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Cleverley needs to avoid Aston Villa like a plague. He has his faults, but Villa are the least ambitious club in the league.

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/tom-cleverley-£9m-bid-accepted-from-aston-villa-ssn.393991/page-30

Sad but probably true.

I.had a scan through that forum and it made my blood boil. They really are w##kers of the highest degree. We maybe having a troubled few years but we're still one of the finest football clubs in the country. And despite are European wilderness the last few years are still held in high regard on the continent

Beat me with the edit

Just curious; if we had an offer for Hutton this week, would you want the club to take it?

If you had asked me this most of the summer I'd have wanted the club to snatch their hands off. But now, I'm not sure. He's played very well so far, and seems a step up from both Lowton and Bacuna. We'd be effectively selling our first choice right back.

I reckon we tart up baker and clark, make them go stand on a street corner near carrington

Trouble is as we know too well they both struggle badly on corners

At least we know they both suck.

When the transfer was mentioned I thought he'd be a bit ropey, based on his age, and based on how he'd played in the Fulham defence in the last season or so.

I don't see any harm in having one opinion and then accepting you are wrong when things seem to go the other way.

I'm happy I was wrong as he seems to have gelled really well with Vlaar, and it's nice to not have my heart in my mouth when the opposition attacks (although I still do a little!). Last year we got some great results, although seldom few of these came with a 'performance', but against stoke and to a certain extent (at least defensively) against Newcastle we looked better and Senderos was a big part of that.

Wellbeck on loan?

That would be amazing, but I can't see us having the cash for an extra forward, obviously it would be great but I think it's unlikely.

I've never heard of Metalist Kharkiv, or the player... Maybe someone can fill in the Blanco's.

I've no idea if he'd be good enough, if the fee is small and wages low then there isn't much risk. You'd have to think though a player that (on stats at least) seems average in the Ukrainan league might not be up to PL standard. Has played for Argentina, but not since 2010 as far as I can see. Might be great, might be poor, probably somewhere in between.

Seriously?

Seriously! Obv heard of Kiev and Shaktar, but not Metalist. I'm embarrassed by my poor knowledge of the Ukrainian Premier league, but I really have never been that interested in the UPL.

Sounds really good, if he can sort us out a £100mil kit deal that would be pretty sweet (actually have no idea how much the macron deal was worth).

Am I being too hopeful to think that this potentially hints at signs of a takeover coming soon? If the buyer is American and knows Fox, it could be a stipulation of the sale; get x and y on board and I'm in. But maybe I am being too hopeful!

Edit: Mantis already mentioned a point similar to this.

Agree with the above in that it's unlikely and is probably a connection pre-Cissokho.

Plus, who's he kidding with the dyed black hair, he's played in the PL for years with red hair, we all know he's got red hair.

I've never heard of Metalist Kharkiv, or the player... Maybe someone can fill in the Blanco's.

I've no idea if he'd be good enough, if the fee is small and wages low then there isn't much risk. You'd have to think though a player that (on stats at least) seems average in the Ukrainan league might not be up to PL standard. Has played for Argentina, but not since 2010 as far as I can see. Might be great, might be poor, probably somewhere in between.

Portly... Wasn't Grant Holt was it?

Lestienne permanent signing, and Hernandez either on loan, or as part of a Vlaar deal.

Hernandez started for Man Utd yesterday so might fancy his chances now Van Gaal is there, so maybe he wouldn't be as willing to go on loan. I think he'd be more likely to either stay or go to Europe. Would be great for us though definitely, Benteke and Hernadez would be frightening.

We are second in the league, and not just on alphabetical order.

Yes great result! Didn't get to see the match but delighted with the result. Love that freakish is an option in the poll.

Five minutes of stoppage time? Really? What dark sector of his anus did he pluck that **** number from?

I hope a bird shits in his mouth too!

I hope birds shit in everyone's mouths.

Who's coming off?

I hope we score from this counter and a bird shits in Mark Hughes' mouth.

Ha ha! A bird, or possible Roy Keane.

Has someone chipped the roncrete?

Well this Will be fun. By rules only 1 person allowed to stand in the technical area. Will it be Lambert or Keane?

I imagine it'll be some kind of tag team scenario.

Come on villa! Nice one andi. Keep a clean sheet now and I'll be well happy!

Are stoke still playing like thugs or has the Hughes effect calmed them a bit?

Bent on at half time? Sounds like we've been playing with no strikers!

I don't think that's the problem so much as getting our "striker" involved. We really need a target up there if we're going to try and flood forward from midfield. At the minute the ball isn't sticking up top very well.

Stoke are quite organised at the back. Decent first half.

I'd bring Grealish or Bacuna on this half for Zog, or at least very early in the next half.

Bent on at half time? Sounds like we've been playing with no strikers!

How's the Vlaar Senderos partnership working? I can't watch the match so relying on VT for commentary!

No issues yet. Aly is mopping everything up.

Cheers for the update.

@darrenm is that just because they're bald?

Yes. And they're doing exactly the same effective work on either side.

Sounds ok then. Was unsure senderos would be up for it, but sounds better than Vlaar having to coach baker through the 90mins.

How's the Vlaar Senderos partnership working? I can't watch the match so relying on VT for commentary!

No issues yet. Aly is mopping everything up.

Cheers for the update.

@darrenm is that just because they're bald?

How's the Vlaar Senderos partnership working? I can't watch the match so relying on VT for commentary!