs in the summer? Also are Dortmund going to get CL football next season? And how the hell do you know what job/project might actually tempt him anyway? Villa is still a massive club.

The way I see it is that although we have been shit for the best part of 4-5 years. IF the owner changes his stance on the direction of the club and wants to either max commercial revenue and/or increase the profile to sell, getting a big name manager with proven pedigree should be top priority.

It's an example of where we should be aiming that's all. Not the Sherwoods of this world that have proven jack shit. Even Lambert had proven more than that. 

Maybe Klopp, De Boer wont be interested but I do know who I'd be offering the job to before we get desperate for the also-rans mentioned.

Personally I would love to see us have the balls to approach the likes of Klopp, Klinsmann or De Boer. Bring in a top coach with the promise of better investment over the next couple of years to restructure the club from the academy to the first team. Of course I'm probably pissing in the wind but the TV money over the next few years could provide a good coach the base to build us back up again.

Sherwood getting the job would concern me to be honest. If he didnt get off to a good start how long will it be before he starts rubbing the players up the wrong way. Think the Villa job would be far too early for him.

 

Most winners aren't likeable. Who gives a shiit if you don't like Lennon. 

Totally agree. I said this last night, who cares if you like them or not, if they get results?

 

Lambert came across as too weak to me, more the teams mate than a manager. Need a bit of steel and authority in there.

 

Most winners are nasty b******s

 

Who you calling a nasty bast**rd?!

I like the fact that he had the nut's to pull the trigger however anyone can find the strength too put someone out of their misery in the right circumstances. Can he get the manager we need though? That's the real test as to his quality as a CEO, and an idea of the direction we are truly going in. Hopefully the owner has decided his investment is too precious to **** up and is now willing to start taking this shit seriously at least until the club is sold.

Neil Warnock anyone?

No way, lets not get too desperate!

Sean Dyche is now second favourite apparently.

Can't see it to be honest. Doesn't strike me as the sort of manager to walk out on a team at this point in the season. I would be surprised if we go for anyone under contract.

Finally!!

UTV!

I've been embarrassed to be associated with Villa for the last few years now; like others have said I'm trying to let my allegiances go from day to day, week to week etc but I do feel so angry at our demise.

We are a complete joke of a football team and it's probably best we freefall down to League One so our illustrious history is defined as HISTORY once and for all.

What you on about? "embarrassed to be associated with villa" and "it's probably best we freefall down to League One so our illustrious history is defined as HISTORY once and for all".

You sure your a Villa fan?! Get a head check!

Anyone else thinks that he wont sack lambert just because of pure lazyness?

Don't be crackers!!

BROKEN ARROW YOU USLESS word removed, WERE GETTING **** SLAUGHTERED, WAKE UP! 

BROKEN ARROW!! Funny

Does Lerner realize that new TV deal won't apply to Villa when we are in a lower League??

 

That's a hell of a lot of cash to kiss goodbye to because of loyalty to a uselss lapdog.

Not sure Lerner realises you can get relegated in soccer!

Does Lerner realize that new TV deal won't apply to Villa when we are in a lower League??

 

That's a hell of a lot of cash to kiss goodbye to because of loyalty to a uselss lapdog.

Not sure Lerner realises you can get relegated in soccer!

People are going say you need to support the players blah blah blah. The bottom line is I don't give 2 sh*ts about Leicester in the cup, and in my opinion if he isn't gone by start of kick off the weekend the supporters of our great club need to vocally protest his management. It's not nice, but a necessity now and a cup game is the right time to vent.

It's now or never for me, I just don't see what the point is waiting to protest until the end of the season when Lambert, the players and the owner can run and hide not giving a sh*t at the destruction they have caused.

The Crapship Lambert IS going down people and taking us with it!

 

even if we lose this one there will still be the same fans defending Lambert, claiming no manager is available that can do better and even if they were they couldn't with the same restrictions, that his budget is the issue, Lerner is the issue.

 

I swear if Lambert brutally gunned down his entire family people on here would claim he didn't know it was a real gun or that it was loaded or that it was his family he was shooting at.

 

Nobody has said such a thing, things are really bad for all of us right now, the last thing we need is fans turning on other fans for no reason.

 

Your right. What we need is fans turning on the manager to force him to resign or the club to sack him. It's getting totally ridiculous.

I was in the no point sacking lambert camp, but if he doesnt turn this round and make early subs then He should go :I

There is every point in sacking Lambert even if he just takes the negativity with him. Something needs to change quick before it is too late! All this give him til the end of the season is just nonsense, nothing will change as the players have a defeatest mindset under him now.

To blame tactics alone for our poor goalscoring form is naive in my opinion. It is obviously a massive part of why we aren't scoring but it is also a lot to do with confidence, lack of quality creative players and also partially to do with trying to tighten up at the back and not having the right players to be able to be both an attacking and defence force at the same time.

Can't go with all of that. You get your tactics correct, formation, movement etc, and it will allow greater opportunities to be creative increasing the confidence within the squad. Confidence will also come from the belief that what you are doing is correct. Tactics are imperative in top flight football and to suggest the players at a premiership club cannot transition from defence to attack or visa versa is very naive.

Lambert has himself said the squad is his strongest, if this is the case and I think we all agree it is, why are we in reverse?

Paul lamberts appointment was asked for BY the fans, Live with your FM decision and stick by your man and hope our team can turn things around

Not by me he wasn't. As great as the piss up was in Norwich that day I was embarrassed by the Lambert chants. But this is what happens when the manager is incompetent. People just want better.

 

But surely we all agree that there should have been some improvement. After his 3rd season in charge we really should be looking forward rather than going backwards and still worrying.

Sorry but we don't all agree. This is unrealistic in my view and here's why. Going back to the Poundworld analogy from earlier. After Lambert's 1st season in charge of Villa he was shopping in Poundworld for precisely 1 season. Now after 3 years in charge he has now been shopping there for 3 years. So why should we expect an improvement after a further 2 years of being forced to water down a Premier League squad? It is not a given when you are replacing bigger wages with smaller wages that you will improve. In fact it will invariably and inevitably have the opposite effect. This is what brings me back to Lerner. It's also why, regardless of who is in charge, if we continue down this route then it is an inevitability that we will go down. It will not be the manager's fault no matter who that is, although no doubt whoever happens to be in charge at the time will get more than their fair share of flack. For me the buck will stop categorically at the chairman's door.

 

What your saying then is the manager has no bearing on the performances of the team only money does? Line up, formation, tactics, nothing matters because it's all about the money invested? Absolute nonsense! We've been played off the park many times in the last 3 years against teams that cost a fraction of our own so called "Poundland" squad.

The thing is it's probably a good 18 months since we had to water anything down. Only players to improve have been brought in - no ones really been sold. So what if were not spending 10,15 or 20mil on players. Is that reason to say the manager is never culpable? If that is the case why not just get rid anyway, after all it can't get any worse can it?

 

 

 

while you've still got an ounce of self-respect left, resign. If you don't, you deserve all of the stick and more that's going to be heading your way.

Tantamount to bully boy tactics right there

Yet I don't seem to recall the same level of condemnation when it was directed at the likes of O'Leary, Houllier and McLeish.

 

Yet I dont seem to recall anyone ever saying to those managers 'go now or we'll hound you until you do and you'll deserve it' which is the sentiment at least of the post quoted.

 

Can you show me those posts directed at the three managers you have mentioned?

 

Where you been? Sorry but OLeary and Mcleish had far more hatred thrown their way when they were in charge. If Lambert had half the stick Mcleish had he would've been gone ages ago. Making out people are bullying Lambert is as ridiculous as it gets.

We could still do with a poll. Forget all that should he go now or wait until the end of the season mess. Just a straight forward sack him or keep him. I'd be amazed if there was less than 75% said sack him.

 Think the percentage would be up nearer to 85-90% personally.

 

 

 

What's your short term plan, one that won't be detrimental to the players performance?

Get rid of Lambert by any means necessary!

Well said.

No, not well said at all. That's not a plan, that's an aim.

How are you achieving that without it having a detrimental effect on the players? Remembering that we can't go "throwing" games. Every single one is a cup final, to use said cliché.

What's the plan?

 

What is the current plan then? You see aiming or attempting to get rid of something that is more detrimental to the team if continued is actually part of the short term plan you mention- First you stop the bleeding, then you treat the wound. Can you understand that?

Does anyone think anything on the pitch at the moment looks like a progressive plan that Lambert is masterminding? It's more like groundhog day and an experiment that continually fails and only the person carrying it out believes it will eventually come good. Nearly everyone else has just lost faith in the man or are just pissed off at the incompetence of him.

It's easy to drop the whole "every game is a cup final" phrase, we've had that shit for 4 years now. The bottom line is Lambert and the players aren't playing like they are in cup finals weekly, in fact they've been as you put it, "throwing" games away on a weekly basis. Also any notion that the fan's are now responsible for players and managers performances in the last 15 games is total nonsense. Getting behind them for the last 3 years which most of us have done under Lambert's tenure has had absolutely zero impact in terms of progression or pulling out results. And as I said previously the players can differenciate between criticisms of themselves and the management.

The problem is with Lambert not the players and believe me as much as they may like him do you honestly think they believe in what his is doing or able to implement it?

Any action to rid the club of Lambert asap is a good start to any plan, in my opinion.

What's your short term plan, one that won't be detrimental to the players performance?

Get rid of Lambert by any means necessary!

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tell you one thing, my F***** toys will be thrown out the pram if we go down this season. I will be Livid and even though Lerner may be the culprit in it all. I certainly wouldn't enjoy being in Lambert's shoes last day of the season. He will need armed guard off the pitch!!

He should be given hell even if we just manage to survive. The fact that he has dangled us over the edge of the cliff yet again is, in my belief, an absolute disgrace.

After the final whistle on the final day, all bets are off. Or when we are mathematically safe even, if that happens. Totally fine with that.

What...? When it's too late to do anything! Funny how people were saying "give him til xmas", then January and now the end of the season. Lambert is shot as a manager currently, whether the owner, fans, or just the size of the job being too much for him, it's obvious his day's are numbered. Even if we by some miracle start scoring the goals to keep us up most have had enough of the crap served up. Waiting til we are down before acting is pretty embarrassing in itself though in my opinion. Maybe it's just me but I'm not into the whole waiting until the horses bolted scenario!

I don't think he's saying that Lambert should be given until the end of the season to save his job, I think he's saying that the abuse should wait until the end of the season and that in the mean time we should focus on getting behind the team.

Mantis I hear that. But say things continue like this past the 4-5 games do you honestly keep standing by watching OUR club get shafted up the arse until the end of the season and then start crying when it's too late? My point being that maybe if we are getting battered by Chelsea with 10 min left and no hope of getting back in the game, showing your displeasure to Lambert isn't going to impact a great deal on the rest of the season yet may shake things up.

Come on then, let's hear your master plan. Maybe you'll surprise me into crying early.

 

I don't want you to cry at all! You might just start me off!!

Is there a master plan? I doubt it very much at the moment, especially with the current instability regarding our long term future. However I am struggling to believe that under Lambert we will improve very much in the coming games- Hope I'm wrong. Therefore I really think there needs to be an  awakening of some sort. Whether getting on Lamberts back will inspire the players to up their game, who knows? Whether lambert may then take notice of other voices asking for changes, who knows? Or even letting Lerner and Fox know this cannot continue.

Coming up with a long term strategy(master plan) - I need more time!!

I just think in the short term action is needed to shake things up, bit like a rocket up the arse, If not the long term will look even bleaker.

Dude, I think you've misunderstood. I'm not a fan of the manager and I think he should be sacked. No idea how you got confused there.

Yes, I think we will stay up. Just.

I know your not a fan of the manager but I'm questioning why you think the fan's shouldn't protest? I'm with you in supporting the players but no one is saying don't support them, but at what stage do you stay 'get the **** outta dodge Lambert'. Waiting until the end of the season before is pointless I think personally.