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After the Stoke game Aston Villa have 45 points out of a possible 102. The final projected points total will currently be 61 points that is points after 46 games. Basing this off last seasons final table will put us 12th.

There is still 36 points to play for giving us a maximum potential points haul of 81 points.

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Since the appointment of Dean Smith the new projected points total would be 61 points that is points after 46 games. That has included of 1.25 PPG from Steve Bruce and the current 1.36PPG from Smith. Using 1.36PPG over the remaining 12 games.

Basing this off last seasons final table will put us 12th. 

According to the Birmingham Mail, Dean Smith is using John McGinn as a LB in training while he is suspended. As he is unavailable he doesn't need him with the other midfielders. 

Seems a strange place to put McGinn for training. 

If ya like this league I bet League One is a right hoot. 

*I am taking the piss. 

We need get used to the Championship now.

Our chance was when we had parachute payment's. Without the parachute payment's we have to adopt the Brentford model, it was never an option for us, it was the only choice left. Every season now a team will come down with more disposable income and each season we need to beat these teams plus the teams that are still receiving an income that never got promoted. 

We need to rebuild an entire team on a near shoe string budget. Even if it was a 20M budget, we aren't going to be able to replace all the players we are going to lose adequately. We might as well stick with Dean Smith.....because literally no one else would give a ****, at least he's a Villan. 

We got relegated and Newcastle promoted at first attempt and Norwich are doing it in the final year of the payments. Our chance was missed with the previous owner playing us with a ride or die attitude. Xia had destroyed us last season and the new owners might have a big wallet but FFP has put a rather chunky chain and lock around it. 

11 minutes ago, jim said:

Ridiculous comment. We played some fantastic football at times under Lambert, Sherwood even Bruce. All of these performances turned out to be the exception rather than the rule.

My biggest objection of Smith is is seemingly inability to change. The system he is using clearly isn’t working with the playing staff he has available. A good manager makes the best of what he has got and adapts to suit in order to win football matches.

Smith isn’t doing that. It’s clear it’s not working and he seems incapable of changing things for the better. We have got worse and for those reasons he should be relieved of his position at the end of the season if we don’t see a marked improvement.

100% agree with this including the previous managers playing good football!

Football is a constant changing beast, adapt and change to the environment your surrounded by. Dean Smith plays one formation, even if it doesn't work. His subs also back this up as they are like for like swaps. 

i don't mind him staying as manager next season but he needs to be more flexible and certainly improve our team's performances. This will be the yard stick at the end of the season and not results. 

In fairness of all the players we have signed hes a player we could turn a profit on.

Make of that what you will.

When the pressure is on and he needs to keep up with the pack we let ourselves down. We were well within a playoff spot chance not long ago only 4 points from it. Now were 9 points off which could potentially be 15 points.

Thats what i find crazy.

5 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said:

Most do, you should know this by now

I hope that he can fire Sheffield United in to the Premier League and next season return to Villa with confidence. I think Bruce not playing him and maybe him not taking his chances after injury have derailed him. Villa Park is not a place to get this confidence back. 

The Villa Park spectrum of success is 2 extreme's. We have the blind followers that he can do no wrong and the ones that think he needs to be sacked today at 10 past 9. 

He has to show his coaching from now until the end of the season to keep his job. Yes, there not his players, don't fit his system, not his philosophy and not the age of players hes used to working with.

He needs to give the owners a glimmer of hope, and the fans for that matter. I don't expect him to win every other game. In this modern era of football you need to adapt to your surroundings and grow with the evolving game. Forget everything that cant be changed. Change what can be changed, the intensity of training, the formation, the players, the diets and your tactics to suit each game. 

Even Mourinho has fallen by the way side for not keeping up with the game. He is now considering managing in Ligue 1. 

23 minutes ago, dounavilla said:

Remind me again of McGinn's fee?

Sadly thats not the rule. Its the exception.

For those interested:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11688/11640207/championship-top-scorers-will-teemu-pukki-billy-sharp-or-tammy-abraham-win-golden-boot

In short:

Tammy has had 84 shots (joint third), 48 shots on target (first), 20 goals (third),  24% shot conversion (joint sixth)

2 hours ago, sir_gary_cahill said:

He’s usually very clinical at this level, I disagree with others in this thread, I think his hold up play is great, his touch is great, he’s strong in the air, he’s just the complete striker at this level

He's a good enough player but its blatantly obvious why he wouldn't make it in the Premiership. He has a habit of hitting the ball at the keeper and he is strong in the air but his headers are very hit and miss, generally more miss, unless he is a couple of feet away from the line. 

There is a story on Sky for the race for golden boot for the Championship. It shows Tammy's issue, he has a conversion rate of 25% of shots on target. He also has the joint third highest of shots on goal. This mainly shows his movement is Premiership level and his finishing is mid table Championship level. Probably just where we are right now and also where Bristol City were when he played for them. 

19 minutes ago, TRO said:

There are plenty of examples where that is simply not so.

Check out Norwich's team .....most are Free Transfers

e.g David Platt cost £250,000 and played like a £10,000,0000 player even then.....so did Andy Gray.

We have rakes of examples of great business we had done.....its just the last 10 years its gone down the toilet.

Ever since Lerner came in and we thought we had money....we have just took route one and squandered it.

Doug Ellis might have been a tight old git and many other things...but he made the scouts and coaches work for their money.

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Oh I aren't doubting that there is value for money out there in players. Potential low fee players with a good return on investment.

I was just highlighting the fact that many fans get annoyed with Hourihane in the team and his performances. He performs like a 2M player and that's what we paid for him. We can't really expect more for a player with limited capabilities but playing with a good enough performance that also reflects the value paid for him. It's hard to be annoyed with him. He gives what I would expect him to give.  

2 million pound player plays like a 2 million pound player. 

shock, horror and suprise! 

11 hours ago, villa4europe said:

completely agree, we've bought far too many players at the height of their potential with no or very little resale value and worst of all probably not good enough for the PL anyway

the model should be youngsters who will get better after we've bought them and hopefully develop in to PL players, if we dont go up and are forced to sell we sell them to PL clubs for silly money meaning we can reinvest 

might as well even call it the james maddison model

we need 3 or 4 of him this summer

AKA The Norwich model. Every season they sell their best players and Daniel Farke's knowledge of the German league's as helped them with their promotion push. Good luck to them. 

After the West Brom game Aston Villa have 44 points out of a possible 99. The final projected points total will currently be 61 points that is points after 46 games. Basing this off last seasons final table will put us 12th.

There is still 39 points to play for giving us a maximum potential points haul of 83 points.

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Since the appointment of Dean Smith the new projected points total would be 62 points that is points after 46 games. That has included of 1.25 PPG from Steve Bruce and the current 1.38PPG from Smith. Using 1.38PPG over the remaining 13 games.

Basing this off last seasons final table will put us 12th. 

At least the anger has disappeared from our results its more expectant to lose. The excitement for the next game has gone. 

For Villa to lose its now just numbness.

4 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

both a success in the championship but a failure and sacked in the PL

what would it achieve? promotion at all costs regardless of us being shit when we get there and having to start again?

Sounds better than league one bud.

Wagner did pretty good in the prem considering how little he spent over 4 transfer windows there.

Bruce was toss but he would of done better than this. 

Jokanovik or Wagner. 

DS cant get a tune out of what he described as an embarassment of talent. Now were the embarassment of the championship like we were in the premier.

3 minutes ago, lexicon said:

I'm getting pissed off with the fans tbf. It seems that everything is demanded immediately and there's no allowance for time or bumps in the road. 

We have to get behind this project and so many people said that they were willing to but truthfully, they're not. 

Smith needs to give the fans something. Cant keep losing games with the worst defense record in the league and expect 40k people to blindly follow.

Give us a win ..... Any ****ing win will do. 2 in 14 now...

1 minute ago, sne said:

He was sacked before the 12th game if I remember correctly?

And Smith wasn't in charge until game 13

so the loss against Millwall, I guess you can pen it on Bruce, but he wasn't on the bench.

Then I stand corrected, and jolly good, good sir your 27% is correct.

Back in my box for me. 

27 minutes ago, briny_ear said:

1 hour ago, sne said:

Still better than the 27% Bruce had with us this season with this squad, but yeah.

It's far from good enough.

And indeed better - just - than the 31% that Bruce actually achieved (well, 30.7 if you’re really quibbling).

Still, we’re all agreed it’s not good enough.

Seriously.

Bruce's win percentage is exactly 25%. 3 wins from 12 games. Are we throwing darts to get the win %?

Brentford are able to do what Villa cant. They can buy multiple cheap or free players with a sight on selling the player in the future for a few million to help the club tick over, even manage a few 10M+ sales. Granted in the process have made a good squad that continually falls outside of the play offs minus once 4 years ago.

Villa need to sign players for about 5-10M and need the same improvement level as those that are free or cheap. Except we cant buy 10-12 players for 5-10M a piece. It seems for Dean working with those players without attitude or a god complex suits him. He needs to master how to keep the billy big ******* in check and their form on an upwards trend. 

I'm not sure if he has this in him.   

This is Dean Smiths signed players since his time at Brentford and sold values at the side. The players in the brackets are who played in Yesterdays game. 

Its good what he has done with the players, think for promotion we need sign 10M players turning them into 40M players, rather than 2.5M players into 10M players. Either way its better than we have at Villa atm. Kudos to him for that!

If we use this as an idea, we could have a decent enough side (completely not sarcastic) for the 22/23 season barring any exceptional brilliant transfer windows. 

4 minutes ago, cbr600rr said:

this is the problem. 42 points to play for..its all about coming to the table & doing it,delivering ,performing, this set of players have not got the minerals to do it.

brentford out punched,out classed & beat villa to the punch .

i would bet the same posts will be put up on here this time next year with smith in charge.

were all have our view on it but DS was a gamble, its clear its not working -fact- look at performance & table.

its all about levels,its just how it is..you excited about next year under DS? 

JUST GET BIG SAM IN ASAP , HE WOULD GET VILLA UP..LEVELS 

I agree with almost all you say except Allardyce. He would get Villa up a level than they currently are, but that shouldn't be hard. Allardyce is similar to Bruce except he makes Bruce's signings look like there youngsters.

Allardyce's Bolton team would send shudders down the back of many Villa fans. Ivan Campo, Youri Djorkaeff, Fernando Hierro, Michael Salgado, Jay Jay Okocha, Eidur Gudjohnson and Nicholas Anelka.

Actually the more I look at his signings, the more appealing it looks haha.

It would be like Villa signing Ramos* in 2 seasons, Kroos* or Benzema*.

*Purely speculation we may or may not be linked with these players if Sam Allardyce was hired.