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Personally I think he has lost the fans already. Only grumblings around the ground at the moment but nobody I have spoken to recently thinks he can rescue what it fast becoming an emergency situation. It is therefore imo only a matter of time before anger at incompetency takes over and Sherwood feels the full force of the fans frustrations.
I as I think most people expected things to take time and still do to an extent with the new signings, but the manner of the defeats and decisions being made are alarming.I also think things are starting to filter onto the players in their individual performances and that is never a good thing.
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I'd be surprised and shocked if he isn't sacked.
Think your gonna be surprised and shocked for a little while longer. Take a seat, a deep breath and brace yourself.
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I think at times he needs to start releasing the ball much quicker. Fannied with it too much at times today down the middle when he had options. Would definitely start Gil in the 10 spot and play Grealish in the wider left position where he will find the spaces to play into.
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Today's defeat was most definitely down to the manager. Starting the game with Amavi and Hutton as wingbacks allowed Stoke to run in behind time and time again in the first half. Instead of looking to take the game to Stoke as we were the home team he set us up to contain them which backfired. By starting with the 3 CB's we lost a sub having to rectify the mistake at half time and the 3 in the middle were all to similar in positioning and we were too slow to move into space and spread the play. The team that finished the game should have been the team that started imo.
Sherwood needs to start showing faith in players like Ayew, Gil, Grealish and Traore when fit and get them in the team. At least two or three of them at a time because without them we are up shit creek without a paddle.
I want all managers at Villa to succeed and believe Sherwood deserves time, but watching him morph into Lambert with his cautiousness in approach to games, with the formation and line up's, well it's becoming harder to back him. I really think the players we have this season are more than capable of getting us to mid table but at the moment he is crushing us and himself with his decision making.
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Really don't think we helped Amavi or Hutton today. The formation was all wrong from the off playing them both as wingbacks. With the 3 CB's and 3 in the middle we smothered ourselves down the centre and exposed ourselves on both flanks. The amount of times they both got doubled upon in the first half was ridiculous in fairness to them. Switching to a 4 in the second half helped but the changes bringing on Gil and Ayew were too late.
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Cannot see someone like Wilkins making that comment tbh. The bloke is very measured and cautious with his comments at the best of times never mind around a media crew, off air or not.
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We have to start playing to his strengths, certainly got some quality about him.,
Have to agree with this. We know that if we put good balls into the box he'll score with his head. This is probably the simplest form of football there is....no tippy tappy, no step overs. Get the ball out to the wing and let players like Amavi cross. Let's obviously develop Gestede over the coming seasons but let's not try and change the fundamental player and try and make him play like Messi. If we get more crosses into the box, he will score a bag full of goals because he is that good with his head. He could easily score 15 goals from doing that this season and we would all be delighted with a striker in his first season to do that wouldn't we? it's not as if many others will even get close to that number.
Personally I think if he stays injury free and plays he will hit 15 at least this season which for a 6m player from the championship will be fantastic his first season in the top flight. Doing his job well at the moment. Needs to hold the ball up better but I think that will come in time. 4 goals is a solid start from him though.
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Veretout needs to play. It's okay to say he has only looked decent against lower league opposition but the lad has high class pedigree and has proven whether in the premier league or not that he can bang goals in and assist. Leaving him out and giving him cameo appearances is not going to help him settle.
Lets be fair here as most are questioning which of the two should play, Westwood has had all his life to settle in English football and how many years at Villa? Has he ever changed a game, or bossed the midfield because I can't genuinely remember? Although Veretout and Westwood are different players I think the former will offer far more to the team as a whole if he plays. It's no disrespect to Westwood either as he is a tidy player but I look at the midfield and our current options and then ask myself, "Who is he better than and and what?". Sanchez and Gana are better DM's, and Westwood for all his passing doesn't penetrate defences, assist or score either. So if we play a 3 in the middle with one DM does he start? If we have 2 holding does he start? Personally I don't think he should. Veretout should be the player with along with Gana that we put our trust in as I think he will give us far more improvement in the team.
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I think the bottom line here with Sherwood is that with all the activity in the transfer market this summer and convincing the talent(that's right talent) we have brought in to come and play in the claret and blue he needs to be more accommodating in integrating them into the team.
I as most have been pretty chuffed with the majority of the signings as I believe the likes of Richards, Traore, Veretout, Gana, Amavi, Ayew and Gestede are an upgrade on what we already had. If Sherwood doesn't start to at least give game time to Veretout, and Ayew there is a real possibility of him damaging their confidence massively and affecting the squad as a whole- If not already.
Whether against lower league teams or not leaving players out after good performances doesn't send the right message to your squad and in the cases of both Veretout and Ayew neither will ever be ready unless they play, it's that simple, and added to the fact that match fitness and peak performance levels will bring out the best in players it's bloody stupid to continually give fragmented game time to players requiring just that.
Carles Gil for example has been superb for us for a high percentage of his time since joining the club, and added a dimension that was serverely lacking last season and has continued in the same way this season yet has had to sit out the last 2 games on the bench?! It's incredibly naive to believe he couldn't of added something to out attack last Saturday.
Personally I think Sherwood needs to find his nuts and show faith with the players we know are good and those brought in before he f**** it up completely and his managerial career in the process. I was very unsure as to whether he would be right for us but after last season and keeping us up(Although I did say under Lambert our squad was better than the results suggested) he deserved the benefit of the doubt. However I think he is undoing himself with silly decisions especially the subs he is making at times which are baffling if I'm honest. He does though imo deserve time to turn things around however shit that may be for some to take onboard.
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Personally I think Grealish is a level above Gil - Gil is great to have around the squad for when Grealish needs a rest or Traore is injured - I think there's room for both in a 4-2-3-1 but I don't think there's room for Traore too. When Traore is fit I'd drop Gil, but it's great to have options.
I thought he had a poor opening thirty minutes against Leicester but improved markedly after that - we need to give him more football to get the best out of him.
Cant agree with that post although nothing against your opinion but I think Gil is the most technically gifted player at the club and on previous performances deserves to be starting at the moment. I think he is a real class act and won't be surprised if one of the top clubs come sniffing for him soon. Definitely in my starting 11 if fit.
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One concern I do have with Richards is his tackles always seem to be very last ditch, not bad if you have one central defender like that but Lescotts the same as well, we could do with a centre half that could stay on his feet more
1. Surely if his tackles are "last ditch" as you put it he is staying on his feet until the last moment before going to ground or making the challenge/block?
2. Generally when a defender makes a challenge it is more often than not in the final third and the last line of defence before opponents are in on goal. Most tackles are at the last moment as players are taught to stay on their feet as long as possible looking to intercept the ball before going to ground. It's what good defenders do!
3. Richards for all the crap from some about not being a CB, or too rash, or the general not good enough, has been absolutely solid carrying out his duties over the first 5 games at centre half. Okay he isn't McGrath, Laursen or Mellberg but he is a definite upgrade on what we have had the last few years and will get better. A massive plus for me having him and one of our stand out players so far.
Out of all the posts I've ever read - I think this is the one that I disagree with the most. For ease, I've numbered the various points.1. That's not what 'last ditch' tackling is and you know that.
2. No, they don't. Defenders make challenges within their own half and at many different times and it's not often that they'll commit if they are the last line. They have to stay on their feet and stay between the attacker and the goal, creating as much pressure as possible - only making a challenge if an opportunity to do so arises, or better still holding the opposition up until another player can double up and take the ball.
3. He really isn't an upgrade on Vlaar or Okore, a downgrade if anything. At 27, how is he going to make up for one of his biggest problems - his lack of experience in that position? You can't just pull it out of your arse.The thing that is most frustrating is that throughout this time, we've had to suffer Bacuna at RB, when we've got a guy who's a top 6 RB playing at being something he's not.
You go on about disagreeing with my comments the most yet partially agree and say something similar?! See the bold above?
1. A last ditch tackle is exactly what it says it is. Making the challenge/tackle at the very last moment in order to stop the opponent from scoring or positioning themselves to. If not what else is it then? You've highlighted it yet said nothing to enlighten us as to your definition of a 'last ditch tackle'.
2. Secondly I didn't mention defenders not making challenges in their own half?! The final third was mentioned in relation to the opponents final third if that is what you was getting at, but if you had read on you may have worked that out. Also if a defender or any player for that instance is the last line of defence at some point if not covered or backed by a team mate there will be a moment more often than not where the attacker will force the defender into committing it's called action and reaction and is inevitable.
3. You mention Richards lack of experience as if he is some sort of one trick pony. Like your the all seeing eye that can see into the future and tell us Micah Richards cannot get better at 27+? You talk nonsense! Like Vlaar was captain fantastic. A good defender yes but definitely had more than a rick or two in him and cost us goals with his rashness at times- definitely not the level of previous CB's. Or Okore bless him, who I do think is a good CB and will get better but lets get this straight. The majority of Richards experience is at RB yet his overall experience in a winning environment with better players at a higher level is far greater than Vlaar or Okore. And on top of that he has done nothing really poor for people to question his position or place in the team.
Players as they get older will transition into different positions as they grow, gain strength, slow, mature, or just because their skill set increases or decreases. To say a player needs to pull positional experience out of his arse or if they are being asked to play in a different position to previous they are automatically not good enough shows your own level of experience regarding football needs game time never mind Richards.
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One concern I do have with Richards is his tackles always seem to be very last ditch, not bad if you have one central defender like that but Lescotts the same as well, we could do with a centre half that could stay on his feet more
Surely if his tackles are "last ditch" as you put it he is staying on his feet until the last moment before going to ground or making the challenge/block?
Generally when a defender makes a challenge it is more often than not in the final third and the last line of defence before opponents are in on goal. Most tackles are at the last moment as players are taught to stay on their feet as long as possible looking to intercept the ball before going to ground. It's what good defenders do!
Richards for all the crap from some about not being a CB, or too rash, or the general not good enough, has been absolutely solid carrying out his duties over the first 5 games at centre half. Okay he isn't McGrath, Laursen or Mellberg but he is a definite upgrade on what we have had the last few years and will get better. A massive plus for me having him and one of our stand out players so far.
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I think we need to stop making up chants and start asking the question as to why a 9m player looks completely out of his depth.
How much of a look have we actually seen? Give the lad a chance.
No villa89, it's clear that most of our signings this year are massive flops, and we should sell all of them, bar Amavi, for £1m each just to cut our losses and get them off the wage bill.
Lambert out! Everyone out!
Whilst your sarcasm is clearcut, I'd bite your hand off for 1m for Ayew..
Good job you're not in charge of negotiations then.
Well if I was, Ayew and Gestede wouldnt be at the club, Charlie Austin would be and we'd be a couple of mil better off.
Wait, isn't this the Jordan Veretout thread?
It's the writing off players after 2 games thread!!
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We will be fine, I am not sure we have had the chance to put our our strongest 11 yet. Grealish was missing, Gil was missing, Adama, now Gueye... we really need all 11 to play together for a period of games.
The problem is though DK82 will we ever have our strongest 11 playing? Most teams possibly won't for majority of the season. What we need is for all our players knowing their jobs,giving 110%, for the coaches to give them the right instructions and then make the correct changes when needed.
I do think we will be fine also, although I say it so often I wonder if I am carrying out some sort of conscious ritual in order to ease my subconscious. A psychological calming of the mind after the last few years me thinks. F****** Villa!
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I think we need to stop making up chants and start asking the question as to why a 9m player looks completely out of his depth.
I'll give him time, but it's time we don't have.
Yeh.......your giving him time alright! Not got a Danny La Rue!
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I'd be amazed if they didn't know what was wrong....putting it right is an entirely different thing.
Lambert didn't recognise though and many managers fail to do in game. Rogers at Liverpool- no plan B, hence he is now walking up the steps before the hanging commences.
I think it was MarkAVFC40 that mentioned when Gil came off it should have been for Hutton who should have slotted in at RB with Bacuna in front providing the cover, Veretout on for Grealish or Sinclair and drop to a flat 4-5-1- Or something along those lines. I totally agreed with that as I thought we needed to kill the game with numbers in our half when we went 2-0 up as Leicester were pushing us back. He didn't react to that in the slightest the way he should of which was disappointing imo.
Anyway what's done is done but it has put a shit load of pressure on us beating the baggies next sat which I don't think we needed right now.
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New original chant formally known as The Kinks 'Follower of Fashion', now named 'Follower of Aston'.
They seek him here, they seek him there....
He's just to fast, You best beware,
Flying down the wing you know that he is just the best,
Cuz he is Aston Villa's Adama Traore.....
Oh yes he is....oh yes he is...oh yes he is...oh yes he is,
Aston Villa's Adama Traore...
Flying down the wing you know that he is just the best,
Cuz he is Aston Villa's Adama Traore!!!!
I want royalties for this!!
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I don't Believe the blame for that loss lies in just one area, for me it was a number of factors.
Sure, 2 forwards was a strange one for me , when midfield needed reinforcements.....but how can we be sure Veretout is ready, how can we be sure he would have been the answer.
some posters talk about playing good football in the future, we are playing good football now......its ugly football we are struggling with..... we need to understand how to close a game down and take the points.....get in players faces and upset their rhythm..... we actually aided and abetted them by flying in like headless chickens.
Strangely, before the game, I thought we had little chance, but good football put us in front.....We do lack an enforcer, one who can lead from the front, one who can instigate a pro active mood during a game and not a reactive/apologetic one.
I agree with a lot of this TRO. I do think though that with our manager what I do want to see is a reaction to the changes the opposition makes and a definitive response which leads me to believe he has spotted the problems occurring during games. Whether or not Veretout is ready I would have like to see the changes reflecting the pattern of the game. I was so obvious yesterday that the midfield required the additional back up in the form of another CM and Bacuna needed assistance down our right.
I thought the starting line up and formation was spot on and we did play some fantastic football in the first 45min. So he is setting us initially up well, however games are won and lost during the 90 min and if he can't spot danger as it appears we are in for a frustrating time. Still backing him but he needs to shape up just as much as the players imo.
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Thought I'd give this thread a bump as I would imagine that with Gana's hamstring injury he'll be coming back into the side.
Hopefully he will pick up where he left off against Notts County where I would say while not spectacular, it was his best performance in a Villa shirt so far.
Indeed, if Gana is out busted on the sideline I would like to see Veretout given a chance to prove his worth. I think he has the potential to become a really good player for us and I'm confident he'll want to prove himself at any given opportunity.
I hope you're right. So far I'm a little sceptical, but can be easily turned around.
Really don't think there is anything to be sceptical about with Veretout. Honestly believe he will be the most all-round midfielder we've had since Milner. Even Richards gave him a mention the other week when asked about Gil.
Richards also spoke of his admiration for new boy Jordan Veretout.
Veretout impressed in the 5-3 win over Notts County - and Richards believes he's a top player.
He added: "Jordan has a lot of energy and he is a one-touch, two-touch player.
"He is very technical. He trains very hard too.
"I was happy with the way Jordan played the other night against Notts County and it was great for him to get some more minutes in English football because he is still adapting."
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I just don't think he suits our formation.
Which one? The 4-3-3, the 4-5-1 or the 4-4-2?
Rest assured we will use several formations this season and when he adapts to his team mates and the pace he will be fine. Give the lad a chance.
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Found that between 6:30 and 7:30 last night this was happening on Windows 7 & 8 and also Tapatalk on different devices. Also this evening from 5:45 to 6:30. Also happening at other variable times. throughout the day.
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Maybe I should have worded that first sentence differently so you wouldn't need to take it out of the paragraph and highlight it out of context with the rest of what I wrote. I didn't mentioned badge of honour or a financial return as such however when you pump a good percentage of your own fortune into something with no return even in a gratitude sense from some quarters then it's a thankless task. Why the hell would anyone else put themselves into that situation? Lerner's problem was leaving the likes of Faulkner etc to run the club however as I stated in a previous post he has been stung for that. Well and truly.As you also mentioned the profit for an owner should come through the sale of the club and as a fan why the hell would I feel differently?
Let's get this straight, I am no fan of Lerner as I wasn't of Ellis and I don't give a toss how much he loses financially when he lets the club go as he will definitely lose out. Both have been poor for different reasons however the continual moaning about the net spend especially this season is what I will back him over. The club has always needed to to be self sustainable and he needed to right the wrongs with his appointments. He's doing that as far as I can see and therefore I have no need to slag him as some do.
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He may not have put much money in the club but we're in a much place under Lerner as a business than we would have been under Deadly.
is this not mainly down to health and age reasons though? Because for the majority of premier league seasons under Doug, we were not in debt and finishing top half on a regular basis. I'd also guess that less teams were earning more money than us each season, as we seem to have dropped in that respect under Lerner.
I think they're different worlds, finances have moved on an awful lot since Doug's times and indeed a fair bit between now and when Lerner bought in. I think Lerner thought at the time that he'd be able to put this club into the champions league for an investment of £20m a season and that once he was there, that £20m wouldn't be needed any more. Within ten years, the game added another zero to those numbers and became beyond what Lerner could afford to do.
In some ways, since he decided to sell the club, he's become a better owner - as a caretaker with a desire to ensure a stable business, he's more effective than as an owner that wanted to get involved and make things happen - he's put better people in place, they're making good decisions and he's letting them get on with it; everything a good owner should do.
There have almost been three ages to Lerner - the first, where he had an ambition and the sort of money that mattered back then; our lost opportunity. The second where he floundered in trying to figure out what he wanted, what he was doing and what the point of it all was, and this final act, where I think he's quite sensibly managing an asset that's for sale. The outstanding question mark is to how long this third act can hold.
As a final point, and one that should be repeated every single time this comparison is made - Lerner has invested/lost/wasted around £200m of his own/his families money in this football club - Doug Ellis never ever put a single penny of his own money into it.
Health and age notwithstanding, the game had moved on from owners like Doug, the age of local businessmen was over and he could no longer afford to be involved - that had been true for a decade before he left and it was becoming more and more acutely obvious as time went on - the same is possibly true for Lerner, but at least he has the good sense to have noticed and to be trying to make an exit.
Great post. The thing people need to realise is exactly what lerner has already pumped into our club with absolutely no return. 10 years ago he had the funds to play the premiership owner game and now after a catalogue of poor decisions he just doesn't have the clout to continually throw good money after bad. He chased a dream and fell short mainly through being badly advised, and although we have had 5 years of misery and uncertainty I personally will never cry over the lack of investment as he has invested far beyond what the previous owner did into our club in monetary terms.
My gripe is with poor decision making regarding the management of the team and backroom staff, and since the beginning of the year it appears measures are being taken to ensure these poor decisions are rectified. That is enough for me at the current time, sure we can all moan about what we ain't got but equally we could be owned by someone far worse than Lerner. I would just be happy this season with a team that stabilises our status in the league and if new owners are just around the corner then great, if not we crack on and improve with what we have. It really is that simple at the moment.
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I hate this man so much.
Talksport (yes I know!) have done some research in to net spend (it's not just us who are interested in it!) and looked at the 13 teams who have remained in the league over the last five years. It makes for some very depressing, if not surprising, reading:
13. Tottenham with net spend of £2.5m - helped by Bale's £65m sale no doubt!
12. Aston Villa with net spend of £15.4m - so £3m a season as has been a figure banded around here a lot
11. Stoke City with a net spend of £26.1m - over 50% more than us already
10. Everton with a net spend of £29.1m - yes, tight-fisted Everton have spent nearly double our amount.
09. Swansea with a net spend of £31.8m
08. West Brom with a net spend of £42m - our local rivals have spent THREE times as much as we have
07. Sunderland with a net spend of £43.7m - commonly referred in the press and under invested.
06. Arsenal with a net spend of £47.1m
05. Newcastle with a net spend of £69m - again, the selling for assets ridiculous Mike Ashley has invested nearly five times as much
04 - 01. Top four obviously!When you see the figures like this it does make me wonder how there can be any blame at managers feet with such a lack of investment year on year. In fact you could argue even the likes of McLeish and Lambert did well considering the budget. It really makes my blood boil that the press, especially the local press, aren't highlighting this more. It's DISGUSTING.
Furthermore, where the hell is the money?! How can Stoke, Swansea and West Brom in particular be bringing in more money than we are?! Then there would be the wages argument, but I can't find that anywhere, obviously it was big but now it must be very very low. But surely no bigger than the above teams. Or people may argue we are still paying for over spending prior to this time - well that would mean by now we should be matching the above teams, and yet we still can't. West Brom still spent £27m this season.
And it's not revisionism, it's not rose tinted glasses, but Ellis would have been slaughtered week on week for this lack of investment. He at least had the balls to show up! Why are me more accepting of it because it's Lerner?
Where are the fans protests? Why isn't there more of a fuss? Why are we accepting this? Have we been beaten down so much that we just don't have any fight left? At the very least, forgetting the wish to be a top six/four club, we should be competing with the likes of Everton, Sunderland etc.
I know this will fall on deaf ears, I just get annoyed that there are so few people who care any more.
I think you make good points however the current situation although very much of Lerner's own doing is also down to massive mismanagement within the footballing side of things. Lerner whether people like it or not has already spent a fortune since he arrived and I believe under the pretences that those spending it knew what they were doing. The club was always going to have to become self sustainable in the long term and we are doing now what should have been done when O'Neil arrived imo- Bring in high quality youth with long term resale value. We didn't and ultimately paid the price with the cutbacks over the last few years after paying high wages for ageing footballers.
It needed to happen though and now with the investment from the sale of tekkers and the delph we are addressing the quality of the squad as a whole. Personally I don't buy into the crap that you have to spend fortunes to remain competitive or build. Or that we need to keep spending thee same net £'s as everyone else. No doubt you need funds however getting in the right manager and coaching staff is just as important.
Most people have been unhappy and like you last season I had enough however Lambert has now gone, Lerner is staying(at least for now), and we as a club, although not spending the amounts as some, have invested very well in the transfer market this summer. We have rid ourselves of the majority of players enjoying a free ride and have players with ambition and points to prove. All the ingredients to move forward as a club again. A cracking summer imo.
We have a clean slate to now work with including the fans. New journey's to travel and heroes to build along the way. After the bullshit of the last few years I think we all need a break. A break from negativity! The crowds need to be brought back Villa Park with entertaining football and we need to encourage our team and not cry about net spend.
I also think we are competing with Everton and Sunderland this year and think we will finish above both.
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The RJW63 Official Jack Grealish Appreciation Thread
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I totally agree on the movement issue up front. It has been and is one of our biggest problems the last few years and imo the reason why we play sideways and backwards so often no matter who is on the pitch. I think that since MON there has been nothing but caution from managers at VP in the way we play. We are at home on one of the widest pitches in the league yet continually play with narrow formations in an effort to play a more contained approach. And added to the fact of a reduction in the quality of player only exposes our weaknesses further. I have personally lost count at the amount of times teams in recent years we have been dominated out wide down the Villa. It's a major problem in my opinion and one that non of the managers in recent times have tried to resolve with serious effort.
However with regards to Grealish on Saturday in the second half he picked up the ball on the edge of the stoke 18yard line, then cut back inside and dallied with the ball, Amavi went to hit the byline but had to check back and hold on as he would have been offside. Grealish then lost the ball and started to go off on one at Amavi. Grealish is a fantastic prospect but seriously needs to start releasing the ball quicker at times, especially when the fullbacks or wingbacks have run the length of the pitch or a good distance to provide the overlap. Just a point though.