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Came up from the workshop an hour ago ...  and remembered to check the score on the BBC website ...  read Villa humble ... 7:2 ... oh no and then read further Villa humble Liverpool. 7:2

Followed the Villa when they were in the third division ... Today's result has to be the most satisfying single result I can remember. 

12 minutes ago, romavillan said:

So lads, out of his depth, mid table championship level manager?

Smith out of this world, am I right? 

fify

44 minutes ago, useless said:

this angle https://streamja.com/l2Zn3 https://streamja.com/l2Zn3 clearly shows that he meant it. It's not as if it was that much of an outrageous goal that he couldn't possibly have meant it, he just lifted it over the keeper.

That was a terrible cross, nobody there; and for God's sake it went into the net. Nobody can score when the ball is already in the the net.

Bertrand out.

On 13/08/2020 at 10:11, villakram said:

Taking pleasure from inviting JWs in, for coffee and a chat/education doesn't count.

Yep all sorts of people can be nice.

I do my civic duty and invite my JWs in and keep them long as possible, pointing out the inconsistences in their postilions. Your JWs drink coffee? I got the impression they did not. Could be wrong. Sadly they don't seem to come any more.

On another note.

Regarding the two major Abrahamic faiths ... I never got the hang of believing ... 2000 y ago an angel came to a lady called Miriam (or whatever it is in Aramaic) and foretold of a godly inspired birth (by some accounts, a parthenogenetic  birth). This belief is beyond my skill set. 

Could a passing Christian or Muslim Villa fan explain where Jesus got his Y chromosome from? 

32 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

You must be the same age as me. 

I was born in May

A little bit about myself and a juxtaposition of Aston Villa and religion … nothing terribly original

Been married for 43 years now. When we first met she was not my type … but that somehow changed when she made a pass at me. We had been in the same circles for two years prior to that. 

The short answer is it [love] changes.

On 04/08/2019 at 12:56, A'Villan said:

I might be having a blonde moment. If we are 9 hours ahead, doesn't that mean that English folk are reading our contributions after they've been made?

Funnily enough for me you guys are 8 hours behind, but tomorrow?

27 minutes ago, Seat68 said:

I am reading that other nations don't keep their washing machines in the kitchen. Is this true? 

Yes that is true … some have their machine on the rocks in the local stream. Mine wanders around the house doing chores, vacuuming, dusting, cooking etc.

But a bit more seriously we have a room for the washing machine and drier.  Canada

Most detached houses have two floors … the main living space and bedrooms tend to be upstairs, and the washer drier combination can be found on either floor.

I am looking forward to August.

Getting up on Saturday morning, finishing up the bacon and eggs. Reading the VillaTalk comments. Finally some Premier League wingeing and whining about the club. None of this second tier stuff.

I am happy now.

Back where we should be.

18 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

Not all evil acts commited are the devils work. I mean look at all the evil that has been done in the name of God.  I didn’t base my belief in the devil based on that anyway. There are I believe demonic forces that enter our world. You fight these forces with God and the power of Christ. 

Well good luck fighting those demonic forces with God.

6 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I have not facts or proof, but it’s just a spiritual belief. What made me realise that I was religious was when I realised that to believe in the devil then you must believe in god surely? I don’t believe the bible word for word and I don’t think people should live by it word for word. 

You appear to say here, you believed in the Devil and that made your belief in a god somehow reasonable? Personally I would be far from sure of a belief in the Devil. If someone does something really horrific I would not attribute that to a supernatural being, nor would I attribute something to god when someone does something nice. To me it seems perfectly obvious that just is the way the world is.

10 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I totally get this .

So you agree a logical or reasoned argument won't win you over and that those of us who wish to proselytize atheism should be reaching for an emotional hook? 

4 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I wouldn’t say I don’t believe it no.

So you think it is a reasonable possibility Jesus is the son of God? But you might be skeptical that an angel foretold of the immaculate conception, but it was immaculate nevertheless? If so what persuades you?

7 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

My belief system is that there is quite possibly a god. I believe in the devil and evil

This does not quite make sense to me Mr Rugeley. You believe God is a possibility, fair enough; but, you believe (apparently unconditionally) there is a devil?

10 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I think if you reach out to Jesus and open yourself up on the religious path then you will be guided by Jesus and the light and love of Christ

Is this not a bit of a tautology? Perhaps, I think I see the light now without having any fantastic beliefs? What are my reasons for needing this belief. 

Here are some sayings reportedly from Jesus:

Otherwise, avoid rules and follow the truth you discover yourself.

Act from awareness, not habit or convention.

Don’t blindly repeat rituals.

Don’t trust those with spiritual pretensions.

3 minutes ago, Chindie said:

I think @Brumerican first linked this here years ago, but it's well worth watching

Tl;dw - Jesus has a remarkably similar story to a great many other saviour deities, and there's vanishingly little evidence that a preacher called Jesus existed at all.

I have not watched the video and I am sure it is quite erudite on the subject matter. I am guessing the problem with this kind of argument is, it is all brain and no heart. Religion has wormed its way into some people's hearts the same way science has into mine. So people I think can understand the logic behind the arguments against (certain aspects) of a particular religion, but things like science and logic might not meet everyone's needs. 

So to win people over from religion, an emotional hook is needed. God knows what that might be.

31 minutes ago, Rugeley Villa said:

If I’m being honest, no I don’t believe everything that is in the bible. I do believe in a higher power though, and I think religion can guide people in a positive way. 

Fair enough.

So I presume you don't believe that Jesus was literally the son of god? If so the little prayer you posted does not quite make sense, at least not to me.

OK, you believe in a "higher power". Is this like a personal higher power, that is represented in the Abrahamic religions? eg this higher power actually cares about you and me?

1 minute ago, Rugeley Villa said:

I have no evidence. I like every other person only has a belief. Show me the evidence that it’s not true? 

I am not making the claim that it is true. I can show you no more evidence that an angel did not come to a woman and foretell of some kind immaculate conception than for fairies under my garden shed. But there is a whack load of absence of evidence for their existence.

So you believe in something that you have no evidence for. Fair enough. 

10 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said:

There Is No One Like Jesus

There is no one like Jesus,
Our Savior and Lord
The message is timeless
The price we could not afford.

On the cross
He bore our shame
Suffering, He died,
Our souls to reclaim.

Three days later
He rose from the grave
Purchased our pardon,
We are no longer enslaved.

What is your actual evidence for believing this, Mr Rugeley?

On 13/04/2019 at 06:29, Chindie said:

It never fails to raise a surge of pride in my heart every time the elderly Jehovah troop skips past my house on their rounds.

Shame on you.

I do my civic duty and keep them long as possible. I keep them talking and explaining stuff to them. You are letting them prey on the potentially more gullible. Sadly they seem to be avoiding me now.

1 hour ago, chrisp65 said:

sorry to be boring and keep on reverting to the Oxford every time, but:

• The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

OK there we have it, Buddhism is not a religion. It's official.

Another way of arranging the deck chairs

There are two general meanings of the word atheist … a lack of belief in god and an active disbelief in god.

The first is described by the adjectives weak, soft, negative, implicit, agnostic, and the second by strong, hard, positive, explicit and gnostic.

We are talking about how/when and what were the actual meanings of the word when they entered the English language. Sure they have changed over the last five hundred years.

So to say atheism does not involve belief would not necessarily be accurate. 

Your 50% comment does not make too much sense to me in that I don't see anyone claiming a 50 % belief in anything

On 29/03/2019 at 01:26, limpid said:

Which statement is wrong? Do you mean the one you quoted? Please say how it is wrong, otherwise your dismissal is just a blind assertion.

It appears that you don't know what agnostic means. (a)gnosticism is the range of certainty of knowledge, not belief. It is unrelated to (a)theism.

I don't believe in god(s) without a reasonable evidence that it is true. I don't claim knowledge of the existence of god(s). I am both atheist and agnostic.

A modern definition from the ancient Greeks whose word it is. What's your source for your claim that it's modern?

And I agree, which is why I was asking the questions. The OP used the word atheist and I'm quibbling with his choice of adjective.

Nice ad hominem at the end. That always means you win.

You said: "You can't have a belief in atheism. That would be a belief in lacking a belief in god(s)." I took that to mean atheism does not involve beliefs. Plainly it can do … ie strong atheism.

I just happen to come across  a 1976 Webster's dictionary yesterday … it only gave the strong atheist definition. Apparently the word atheism came into the English language around the 1500s from wiki:   The term atheist (from Fr. athée), in the sense of "one who ... denies the existence of God or gods",^[134] predates atheism in English, being first found as early as 1566. 

and

The term theism derives from the Greek theos or theoi meaning "god". The term theism was first used by Ralph Cudworth (1617–1688).^[8] In Cudworth's definition, they are "strictly and properly called Theists, who affirm, that a perfectly conscious understanding being, or mind, existing of itself from eternity, was the cause of all other thing

So it would appear the term atheism(t) may predate theist in the English language. But note the early use of the strong definition of atheism.

Here is an essay from SEP that is pushing (back) for a strong definition of atheism. 

Being both atheist and agnostic I agree is a perfectly logical position to hold. And broadly that would be mine assuming we are using the weak definition of atheism.

My apologies for the word stasi. It was meant to be amusing

On 29/03/2019 at 01:37, Wainy316 said:

there really is no proof either way whether fairies are real or not. Both sides cannot prove the other wrong. It’s win win for us all . 

But we can go where the evidence takes us. The scientific method does not deal in proof but it does deal in corroboration.

52 minutes ago, limpid said:

You can't have a belief in atheism. That would be a belief in lacking a belief in god(s).

What would you call a strong (hard, positive) atheist that believes god(s) do no exist?

So your statement is wrong on the face of it. But I take your point most atheists are like of a weak (soft, negative, agnostic) flavour. 

You lack a belief in Roman gods? I positively disbelieve in those (and a bunch of others).

You have picked up on a relatively modern definition of atheism … and frankly it does not matter. So long as we understand what we understand what the person means when they use the word. This is assuming you are not an oberleutnant in the word stasi.