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big eck is saying same as most of the people say on here who slate hime for not having a clue about football

But not the same as those telling us how the 1st half wasn't dire - my missus doesn't know anything about football but could identify the same as above

Meh, still not dire. Pedestrian yes, unpenetrating sure. But we still managed to create a goal. Dire would be the performance against Swansea for example. Besides I thought Eck was a liar :winkold:

It wasn't brilliantly exiting but it wasn't dire is my point. The second half though was great.

It's a complete myth that we played dire football in the first half. 68% possession, 8 shots and a goal from open play is hardly dire football.

I was referring to this game in isolation. And we were almost as dominant in the first half as we were in the second, and even had a goal to show for it.

I remember people saying that they wouldn't care about the results as long as the football was entertaining or at the very least that we attacked the team. We were unlucky not to get at least one penalty and on Warnocks superbly placed goal. On to the next game I say.

It's probably because Warnock was decent at the start of the season while Hutton has bern consistently bad. Although he put in a good performance today.

Restlessness and quietness would've been a better and more logical alternative to booing.

Right okay, so what help is the booing?

It apparently helps the team start playing better football.

Even in the first half we had 58% possession 8 shots (6 on target) and a goal. Hardly shit like some are making out. All of a sudden QPR are shit, but before the game Hughes and his side were being tipped on this site to win and comfortably at that because of their new (superior) manager and players (who are now the excuse as to why QPR were shit). Yet it was Hughes who was sitting back on a fluky 2-0 lead for over an hour and got completely destroyed by his counterpart in the process.

Even in the first half we were completely on top, but lacked that cutting edge we had in the second...so I dunno how some are saying we were shit in the first half. And lol @ the booing made us score.

Really entertaining game. Ball on the floor the entire game, starting from Given.

Warnock for Gardner would be a great substitution. But then again so would Warnock for the wind.

Second half set up quite nicely. Despite the negativity we've had almost 60% possession with 8 shots to their 2. Btw I think Cuellar has looked excellent.

surely scorelines aren't indicative of a RB's performances? but yeah, he isn't very good at all.

It's true. thhe atmosphere at VP when things aren't going swimmingly is pretty poisonous. and it was the same last year. I was watching this goals of the season (last season) programme and one of the goals was Jarvis' winner at VP. I honestly thought someone muted my tv for a second that's how bad the atmosphere was.

stop teasing us!

Someone asked for a Puma kit, so I did one

i was just kidding, i wanted to see the Puma kit too.

stop teasing us!

I remember him being pretty decent going forward (still a shitty defender) for Spurs last year. But this year, good grief. I find myself yelling at the screen every time he gets possession to just give up the ball...give it to Collins if you have to. Don't even get me started on his defending.

2-1, late Bent winner

So we have got to one place.....with varying degrees obviously from people who don't want him but we are stuck with him so give him a chance to people who don't want him and want him out now? So nobody still actually wants him here......says everything!

That's the gist of it. But apparently there are some who revere 'GC' as some sort of messiah for simply expressing the former opinion.

nope those people are the ones who defend the manager under any circumstance even when its clear that he has made mistakes.

who make excuses for his poor managerial decisions and lack of tactical awareness.

everyone makes mistakes, when people dont admit those mistakes but try and lie or cover them up or make weak excsuses for them it makes them less credible in my eyes.

some crackers such as

hutton only gets stick becuase GC signed him

GC only gets stick because he is ex blues

he has a weak squad to work with so its not his fault

he didnt get a full preseason

he hasnt been able to sign the players he wants

he is not defensive minded, it was the teams he inheritted and he had to utilise those teams how he saw fit

and other such nonesense which gets repeated all the time

and it is always the same posters

for them there is no errors, no mistakes, he can do no wrong in their eyes

a saviour of the club who cant be critisized

even when MON was riding high, if he did something stupid, i would post that it was stupid, and i was sold on MON being at our club for the next 10 years and building something great, but when he messed up i would not pretend it hadnt happened or try and blame someone else just because he was doing well in most of the things he did.

just llike fans of man utd dont always say everything SAF does is correct.

slightly different to what you claim which was

"apparently there are some who revere 'GC' as some sort of messiah for simply expressing the former opinion"

i also notice as per the norm on here that the vocal supporters still have not said what would make them change their mind of the manager

lots of dodging the question or answering other things other than the simple question

it must be very confusing for them

Firstly barely anybody actually 'supports' him.

Also, those who you claim "for them there is no errors, no mistakes, he can do no wrong in their eyes a saviour of the club who cant be critisized" are completely in your head. It is simply your (rather childish) perception of those who don't agree with you.

So we have got to one place.....with varying degrees obviously from people who don't want him but we are stuck with him so give him a chance to people who don't want him and want him out now? So nobody still actually wants him here......says everything!

That's the gist of it. But apparently there are some who revere 'GC' as some sort of messiah for simply expressing the former opinion.

regardless of if people wish to admit it or not, the main reason for their dislike is the Blues connection.

I doubt anyone cares about the Blues connection to be honest.

whoa

yawn no answer, just as i thought, some on here must be getting paid by the GC , blind loyalty works in the army, in the real word it just makes you look rather stupid

the fact that you think people are loyal to him let alone thinking that people hold him as some sort of messiah shows how deluded you are.

typically i was at work till 5pm so had to make do with the bbc internet updates, half time 2-0, i looked at the stats and they had something like 68% possession and 6 shots on target to 2 for us.

but we were 2 -0 up

i spoke to a work mate who asked why i was looking shocked, i told him the score, i then said goodbye and also said to hi that we will lose 4-2, he asked why, i tild him that the manager will have a half time team talk which will **** everything up.

he thought i was joking.

i get home, find a stream just as they take their 1st pen, i then watch as my rather predictable prediction started to come true.

it isnt as if this is the first time i have said it, he play how he wants and for small amounts of the game the players forget what they are told and look half good, then GC gets his hands on the team again and it goes tits up.

didnt see first half but second half, playing 5 yards from the keepers area is not the best way to defend, i also didnt see any meaty challenges which normally slows someone like walcott down and makes him think twice, well i did see a meaty challenge, it was the replay of dunne chopping over the arsenal player for the pen.

no suprises and by the sounds of it, 2 break away goals, doesnt hide yet another poor result, especially after the 2 break away goals gave us a 2-0 margin away from home against a team and manager under loads of pressure.

qpr next is it?

can i make the excuses GC's fans will come up with?

the mark hughes factor? they are in london? blah blah blah tough game they are on the up blah blah blah new players blah blah

that should cover it, they always make shit excuses as to why it wont be a stroll in the park and to make a lame excuse before hand if we lose.

What happens if we win comfortably? What are your excuses going to be?

lets cross that bridge if we come to it shall we?

all the GC supporters refuse point blank to answer what would make them change their views of their god, their messiah, their ginger master

even when put in real simple terms such as would relegation change your mind?

but no they cant even answer that

pathetic

god? messiah? ginger master? no wonder nobody would respond to you.