Captain_Townsend

I must have imagined all those games Luiz seemed to score every home game, or the time when he was immense in Unai's first season, or the Times when he was a goal threat taking a corner, or how good he was on penalties or how after lock down he stood up and was a big part of us staying up.

I would like them to release retro away kits from 1996-97 (white AST Computer) and 99/00 (white, LDV Vans).

Two of my favourite Villa away kits. 

B is a beautiful and I wish they went with that.

I just hope we keep it.

We could have done without badge-gate and the divisions it created.

At the end of the day it is understandable that people like me, who liked the original change we made, are a bit pissed that they switched back to the original concept 12 months later. Surely we can all agree they handled it badly and have rubbed some up the wrong way (no Carry on pun intended!)

The N in Aston....I mean, would it have been difficult to centre the name

20 minutes ago, _AA_786 said:

Not trying to be @rsey but why do we care?

The squad, ST, FFP, stadium rebuild etc. are all more pressing concerns 

Yeah, I am disappointed but it is way down my priority list. By far the most concerning thing for me is how clear it is from the last FAB that we aren't going to see any major redevelopment for the next 3 years. I Don't see how we bridge the gap to the rich clubs without 

Indeed. Right wing Populism and its distant cousin fascism is about convincing people who have never had it better that they have never had it worse.

It was prevalent in both Trumpism and Brexitism

If someone from 1950 was put in a time machine and brought to 2016 they would think it was a wonderful time yet Trump and Brexit was harking back to the 1950s.

14 hours ago, Mark Albrighton said:

You aren’t going to please everyone, that’s true.

I think you can more or less please the majority.

I don’t think the majority are pleased. I don’t believe it’s even a 50/50 split. I think the majority dislike the badge or are least suitably underwhelmed by it.

If I thought fifty percent genuinely liked it, I think the “can’t please everyone” argument might have some worth. But, I think it’s more like a quarter of people like it. 

There was more positivity toward the round badge which is why I feel they should have evolved from it rather than going back the Lerner badge.

When I say evolve from the round badge I mean make the new shield have a claret lion if they wanted a shield so badly. I honestly feel yellow on blue is the main part of the old badge people didn't like. Even gold would be better 

I don't understand how the name, Aston Villa,  a symmetrical name, looks so unbalanced in the new crest with the N at the 'pointy' part of the shield.

On 27/05/2024 at 20:01, Keyblade said:

Just for the sake of football I'd like to see him leave and recapture his Villa form and spirit. Also, I'd hate for that to happen at another club (likely a rival). Just bring the bastard home.

I honestly wouldn't want him to came back.

Why are you bringing the EU into it? It's more likely NATO have calculated (and I obviously disagree with them if this is the case as I am ultra pro Ukraine) that it is better to bog  and grind Russia down in a war they cannot win/stalemate rather than swiftly drive them out where they may regroup and try elsewhere or try something differently.

5 hours ago, nick76 said:

I know! How the hell has he become such a cult leader…

The same way other Fascists did.

Demonise the media.

Demonise the opposition.

Create scapegoats. 

Offer simple populist slogans.

Tell a cohort out there lies they will lap up.

Create an almost semi religious iconography around yourself. 

The rise of fascism in the mid 2010s is something we haven't adequately challenged. The response has been weak.

"It's here and it's here to stay for a fair few years but some of the stuff on here now is just repetitive whinging for moaning sake"

Fancy  that, Aston Villa fans having an opinion on their club's new crest, in their 150th season, railroaded through as an evolution of the crest they were meant to be moving away from and in place of the one they actually got a vote in. How very dare we.

Look, in the grand scheme of things, it is 'just a badge', of course and not a huge deal. It's just that for some of us that particular look is forever associated with the grim Lerner years that ended in humiliation and relegation. It was nice to think we would move on from it so it is just disappointing to some of us that we have gone back it.

25 minutes ago, islingtonclaret said:

Right, now onto whatever he has planned for Villa Park now.

Very clear from MOMS and others that this will be no big expansion and as a matter of fact less GA seats as they convert GA seats into GA +.

Thanks for your loyal custom down the years but we're moving on, and here's your new badge!

2 minutes ago, CarryOnVilla said:

Thanks.

What a season last season was. Loved the team and Emery.

Off the pitch? Leaves a sour taste, very reluctant to buy any merch going forward tbh

4 minutes ago, BleedClaretAndBlue said:

Surely they will redo the Holte End mosaic

No chance, and I wouldn't want them to. The old Trinity mosaic was a timeless classic as it was never changed.  The mosaic on the Holte is a mosaic

Please, please be the end of this vile, corrupt, populist, racist, misogynistic word removed.

1 minute ago, villa4europe said:

That's a bit harsh, I dont think Chelsea or utd are in a different boat to us, not a clue about Newcastle

Radcliffe will make a lot of noise about utd but the proof will be in the pudding, all he's seemingly done so far is asked for a handout 

You could say we made a lot of noise, got euro 28, and then bottled it utterly. I wonder what we look like on the outside. 

And of them, Wolves expanded in 2011.

7 minutes ago, CHW said:

The Trinity upper is already amongst the Gods.  A tier above that would be crazy when we have the ridiculous 1970s North Stand begging to be bulldozed.  A Trinity extension would also do little to resolve one of the key problems which is lack of corporate hospitality space.  A new North can be as deep as they want and cater for this.

The short-term reduction in capacity is not that bad economically, they are the cheapest seats in the stadium.  I'm amazed we haven't just bitten the bullet and got on with it.

 

Agree with you, it makes no sense to row back. 

The main argument people here make in favour of the decision to cancel is that we are so tight on FFP that we cannot afford to be without the North stand. This mever made sense to me given it is thr smallest, oldest and cheapest stand with badly outdated premium offerings.

If we were sailing that close to the wind the new £5m each club is getting from the cancellation of parachute payments would probably cover it and/or the changing rules being discussed. 

Another option discussed at one point was playing elsewhere for a year! My argument was that surely playing at a 36k capacity Villa Park temporarily while it's done is prefable to moving to say Perry Barr for a year which is even smaller.

Looks to me they want to keep as it is and just add premium everywhere which will kill the atmosphere and drive regulars away.

3 minutes ago, thabucks said:

The current trinity stand wouldn’t need to carry any additional weight as you’d just build behind it with the new tier supporting itself. It’s just a pipe dream as they’ve shown with the cancelled north stand there is little appetite right now to meaningfully expand. 

Ah, got you.

I know right? I grew up with Villa Park as one of the biggest and grandest grounds. Bit by bit it is being overtaken: Spurs, Sunderland, Newcastle, West Ham and soon Everton being five examples to have passed us on capacity since say 2000.

To me it affects us medium- long term financially but more hurtful it also impacts our prestige. I am really gutted they have walked away from redevelopment (if it wasn't obvious!).

@allani the new badge may well be better than the round, I am no expert and I disagree.

But for me now that's beside the point. The entire exercise reflects badly on the club. We have the CEO saying there was inadequate consulting done on the round badge even though it had extensive consultation and an actual vote!! The new badge was just handed to us, there, take it you plebs!

It just soured things.

35 minutes ago, andycv said:

Where's this come from?  Interesting.

That is from the very extensive plans for the new North stand. Now shelved.

On @thabuckspoint, I thought someone said the current Trinity isn't structurally sound enough to take the weight of another tier? Could be wrong.

On the roof, they took the other three sides all had their roofs match the current North stand!

@allani I think the point being made is a much broader one.

We embarked on a rebrand process two years ago, in 2022. Presumably,  we would use this as a jumping off point for a new branding era to some fanfare. We know that the original rebrand under Purslow had pencilled in a big launch at the last home game of 22-23 and a club video. This was all binned at the last minute when Heck was appointed.

We then entered,  eh, the new 'process' and presumably the plan was for a big launch, positive headlines,  more clicks/ more 'engagement' and all the rest. The CEO even said as much, saying it would all be revealed etc. But the result of it leaked out online in January 2024 to a 'mixed' reception. So here we are in summer 2024 after our second rebrand in as many years and there hasn't even been an announcement of the new new badge, just  as others have said, it has been sneaked out with other announcements and a really dishonest interview in a branding magazine.

That can't have been what they envisaged when they started this all off. It's not about the look of one badge or another, it's about the overall way this had all played out being a bit of a let down.

7 minutes ago, DaoDeMings said:

Anyone else feel like this rebrand thing has been massively underwhelming? Why didn't they do the badge/adidas/kit all in one? Or at least follow up the adidas announcement with something else to maintain some momentum. All feels a bit flat now

Deep down they must know they made a balls of it.