David-Copenhagen

PB did Villa buy back the NTL shares? and if so are they under the same deal taht JP and Doug have?

i was just thinking actually. If 10% are AWOL. then 75% is harder to reach isnt it? and how may do you think will be held by small institutions? 75% might sound quite a lot, but in reality, it is only another 18.2% or thereabouts. I would suspect this figure has been arrived at knowing that some of the larger shareholders are happy to sell. For example I do know NTL had just under 10% and if sold, they are already well on their way to that figure (I don't know if NTL still do own their shares btw but this is for example) - So I would imagine Lerners advisors have already spoken to the other main holders to reach agreement. The odd one or two shares we hold is in fact peanuts - a mere drop in the ocean when you consider nearly 21% of shares are over 2.25 million in number! Ultimately I suspect that while those of us with a very very small stake sending them back might help, its the larger holders of shares who really make the difference and you can bet they have already been sounded out somehow. Now this is something I forgot - did Villa not buy back the shares from NTL? And if so does does the board acceptence of the bod include the shares owned by Villa or is that a matter for the shareholders? As a reply to Rune, I don't think there are any other major shareholders than JP and Doug. As I understand it JP got his shares from the few institutions that held shares in Villa - correct me if I am wrong.

I am woried about reaching the 75%, especially if most of the shares are held by fans in small scale - ie. 1 or 2. I suspect a lot can't be bothered filling out forms for just 1 share. Do any of you have an idea of how many shareholders there are?

Does anyone know what Villa Matters is??? the only thing I could find about them was this: Clicky

Laudrup is quite wealthy, but I think they are in the consortium qua their experince as players and contacts in the game.

Michael Laudrup and John Faxe. Not as manger and coach, but investors.

I don't know about Still and Padfield, but I know for a fact that AV06 has Danish people in there - so how they can be considdered British is strange?

AV06 have been refusesd access to the books as they won't sign a confidentiality agreement. And you know that for a fact? I know it has been in the papers that they have not signed a confidentiality agreement, but is that still the case and was that the truth to beging with?

Good point, since randy is willing to bid 62, they can just use his valuation as a gudieline, but it does seem kind of strange that they have not gone through due dilingence - or have they, do we really know what is going on. As far as the AV board goes - their obligation is to recommend the best offer for the shareholders - not the future of the business. So money talks. As I understand the AV06 consortium, it consists among others of former top players one of them Michael Laudrup - my info tells me that they are for real. What I think they want is to take over a club and Villa is a good prosepect and a very low valued one at that. A lot of people seem to think that the value of Villa could be more than doubled in a few years time, that makes room for a lot of investment in the club.

Yes you are right he can sell to whom ever he wants, but he is clearly interessted in the money based on history - would you not agree?

Since it seems that the fat lady has been on stage yet, we need a take over thread. Unless we can open the old one! I think this latest bid of 70 mill is very interessting and we can not discard it. As I see it we are in no rush after it is clear that Doug is gone, we need to build from the buttom at if it takes a month or 2 to get this sorted I will not mind - we are not going to make an impact this season anyway. Clicky

So if a bid comes in for Villa that is better for the future of the club, you think O'neill would walk just because it wasn't Lerner? Why would he do that? Dont know, ask Robert Chase why he walked on Norwich. MON is a man of considerable honour. Now it may be that he has spoken extensively with Lerner and has developed a working relationship with him based on trust. It may be that he knows he can achieve with Lerner what he wants to achieve. It may also be that he may feel he could not have the same relationship with other bidders. Or it may be that other bidders have their own ideas of where they want to go. All I am saying here is that any new bid must have the confidence of Martin Oneill. If it doesn't and he walks as a result then it is not a better bid. This is only true if MON is the only man taht can lift Villa - if/when we get a seroius backer I am sure a lot of this worlds best managers would love to work for us.

I agree MON will not be able to do much in this transfer window anyway and I want long term success not a quick fix - I can wait for the best man/consortium.

You might be right, but badwill never stopped Ellis and I can't see any serious money being given to MON untill after the 3 weeks time - but then again one can hope he might be.

A Villa world free of Ellis, just imaging. Who ever takes over now will not be Doug - THANKS

Good theory, might be true. As long as Ellis goes I will see anything as a bouns.

For the accountants amongst us: Q: Could the serpentine be revalued in this years accounts, to show a £7m increase in value? Q: As an asset would the tax liable be able to be written off against this years losses, whereas next year AVFC could be profitable? Any lawyers?: Q: A normal property deal if you fail to complete you end up paying 10% penalty or similar or something like that. Is that law of the land or varied by contract. So could a new owner come in and say "sale cancelled, here's £700k now do one" ? I am a lawyer, but not an English one as you might guess :-). I would think that the 10% clause is a consumer protection and will not apply between professionals, that is the kind of legislation we have in Scandinavia anyway.

Put it this way, when has any manager ever taken on a job in a club of this size and in a situation like ours, with just a quick chat with the chairman/man in power? Somebody talked to MON and it sure as hell was not Ellis.

So Sunderland is worth 80 mill! If that is true then Villa are at least worth the 64 mill - do you agree? Then why don't we see any interessted parties - this is very strange. I really thought that once we were safe from relegation something would happen. But nothing!! Maybe Malc is right Ellis do not want to sell - but it just does not make any sense or does it? Maybe someone could explain it.

Agreed, the risk of Villa going down have put a stop to all or any deals. I hope something will happen within the next month or so.

Somebody will have to say something! Does anybody else have a feeling that nothing will happen untill we are 100% safe?

Out!

Stalled it seams.

I agree that this is the way to value the club, problem is are there anyone oaround that are willing and able to turn this Titanic around before Ellis runs it into the ice! Actually I think that somewere in this monster thread there are qoutes of how much other clubs like West ham and Arsenal are valued at. I that light the 64 mill for Villa looks quite fair. thing is it will take some seroius investment on top of that to change things - so I would guess that we must be looking for someone willing to spend 100 mill over a few years time. Sad to say that I am not in that category.

Maybe he is ex-directory. :winkold: Who knows he might be a Sex-director - just like Rob!