villa-revolution

Kompany's definitely brickin' it. No question

Wouldn't surprise me if Pellegrini drops him to the bench if Grealish plays & decides to park 3 buses.

So. FFP Sanctions for Man City.

Fair play to 'em.

 

he didn't serve up the many lows like we've had under Lambert, like Christmas 2012 including the 8-0, like losing to Bradford over 2 legs, like giving us 10 home league defeats in a season etc etc etc.

Meaningless stats though I hear.

 

Like Beating Sunderland 6-1, Knocking money bags Man City out 4-2 on their own patch earlier in the competition. Beating Arsenal at the Emirates. Beating Man City at Villa park & Chelsea 1-0.

Meaningless stats though you hear.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

 

Lambert, the right man from the start & still the right man now regardless of any prospective take over.

 

How on earth can you possibly say that.  Even if you accept that he's done well keeping us in the league (which I don't), then that's entirely different to having a new owner with potentially more money to spend.   The man has performed appallingly, and deserves the sack for what he's done to this club over the past two disgraceful years.

 

But many other posters think differently & Randy also acknowledges  that Lambo has worked well under the parameters set. There is a bigger picture to be considered here too that some posters conveniently fail to see because they never queued up at the Odeon when they were kids but knew all about the film because they had seen the trailer on tv.

Lambert, the right man from the start & still the right man now regardless of any prospective take over.

 

 

To expect much progress in terms of results, performances and league position in these circumstances and in the context of other clubs relative spending is, in my humble opinion optimistic at best but perhaps even a little unrealistic.

Yet two years ago anyone who thought we'd be in a relegation battle was mocked and laughed at.

 

Some cracking posts over the last few pages but John's point is the stand out for me. Not because it agrees with my point of view but if that was the case that some were mocked on here for that opinion then expectation levels have been adjusted according to results in defence of the manager.

 

I'm asking myself why is Lambert being defended so robustly when other managers of our club weren't? By and large the results have been similar to Mcleish yet most were glad to see him go without as much as a whimper.

 

Is it that Lambert was the fans choice and its therefore hard to admit that we too got it as badly wrong as our chairman?

 

Or is it that there have been mitigating circumstances which have influenced the results under Lambert and he should be given more time?

 

I think those who are defending him maybe have lost sight of the most important factor of all in that football is a results business and for two seasons now results under Lambert have been poor with no sign of improvement.

 

Even if the chairman's remit was to reduce wages while keeping us in the Premiership I cannot believe that our chairman was satisfied with performances leaving us with one or two results away from being relegated but we will soon find that out.

 

Yes. Mitigating circumstances are the key point.

 

North Stand & Doug Ellis could both be revamped, extended, doug ellis similar to trinity, over the road, my estimate would be around 55-60k no need at all for a new stadium, which is why were prime for a takeover compared to others. 

Never heard of this stand called the Doug Ellis - As far as I know - there is the HOLTE END, THE WITTON END, THE WITTON LANE AND TRINITY ROAD. Always has been - always will be (to me at least)

 

And there has been THE END of Doug Ellis. Hurray!

 

 

Haha so you can't answer. I don't need randy to tell me its pretty obvious how he ran things under MON and its pretty obvious how he's run things since.

 

So Randy blocked you then.

 

 

You're assuming that Lerner knows how to turn a computer on without getting his sock puppet Faulkner to do it for him.

 

& he blocked you too.

One thing's for certain Lambo won't hesitate to give Jack a chance if he feels he is ready & I hope he is.

It would be magical to see Jack making his first Premiership bow.

If he could cap this off with a goal in front of the travelling fans I'd have to say:

Take a bow son. Take a bow.

Haha so you can't answer. I don't need randy to tell me its pretty obvious how he ran things under MON and its pretty obvious how he's run things since.

So Randy blocked you then.

 

(That is because these are both your suggested options.)

So what have been the approaches to running a football club Lerner has taken?

 

PM Randy & see if he responds to enlighten you. He's very reticent & humble normally, but he may make an exception just for you.

 

Arsenal 1 Villa 3.

Villa 3 Man City 2

Liverpool 2 Villa 2

Villa 1 Chelsea 0

 

So, according to your post you see nothing to suggest that Paul Lambert is up to the job. Presumably then, he should be sacked for those results alone?

 

To confirm.There is none so blind as those who can't see.

 

Try looking a little deeper.

 

OK, I looked a little deeper and found this...

 

Villa 1 Newcastle 2

Villa 0 Spurs 4 (Lge Cup)

Fulham 2 Villa 0

Villa 0 Man U 3

Stoke 2 Villa 1

Villa 0 Palace 1

Villa 1 Sheff Utd 2

Villa 0 West Ham 2

Villa 1 Stoke 4

Man U 4 Villa 1

Villa 1 Fulham 2

Palace 1 Villa 0

Swansea 4 Villa 1

 

Impressive stuff.

 

And an indication that anyone can cherry pick a few results to supposedly support their argument.

 

So you still maintain your original argument in your original post that you saw nothing to suggest that Paul Lambert is up to the job?

The results I chose were not to back up my argument but to completely dismantle your post & that still stands.

Well done for looking but you still need to see the wood for the trees.

No I think our lowest has been 17th which we were before the Hull game. I think that is correct. We also have been in top 4

Lowest was 16th which was before the Hull game.

Were we ever in the bottom three this season? Honest question.

Never.

 

 

The lerner approach is the best one? There have been 2 approaches from lerner.

1) spending amounts that can't be sustained with little thought for the future.

2) drastic cost cutting, gambling with survival till the club is sold.

I'm curious as to which one of those is the best option.

Or rather - Which was the most necessary?

Well 2) was needed thanks to 1) and a complete lack of interest in the club.

I don't think either are the right for the future.

 

 

 

(That is because these are both your suggested options.)

 

 

 

 

You missed the third option of getting the books balanced so the club can move forward sustainably under the current ownership which is the one they are referring to.

Which is a complete pipe dream the last few fans who continually defend Lerner hang their hopes on. Its not true.

 

& option 3 is suggested by a poster who seems more judicious in his approach & without an axe to grind.

The lerner approach is the best one? There have been 2 approaches from lerner.

1) spending amounts that can't be sustained with little thought for the future.

2) drastic cost cutting, gambling with survival till the club is sold.

I'm curious as to which one of those is the best option.

Or rather - Which was the most necessary?

FWIW Nobody & I mean absolutely nobody ever passed O Level Geography at Aston Manor Comprehensive School when I was there in the early to mid 70's.

No wonder we all lost our way.

 

 

 

 

I've seen nothing to suggest Lambert that is up to the job.

 

That's because you have closed your eyes to reality.

 

 

 

 

Arsenal 1 Villa 3.

Villa 3 Man City 2

Liverpool 2 Villa 2

Villa 1 Chelsea 0

 

So, according to your post you see nothing to suggest that Paul Lambert is up to the job. Presumably then, he should be sacked for those results alone?

 

To confirm.There is none so blind as those who can't see.

 

Try looking a little deeper.

 

 

It's not about who you beat it's about how many! Unless the rules have changed then I think beating Chelsea still get's 3 points the same as beating Fulham! I would rather see us beat Fulham twice than Chelsea once!

 

Do we have more points than last season so far? No!

 

We need to win both games to improve on last season by the smallest of margins. That is either falling backwards or standing still which is not improvement.

 

NB - My reply was to the CarewsEyebrowDesigner post & not yours.

 

 

I've seen nothing to suggest Lambert that is up to the job.

 

That's because you have closed your eyes to reality.

 

 

 

Arsenal 1 Villa 3.

Villa 3 Man City 2

Liverpool 2 Villa 2

Villa 1 Chelsea 0

So, according to your post you see nothing to suggest that Paul Lambert is up to the job. Presumably then, he should be sacked for those results alone?

To confirm.There is none so blind as those who can't see.

Try looking a little deeper.

I've seen nothing to suggest Lambert that is up to the job.

That's because you have closed your eyes to reality.

 

 

 

Sure it has to be the right manager and we have to see signs of improvement. For me it is the right manager, we may not seen as many signs of improvement this year, and coming on the back of the second half of the season last season that is a huge disappointment.

You've made our point for us in that paragraph. There is no improvement, there is no real progress and on that basis he doesn't deserve more time or more money.

Well if i would have said what you have suggested I did I can see why you would think that. The fact that I have not said what you have suggested sort of negates the rest of your post for me.

So where's the progress and improvement? Results? Points? League table? Performances?

2 years and really not much different to what he inherited.

 

The turn around is not obviously discernible. We are being slowly turned around both on & off the pitch & both Lerner & Lambert have been instrumental in arresting this decline. The financial position is far more stable & if rumours are to be believed a take over is imminent.

So to answer your question the progress & improvement is a subtle one, not immediately tangible, but it is comprehensible as long as you grasp it  & is there for all to see.

The whole Club has come through a really difficult but necessary remedial period.

I like to think we are now, all of us, (This Board, the next board, The Manager, The players & the fans) in a much stronger position now to finally propel this fantastic Club onwards & upwards.

I like to feel & have reason to believe that the worst is over.

 

Probably his agent trying to get the best deal for him

he will stay here i remember before Weimann renewed last season clubs were apparently interested then

Think its Kendrick reporting it though, would be a shame if we lose him on a free and to be fair Lambert has treated him well this season. He went out on loan, played well and was rewarded with regaining his place in the first team.

Might be a Villa fan but I wouldn't blame him if he moved to Everton to play in Europe.

 

Lambo said recently that Marc's new deal was definitely going to happen.

I would definitely sign him up no question. I have always rated him highly & he can only improve further.

He still needs to work harder on the defensive side of his game, especially helping out his full back but he is a very exciting talent going forward & he  along with a fit Benteke are usually the Villa players that get the crowd buzzin'.

The fact that he is a Villa fan is also a big plus too.

How long can we keep it at 0-0?

I'll go 7 mins

Edited Thanks to 8 pints ( see below)