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4 hours ago, Brumstopdogs said:

A lot of the problem is the lack of communication between the actual incident happening and the decision being made - IMO it would benefit the crowd to know more about the decision making process like they do in rugby.

I agree once the decision has been made then maybe doesn't need to be announced like in the video but possibly it is worth a try to see what the feedback is like.

Might benefit the crowd more, but the main problem is the subjectivity regarding what a foul actually is.

The two penalty shouts in the Brighton game basically highlight that - in real time, the referee thinks that one is and one isn’t. There’s not enough in either for someone to definitively say “you got that one wrong” (although, for me, neither is a penalty) so the original decision stands both times.

I think that’s probably correct as far as VAR is concerned, but the nature of that subjectivity means fans just get more annoyed.

They probably need to sack it off apart from factual things like offside and maybe violent conduct not spotted or something. 

2 hours ago, OutByEaster? said:

Their fans are really weird. Already this week I've been reading that Emery only tries when he's against Arsenal and the usual stuff about the referees and the Premier league favouring Man City - today they're convinced that United have rested Bruno Fernandes because they desperately want to play him against them to help City win the league.

Paranoid, pointy, weirdos with a chip on their shoulder and a massive inferiority complex manifesting as ego.

No wonder they identify with Arteta.

You've seen our media thread where there’s a global conspiracy against Aston Villa, right?  

4 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

Henderson’s shot save percentage is 62%. Onana’s is over 75%. That’s a pretty significant difference.

Onana is also much better with the ball at his feet which you need in a modern keeper. 

You’ve just looked at “Crystal Palace” there, eh? We can run with it though.

The problem with a lot of stats is that they have no context. So Man Utd may face more shots than any other side, but how many of their shots faced are from outside the area because they don’t close down? How many are from an angle rather than central? etc etc.

As a very brief glance, goalkeeping stats use PSxG/SoT (I lol’d a bit) to demonstrate how likely shots which are on target are to lead to goals. Aston Villa are at 0.35 (highest in the division) whereas Man Utd are at 0.27 (2nd lowest in the division). This roughly shows that per shot on target faced, Villa “should” concede more often than Man Utd. It also shows that Man Utd (Onana), whilst facing lots of shots, aren’t actually facing generally more difficult shots. If anything, he’s facing easier shots which he should save more often than not.

The three keepers up there for this are Martinez, Kaminski and Vicario - all have been largely heralded this season. 

5 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

I think he’s been decent overall considering what’s in front of him.

Put a good well organised defence in front of him and he’ll go back to looking like he did at Inter. 

Decent enough. A £40m+ keeper? One of the best in the league? Not for me. Passable top half, sure.

You’d have some convincing to do to persuade me that Man Utd’s defensive record would be worse if they swapped Onana for Dean Henderson. 

8 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

Before this match Man U had conceded fewer goals than we had and it’s not down to their amazing defence. Whenever I’ve watched them it’s been Onana making reflex saves. I guess when you’re facing so many shots each match you’re bound to make a few mistakes though. 

“A few mistakes” is some understatement.

In just his last 3 games, he’s passed the ball to the opposition to score (against Sheff Utd), given away a daft penalty to concede 2 points (Burnley) and now not made a relatively basic save (granted, no impact on the result).

They’ve conceded 15 in their last 6 and that includes Bournemouth, Sheff Utd, Burnley and Palace.

Their defence is pretty wank and Onana is a big part of that, even if he makes some saves sometimes. 

39 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

Looking at the goal that was disallowed again, I think they've got that one right - Holjund is nowhere near the ball and affects the keepers ability to deal with it - I hadn't really had a good look at it when it happened and had assumed he'd nudged the keeper and touched the ball - he doesn't get within about a foot of it.

He doesn’t foul the keeper, though. If that’s a defender rather than a goalkeeper, a foul is never being given. It’s incredibly soft. 

11 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

Na, he’s kept the score down in loads of matches. Man U face the most shots of any team other than Sheffield and Onana keeps them in matches week after week. 

And yet he can’t even get a hand to a shot from 25 or so yards which he has a clear sight of and which barely moves from the middle of the goal. 

There’s a fair chance they don’t get another point this season. 

2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said:

Palace should be out of sight by now.

Will the jammiest team in football jammy it up again?

Ah.

No they won't.

In fairness, I’m not sure Man Utd’s goal should’ve been disallowed. 

2 minutes ago, Tegis said:

Casemiro

Him and the entire defence. Woeful. 

Oh my word, scored another!

For those not following my ramblings, 0-1 to Villa at half time.

Spurs scored after 71 then 76 minutes to go 2-1 up. We equalise after 83 minutes only for Spurs to go 3-2 up after 91 minutes. Villa with the 93rd minute equaliser to make it 3-3  

14 hours ago, HolteExile said:

That was Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell, a song in which Joni complains they paved paradise to put up a parking lot, a measure which actually would have alleviated traffic congestion on the outskirts of paradise, something which Joni singularly fails to point out, perhaps because it doesn't quite fit in with her blinkered view of the world. Nevertheless, nice song.

It was actually the cover by Counting Crows. They did it because it’s a nice song - you big negative Jessie!

That’s a big shame given the time

2 hours ago, GlobalVillan said:

Send the kids?

 

I would be utterly appalled if he did that. 

2 hours ago, sne said:

Barcelona implosion against Girona means Real wins the title. Girona qualify for the CL. What a day for the City-group.

Do they actually qualify, though?

1 minute ago, CarryOnVilla said:

Imagine our kids beating them too. The humiliation would be epic 

Imagine our kids playing in front of those morons for their biggest game of the season.

No thanks!

Just now, CarryOnVilla said:

Please get drawn against our under 21s in the EFL Trophy

Are you joking?

Would be utterly horrific.

THE DICKHEADS ARE RELEGATED!! WOOOOO!!

Just now, Genie said:

Injury time in the Plymouth game

4 minutes for them to hold on.

Just now, tomav84 said:

surprising from norwich. i know who i'd rather play out of leeds and southampton

Leeds 1-2 Southampton.

Just now, sne said:

VAR keeping the title fight alive

Again, I'm only on radio... but, unlike the penalty, everyone thought that should be a goal.

It wasn't VAR keeping the title fight alive, though, the ref gave a foul on the pitch.

Is this a Hull penalty?

Edit:  Doesn't look like it.  

1 minute ago, Delphinho123 said:

they’ve just subbed him.

1 minute ago, Herman22 said:

It’s this type of nonsense that annoys normal supporters. If Havertz punched the keeper in the face and went down holding his hand would you say it’s not a dive because there was clearly contact? 

The rule should be who instigated the contact. Maybe a dive is the wrong terminology, simulation is better. 

It's the sort of thing Grealish did for his entire Villa career and we never had a problem with it.

(Granted, I don't think he won many penalties - more just loads of free kicks).

Just now, AndyClarke said:

Plymouth will go down, Norwich need investigating.

Do Leicester as well?