Butterfingers

You never seen the Irish in London then, I take it? The police in Marseille stood back and watched the English get battered. They then indiscriminately fired tear gas at them. Are you surprised a few retaliated?

For me, last week is as bad as it could have got. I've ben round the block with the Villa. I was in the middle of the Brussels riot, the crush at Oxford and many horrible incidents in the 70's. Apart from 1 incident at Newcastle where the old travellers club coaches were battered as soon as they got off the coaches, nothing has come anywhere near last weekend, The cowardice, the bullying and level of violence was at a new level for me. I find it unbelievable that there are so many clueless people who still think that we are somehow to blame. Those injured, including the 50 year old who is unlikely to ever recover could quite easily have been any one of us off here.

Yes-It's the English disease don't you know.

I'd love Russia to play good old "everbodies friends" the Irish and see if people claimed that attacking these people was "fighting back"

"Fought back" Are you on drugs????? Middle aged men were hunted down in packs, chased, beaten to a pulp and left unconscious. They had done nothing wrong other than to be enjoying the atmosphere. Please point us to any videos where English are fighting before attempting to re-write history. The chairman of the FA has come out today and stated that English fans need protecting. Some of this anti-English stuff really is disgusting on here.

Oh right-So the Russians who planned all this months ago did so because they caught a dose of the English disease? Priceless. Likewise the Marseille scum who told Joey Barton they were attacking English "because it's our city" With the greatest respect, it is known as the English disease because of clueless fools spouting crap and journalists who want to sell stories.

If anyone thinks that the actions of the English fans influenced the premeditated attacks on them by both Russian and French hooligans, they are seriously deluded.

Just looking on his Wiki page last night, it said he was 1 year into a 4 year contract. It's possible that some form of fee would be involved but I'd doubt it would be high. I assume Lazio got him for nothing? They may of course just be glad for someone to take him off their hands.

A lot would be dependant on what sort of fee was involved. At the right price, he could be worth a punt. I'm sure that Lazio are keen to part with him. A nominal fee represents no risk for me other than a commitment to wages. It could well be that he could end up replacing Sinclair, who is rumoured to be on his way out. For me, I would sooner take a chance on Ravel coming good than I would Sinclair.

I know that it would be a culture shock for many to see a midfielder who scores goals but we have to accept that we have to take a gamble on some of these signings-Its where we've slipped to. Is it any worse than the days of Tonev and Bowrey etc? Lets trust RDM

In fact, Wikpedia says he plays for Aston Villa. Will be pleased if this comes off.

I think he's good enough for the Prem. Would be worth a punt for me. He could well be at a crossroads here and his next move is make or break for him. I wouldn't be upset in the slightest if we signed him. I think he may well appreciate the importance of his next move.

That was the only incident of note before Saturday. You failed to mention that yet again, the English were attacked. You made out that Marseille was systematically destroyed by marauding fans whereas in reality, it was a minor incident in which a few locals attacked a bar and a couple of chairs were thrown. When you retell the story though, you omit the locals and make out that it was indiscriminate mayhem by the English. Had locals not attacked the bar, there would have been no trouble. You try to make it out to be WW3 for some reason best known to yourself. It stirs it all up and people jump on the bandwagon that the English disease has returned.

Yes according to you. You tried to make a mountain out of a mole hill by turning one incident where local low life attacked a bar that English fans were drinking. By the time this gets back to VT, Marseille is "destroyed" Priceless. I really have no idea why people like you get off on this utter nonsense and exaggerating but it really does genuine football fans no favours whatsoever. Those middle aged men getting kicked to a pulp on Saturday afternoon could just as easily have been me or you if it was the Villa who were playing. You really need to think about the rubbish you post. Having your skull smashed by a chair whilst running away does not constitute provoking trouble.

I thought the French don't understand English? That's what they always say. Now all of a sudden they are able to translate explicit chanting. I'm a bit more tolerant than you. If a group of foreigners want to come and chant in the bars of my city during a large tournament then that's fine. Anyway, you seem to have detracted from poor old Marseille being destroyed and its now just a few chairs and empty bottles that (according to you) were damaged.

I don't watch much TV & I've googled a lot since Saturday night. Funny thing is, I can't find anything about Marseille being "destroyed"-In fact you'll be pleased to hear that it looks perfectly intact on the subsequent videos.

"Destroying Marseille". Where was this? Where is the proof or are you just posting this for effect? In many videos, the police stand back and watch English people take horrific beatings and then fire tear gas into them after the Russians have gone. & most people did try to run away-Unfortunately, the speed of the assaults caught them off guard. One doesn't normally think a 100 strong group will attack 2's and 3's

In nearly very video I've seen, the police are just standing watching as the Russians go steaming into the English fans. It just beggars belief. Can you imagine our police just standing by on Broad Street or Centenary Square if England were holding a major tournament?

What you know about it all could be written on the back of a postage stamp. To say that the English are to blame for people receiving life changing injuries is about as clueless as it gets.

If you think any of them have any respect for Chicago or any other American city, you are very much mistaken.

No chance of that-The only 2 arrested were for running on the pitch.

More importantly, who in the right frame of mind would want to drink Heineken? I have heard that some places didn't sell beer but many were buying crates from off licences.

After being attacked by the Russians-That's the only misunderstanding. None of that happened before the Russians landed, kicked many innocents to a pulp and ripped down English flags. If the police are going to stand by and watch, what do you expect people to do?

Chance would be a fine thing. They've shown complete ineptitude at policing, I doubt they could stretch to anything that involves work or making an effort.

You've seen different videos to me then. Where did you suggest all the rubbish was put? It looked to me like the bin men had been on strike for the previous month but if there is no provision to throw rubbish away, what would you recommend?