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He's got a long way to go - but I have a weird feeling he will do it. I think we will have some more hurt on route though unfortunately.

Sell the **** lot and start again. God we are **** awful. Id love to blame mccleish but i cant. The playing personnel are just not good enough. We have the biggest bunch of donkeys ive seen down villa park in year's. Apart from the kids (who always put up a decent enought fight) sell the **** lot and start again. Bunch of overpaid useless tossers

That's the thing - I think this as well, but when you run through the list and see the people that played today, I look at each individual and think, keep him and then before I know it the whole lot should stay! The ones that definitely should go are the ones that arnt frigging playing all the time-

Beye

Heskey

Delfouneso

Ireland (maybe)

Marshall

In addition - from the current core team I would only put Collins, Hutton and Delph (again, maybe?)

**** me.

Two goals in five games. With these goals you are spoiling us, Alex.

3 goals...

more like it tbh, even if we lose this at least we are having a go, more of the same second half plz

Yeah that'd be great.....another 45 minutes without a goal.

I actually lol'd.

Haha!

Indeed. He is in the wrong job unfortunately as he was never going to be accepted. Not properly anyway.

Mantis - imagine in your place of work you failed to hit a target - a target which would mean that you and your team would receive a bonus in their next pay packet, and because of you not hitting your personal target, it means that they missed out on theirs. You walk into the office after they find out and they call you a **** dick (I'm not calling you that btw, that's just an example) and tell you to get out - how would you feel?

Mcleish will have 30,000+ people doing that to him, because we have lost a few football matches, he really doesn't deserve it. Yes, he is paid a lot of money, but that's the world he managed to get involved with. Well done him.

On the flip side, I would prefer we had a higher profile manager leading us. Mcleish's tactics are poor - but i'm happy to vent my frustrations on here. I will be disappointed if we lose a game I have attended, but I will never hold up a banner or hurl abuse at the manager or a player. The sad thing is, fan power will work, rather than the owners acting on their own accord.

Keane was even booed this evening for walking out the tunnel for the 2nd half. That was a new level of manager hatred that was not nice to see. Poor bloke.

Let's just wait and see what happens. We got top 10 to finish in - woohoo!

I think it showed that fan power can work. you should have seen a few of them run right up to the barrier by the dugouts at the end of the game to hurl abuse at him. If that happened at villa - I don't think it would go down very well with the hierarchy! But, we must be in a mega mega shit position for that to happen at VP. Mcleish doesn't deserve anything near the abuse Keane got tonight.

Let's not forgot though, all fans are fickle. If Keane strings 2 wins and a draw together in his next 3 games, they will be right back in it. same for us with Mcleish - if we go another 7 match unbeaten run again (which includes a win or two) then I will be damn happy!

A funny game is football...

Yup - was quite nasty. I'm pretty sure Blackburn fans themselves were singing 'your getting sacked in the morning'....

They just booed him coming out the tunnel as well...

Wow - Blackburn fans reaction to them going 2-0 down was pretty savage. Wouldn't wanna be Kean right now!!

Why would we swap someone who can finish with someone who can't (at this moment in time).

Bollox - Bent is going nowhere this January.

Hows he getting on?

To be fair to him I liked this quote from McLeish on N'Zogbia:

“It’s not about the finer things in life – cars, houses. It’s about prestige, being a top player."

Says to me that Mcleish is definitely a fan of COD.

Trent - what were the figures after 15 games?

What's the betting that Bolton will draw their first game this season on Saturday? If we win, I think coyle will be gone and Hughes will take over. I don't think we will be relegated, but, could be close. I think Wigan, Blackburn and either Bolton or Wolves.

Yes.

Nah only joking - 3 wins in 14 is a joke, plus we lost to Bolton in the cup... Absolute disgrace...

Not sure where we are in comparison to last season at this time - but I feel a lot more secure, that's for sure. There is no way we will be relegated, and no way that we will be involved in the scrap either. We arnt winning as much as we would like, but we arnt losing either. 3 defeats in 13 isn't all that bad. Just wish we could attack a little better.

I am accepting this as a transitional period, and want the team to develop and gel so that we can look slightly more convincing going forward.

I'm not at the Mcleish out stage - nowhere near in fact - I want to see where he can get us to finish (8th) - that will be progress on last season and I look forward to Randy supporting the manager and giving him some funds next summer once we have cleared out the shit.

How are we more secure? Our defence is no better and we're creating less chances. Not only that but McLeish has proven himself to be tactically inept. I don't think we'll get relegated either but then again the only reason why it was so close last season was because everyone was beating each other. This season there are a lot of shit teams down the bottom.

That last sentence is exactly the reason why we are more secure. There is no way we are as bad as Bolton, Wigan and Blackburn. Maybe even Sunderland as well. (for now).

He is struggling at the moment to find the right balance in the team, fair enough, but let's see what he does after 1 season and how he can change things up. I recon we will sign Zarate which will please me ... We won't be going down this season, but we will play shit football along the way. It's just the way it's going to be unfortunately.

Not sure where we are in comparison to last season at this time - but I feel a lot more secure, that's for sure. There is no way we will be relegated, and no way that we will be involved in the scrap either. We arnt winning as much as we would like, but we arnt losing either. 3 defeats in 13 isn't all that bad. Just wish we could attack a little better.

I am accepting this as a transitional period, and want the team to develop and gel so that we can look slightly more convincing going forward.

I'm not at the Mcleish out stage - nowhere near in fact - I want to see where he can get us to finish (8th) - that will be progress on last season and I look forward to Randy supporting the manager and giving him some funds next summer once we have cleared out the shit.

Ironically Collins has been the better of him and Dunne - Hutton has been ok on the ball, but a liability off it, Warnock has done well again.

Bent - Shite

N'Zogbia - Not Awful

Herd - Not bad

Delph - apparently can't control a ball

Heskey - absolutely awful

Gabby - best player again, but shouldn't be out wide!

So, overall, an average shite performance again- least we are consistent that's the main thing. Keep it up Mcleish, thanks.

There is no chance of Mcleish being sacked though. If people want him gone the only way that can happen will be for hardly any fans to turn up to home games and completely boycott the away games too. I don't know how I feel yet, I'm not at the 'Mcleish out stage'. That's probably because I know for a fact that that there are 4 teams far frigging worse than us.

But, for What happened Monday - we can't have another performance like that - that really was a load of shit. I actually wanted the time I spent watching it back! God knows what those who actually went to the game felt...

It doesn't have to be any magic people - just someone who wants their team to play football, but at the sometime, 'out to win' football. Not the crap of the present...

Lose tomorrow, then what happens?

i predict ridgewell and craig gardner to join in the jan transfer window. Any more transfer predictions?

I personally wouldn't have picked them two - I'm gonna go with Zarate and Hangeland. Worked for me on FIFA12.

Id like to think that we have enough intelligence within our manager and scouting network to be able to sign a defender who isn't a complete **** disaster - yes. Hutton wasn't THAT bad, Warnock was terrible, Collins even worse. Still - all shit.

That was terrible tonight- I had no frigging idea what we were doing tactically? What, what was the plan? Did Bent even play? Did we have a midfield? Bloody terrible and I feel sorry for our representatives who went to watch that. Poor them.

Bring on January - we need players, more specifically-defenders.

Aghhhhhh! Can someone tell me how I can get to play online? It's saying my NAT is set to strict? How can I get round this baring in mind im staying at the gfs and I don't want to upset the mum and dad?

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How long does Beye have on his contract??