BG_Villa_Fan

if mcleish does take it he has bigger balls than more of us thats for sure

Agree. It'd be some sort of a new-found admiration from me if he has the ball to take the job. Don't think he would though.

Don't believe he'd be offered the job either because no sane businessman would do it. I still consider Lerner sane.

I'm glad someone brought this up. Can anyone explain to me why we had to pay anyone off if ..

1. O'Neill resigned as we've been told he did from the off.

2. Houllier wasn't fit enough to continue, as we've been told.

Surely neither of those situations require a payout ?

1. They bought MON's silence. Constructive dismissal or whatever. MON clearly got what he wanted out of this tribunal and no one has heard a thing about it.

2. Houllier was cleared to return by some of the doctors, he could have been advised by the club that they'd prefer to follow another route, so he got his compo too.

All IMO of course.

How about there's no bloody way we'd appoint McGinger regardless of any of the other reasons posted

a) he's shit

he was manager of the shite

c) he resigned (not something RL would like)

d) he's still shit

e) he's possibly a bit more shit than that too

If RL ever tried to employ him, he would face a shit storm and he knows it. And I don't for one minute think RL ever considered him, even for a nano-second

So ... not a fan then?

Think for a second. Who was the last Villa manager who went onto good things AFTER he left Villa.

Noooo not Mcleish! @ Ponky

If he turns us down that'd be epic. Would be a very telling sign.

TBH I don't mind Martinez as I don't really expect Villa to aim for top 4 any time soon. He's a decent manager.

Avram Grant has also won plenty of silverware.

Catch my drift?

No he hasn't really. A couple of cups in Israel 10+ years ago don't impress.

I'm suprised Steve McClaren has as many as three votes on this site, I can only guess it is someone being mischievious.

As Villa fans we have differing opinions, and disagree about a lot of things to do with our team. The one thing that we almost all agree on is, A big NO to Steve McClaren!

True.

Fans may not know what's right for a club, and I by no means am advocating for the board to listen to the fans when making a decision, but fans most definitely know what is wrong for their club.

Voted for Moyes, even though I'd prefer Ancelotti, just don't believe we stand a chance to get him. Hughes would be fine too, not inspiring but he'll probably do a good, steady job here, which I believe is what Lerner is looking for. I highly doubt there are some super aggressive and ambitions plans for the near future anyway.

I think the question has to be asked, do Villa fans really want to see Young and Downing in Villa shirts again. I don't, especially Downing. He doesn't deserve to wear the Villa shirt again IMO.

All modern day footballers are like that and I don't think any fan has the moral ground to accuse them for being the way they are, seriously. Just like a club has no problem releasing or selling a player who hasn't fulfilled the expectations, so do the players who feel are being dragged back by a club underachieving have the right not to sign an extension and/or ask for a transfer. Don't expect loyalty and sentiment when it comes to business, there's no room for that and the very few exceptions only prove the rule.

I don't think there's necessarily a friendshp between Lambert and O'Neill ... I just think their management careers have followed the same paths - in fact having both managed Wycombe and Norwich, lamberts natural next managers job is at Leicester!

There. Fixed it for you.

^ very good, thetrees

First of all, you play against a bigger team than ours. Sorry, Bolton Wanderers at the moment, and this is our challenge for the future, are above us.It would have been difficult. I knew they would put their best side out and their squad is better than ours, but look at the figures. Look at the players they have.I’m sorry, perhaps they should have warned the fans before, but it is not as if we were playing the youth team. There was risk; yes, we took a risk, but these are good players.

LOL. very good.

you write Houllier post-match speeches don't you

I would have applied for the job, but I'm unable t produce the diarrhea coming our of his mouth if I tried.

First of all, you play against a bigger team than ours. Sorry, Bolton Wanderers at the moment, and this is our challenge for the future, are above us.It would have been difficult. I knew they would put their best side out and their squad is better than ours, but look at the figures. Look at the players they have.I’m sorry, perhaps they should have warned the fans before, but it is not as if we were playing the youth team. There was risk; yes, we took a risk, but these are good players.

When I saw him in the starting line-up I thought Wigan would attack him and that N'Zogbia would tear him apart. Well, I was wrong, the lad did well and having in mind he hasn't played at nearly the same level, not even in the championship, he was about as solid as they come on a debut. Good luck to him and hope to see him more often in the team in the future.

Great bit of business, whatever the price tag we need a goalscorer and we shouldn't forget we're yet to play the games to get us out of the relegation struggle. Bent will help and more importnantly, it's a sign of ambition. It also shows that money talks more than league position, if this was ever in question.

By the way Dan Roan (BBC journalist) has just tweeted:

Aston Villa "totally behind" Houllier according to senior club source. Safe for now.

lol totally behind for now

Edit : eh , Briny beat me to it

I could understand him being responsible for some early poor results but some still blame him for our last result.

Theres been enough time to get over him going now, redknapp is a perfect example of a new manager not needing the no pre season excuse.

You gotta give credit to the club PR, though, as more than a third of the people who voted still think MON is the reason for our downfall despite him being away for more than 4 months.

I could understand it if people say he should bear part of the responsibility, he does, however more than all of the people who are still at the club? This is beyond gullible and naive.

Won't be surprised if next season there are quite a lot of people still blaming him for not being able to get back to the upper part of the table, provided we stay up, of course.

That, is one well oiled PR department. Respect.

Couldn't get past the first line. Eloquence doesn't hide ignorance.

People having different opinions on an internet message board shocker!

Tiring indeed when belittling our club is the way to support the manager and arguing against the 8th-12th label is apparently not showing support.

BG_Villa_Fan, an average can be taken in many ways. My point was that Houllier saying "8th-12th in the Premier League" isn't strictly wrong.

My point is that having an average of 8.4 in the way you've calculated it, doesn't necessarily mean you're 8th/9th. Simple maths.

For reference, while our average is 8.4, Tottenham's is 9.4 and Everton's is 11.4.

This doesn't make these 3 teams 8th, 9th and 11th, get it?

I voted yes by mistake, should have read it more carefully! So that's another NO then. GET RID! We aint a 8th-12th club like he has stated!

.... but in the history of the Premier League, 8-12th is a fairly accurate average.

Seriously? Check your facts.

Not this argument again..

92/93: 2nd

93/94: 10th

94/95: 18th

95/96: 4th

96/97: 5th

97/98: 7th

98/99: 6th

99/00: 6th

00/01: 8th

01/02: 8th

02/03: 16th

03/04: 6th

04/05: 10th

05/06: 16th

06/07: 11th

07/08: 6th

08/09: 6th

09/10: 6th

I said "fairly accurate" which, in my opinion, it is.

If you average it out properly it will probably give you a result of something like 6th-10th (I haven't worked it out, I'm just guessing).

I don't believe this is the correct way to judge the average position, the all time premier league table is a better reflector IMO.

Case in point, Chelsea, if you're calculating their average positions during the premier league you'd get 5.17, yet they're clearly not the 5th/6th when it comes to the success they've had during that period.

I voted yes by mistake, should have read it more carefully! So that's another NO then. GET RID! We aint a 8th-12th club like he has stated!

.... but in the history of the Premier League, 8-12th is a fairly accurate average.

Seriously? Check your facts.

Truth is, if he's lost the dressing room, there'd be only one way for him and the club. Now, obviously, we don't know if he has, but we can't bury our heads in the sand and not see the indications. If it's true, then I don't see how and why the players would do their best to beat West Brom and Wigan to save him, they simply wouldn't play for him.

MESSI!??!?!?!?!/

Would be a good squad player - however i said that about Steve Sidwell

Would back-up Albrighton nicely for cup games, yep.