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I simply cannot believe that Randy would appoint Alec McLeish.

It would defy all conceivable logic.

Two simple factors surely put him out of the running without much pause for thought:

1.He is ex-Blues which means he is a dead man walking before a ball has been kicked.

2. His teams play awful football which has led to two relegations.

I can't see it happening, unless RL has lost his marbles....

Do not believe any of the bollocks in the press or Talksport and remain sane.

Our owner is no fool and will sort this out.

This man speaks sense. The amount of media claptrap generated over the last week has been embarrassing (for the media).

Glad Bob is not the man.

This manager hunt saga is fast turning into a farce though. Just get it sorted Randy.

Any word from that guy whose brother supposedly works in accounts?

What about the PE teacher?

Quietly excited about the possibility of Martinez, he's done really well with small clubs now is the time for him to step up and build something great with Aston Villa (if appointed).

Even if he was capable of doing so, which is debatable, Villa fans will not give him time to build something great.

C'mon, he won't last the season unless we're bothering the top 6, which realistically isn't going to happen.

Is that how low we've fallen?

Fallen from where?

Winning the Coca Cola cup in 96?

Made me chuckle, but it's the cold hard truth.

How about fallen from where we were a few short seasons ago - challenging for a CL place and domestic trophies, and on the up.

Didn't Alex Ferguson go from Aberdeen to Man Utd once upon a time? I assume if we'd have been in for him all those years ago you'd have been one of the people claiming he was beneath us

He'd broken the Old Firm stranglehold to win league titles and cups, and beaten Real Madrid to win a European trophy. Those are proper credentials.

RM has managed Swansea and Wigan, escaping relegation with the latter by a bawhair.

yeah, was just about to post that.

"Aston Villa supporters - your club has behaved superbly"

"If every club behaved like Aston Villa, football would be much nicer"

Yeah very good, well done Randy.

However for the sake of argument, you could say that nice guys don't come first. The reality of life is that football isn't a nice industry and maybe we should be a bit more ruthless at times?

Who knows??

But how do you know he wont be as good as these?

Or are you some sort of all-seeing oracle who has a mystic crystal ball?

If so, please, enlighten me?

Nope, I'm sure he will be the new Mourinho. I'm pretty, pretty sure.

So there we have it. Pretty much an admission that you are indeed chatting shite!!

Indeed I am, and I'm looking forward to decades of dominance under Roberto.

What the hell have an American Football team got to do with an English Premier League Football team?

They are both sports teams with the same owner.

Therefore it's legitimate for Villa fans to examine Randy's stewardship of the Browns for clues about how he runs things.

It's not a direct comparison, but it's relevant.

Who knows??

But how do you know he wont be as good as these?

Or are you some sort of all-seeing oracle who has a mystic crystal ball?

If so, please, enlighten me?

Nope, I'm sure he will be the new Mourinho. I'm pretty, pretty sure.

I don't think Martinez is ready to manage a big club yet. If he'd steered Wigan to a couple of top 10 finishes, with maybe a good cup run - he'd be worth considering.

To put in perspective, he's not achieved as much as Curbishley did at Charlton - and I think we all feel the same way about Curbishley as Villa manager.

What did Moyes achieve before going to Everton??

What did Villas Boas achieve before managing Porto??

What did Mourinho achieve before managing Porto??

What did Wenger achieve before going to Arsenal??

See where im going with this??

Great, so he's going to be as good as these guys. You've allayed any concerns I might have had.

Because IF that happens it no longer is speculation and then becomes fact. At which point you could fairly criticise the board if you didn't like the decision. But don't criticise them for what might happen.

What the hell are you on about? I'm not criticising them for what might happen. I'm discussing the possible appointment of Martinez and my feelings if that were to happen.

Double post

The idea of martinez is that he will bring us sucess in a different way.

You mean he'll win us the Championship?

Oi! I didn't say that!! :evil:

Speculation and discussion are what the thread is for. However speculation is not something to use to criticise Lerner and the club.

Why not?

My point is that IF it turns out to be Martinez it will be hugely disappointing given the calibre of manager in the market for a job at the moment.

IF that happens, then in my opinion it will be fairly obvious that Randy has downsized his ambition for Aston Villa and wants a man who can work on a downscaled budget.

Apparently we contacted him "more in hope than expectation". What does that say about our board's thrusting dynamism??

'Apparently', which means you dont know, so why speculate??

Speculation and discussion is what this thread is for.

He was available, and we didn't get him. Huge opportunity lost.

What do you do ?? stick a gun to his head??? You also dont know to what lengths they tried to persuade him.

We contacted him "more in hope than expectation" apparently. Doesn't sound like we tried very hard at all.

Ancelottis just had a 5m payout from Chelsea. I for one cant begrudge him choosing to take a year off to spend with his family, relax and enjoy the money rather than jumping straight back into a high pressure job where expectations of fans like you is to take us straight into the Champions League!!!

We should have moved hell and high water to make him realise that becoming manager of Villa was preferable to sitting on his arse for a year. Apparently we contacted him "more in hope than expectation". What does that say about our board's thrusting dynamism??

Yeah because carlo ancelotti is going to revolve his life around aston villa,grow up dude.

The idea of martinez is that he will bring us sucess in a different way.

You say im thinking small time, well at least im thinking mate.

It's not about 'revolving his life' around Villa (whatever that means). It's about pursuading him that we are a club with ambition who wants to go places, and that we will back him to take us to the next level as we believe he is the man for the job. He was available, and we didn't get him. Huge opportunity lost.

Martinez would be a huge punt in the dark with our fingers crossed. The last thing we need at this point in time.

Thats unfair in my opinion. There seems to be this notion that we can get who we want and if we don`t its lack of ambition.

Carlo ancelotti wanted to take a year out,Thats not randys fault. What do you want him to do?

People have an unrealistic idea of how big a club we are. Geuss what, clubs like ours are a dime a dozen all over europe. It has to be said,we won the european cup almost 30 years ago now. It doesn`t mean we are still up there with man utd and the like and we can take or pick of managers.

It was up to Randy to convince Ancelotti that taking over Villa at this point in time was the right move for him, instead of 'taking a year off'.

If we keep thinking small time like you, we will remain small time.

I don't think we will with him. If we bring in Martinez WITH a ridiculously good defensive coach I think we could be decent. HE has potential with a good coaching staff.

I'd rather have a manager with a proven track record of winning trophies, than someone with 'potential' who maybe one day will be good, perhaps.

This is a massively important appointment at a crucial time for Villa. We can't afford to slip behind any further over the next few years while Martinez realises his potential, or not.

Who are these managers that will create a buzz (because thats so important in the long run) and how do you know that we didn't ask them?

Its stuff like this which is nonsense in my opinion.

You might as well say, well we didn't try and sign Kaka, we have no ambition and created no 'buzz'!

It's obvious who those managers are, and it was up to Randy to convince them to join us. He's failed to do that, and so it looks like we'll end up with Martinez.

He may do well with us, but equally he may not. It's a huge risk. He is the cheap option, and Randy's fingers are crossed that he is the answer. No evidence exists to suggest we will challenge for honours under him

Martinez would be a totally underwhelming appointment if it's him, given the calibre of manager that's available out there at the moment.

Is he the man to get us into the Champions League? Of course not.

He's a man who will agree to work with a limited budget. Martinez would just about sum up our limited ambition as a club, and we will lose our best players (again). The board had the chance to appoint a manager who could have created a real buzz of optimism around the whiole place and perhaps persuaded the better players that their future lay at VP.

Dperessing if it's true.

I wonder what blind people 'see'. I watched a tv show where a blind person said he doesn't see blackness, he actually sees nothing at all. Nothing.

Freaked me out a bit thinking about it.