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Does anyone still think we'd be in a worse position under a Labour Corbyn Government?

48 minutes ago, bobzy said:

profits are absolutely fine. Nothing wrong with them.

Jesus Christ disagrees 

4 hours ago, markavfc40 said:

What kind of heartless, selfish bastard

Tories bro

Sunak absolutely debasing himself now in his desperate death spiral, even laughing off bigoted comments about his own skin colour ("You can be racist, I don't mind!")

Either he is a full blooded fascist deep down or he is willing to pander to the authoritarian right to win, both are unacceptable.

And Truss, well. She is a jelly woman completely lacking in political seriousness, and this is certainly going to be interesting. I just don't know if the country can take it

1 hour ago, Demitri_C said:

Rayner would be a disaster

Why?

(If your answer is "because people won't vote for a working class northern woman", we should think about why that is) 

37 minutes ago, Ingram85 said:

Does anyone else think Labour might be better off with Raynor at the helm?

Yeh I'm a fan. Amazing (inspiring) journey. She has clearly worked on her image since the "Tory Scum" criticism, the Tories seem terrified of her, she's quick, witty, honest, and has empathy for normal working people. But then again, she's got an accent, so

16 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

Inspirational.

Almost intentionally bad. If you bothered to read on there was also precious little detail under these vapid 5 principles.

I still firmly believe there is a strong core support for traditional left wing policy in this country. I know he's the butt of every joke these days but 12.9m voted for Corbyn in 2017 and 10.3m in the disastrous 2019 election (Boris 14.0m).

Whatever you think of Corbyn the man and his policies, it's undeniable that he got large numbers of (particularly young) people inspired and galvanised by quite radical left wing ideas. That could easily happen again - Labour is/was dying out for a younger more electable leader who can push a modern left wing agenda without the Corbyn  "baggage", and I think they'd do very well

20 minutes ago, a m ole said:

my PM

Touch of class from Sunak

59 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

 

I think we know why (he was bang to rights and it would have been politically devastating).

What an absolute disgrace 

Yeh. There are definite tensions within a left-libertarian ideology (and a right-authoritarian ideology) though IMO. Cake and eat it vibe. 

@bickster I had never really thought of things like the Equalities Act as authoritarian - interesting

9 hours ago, bickster said:

The left are the more traditionally authoritarian ideology.

I don't think that's necessarily correct, vs. the right. In the last century at least?

The left have been closely aligned with civil rights, gender equality, LGBT+ rights, worker rights movements, BLM, etc. All movements which promote/ protect individual rights (the antithesis of authoritarianism).

The right has consistently pushed back against all the above, although I suppose they balance it out by allowing people the freedom to choose between 100 razorblade brands

Ugh. Thatcher and Reagen neo-liberalism is the root of 99% of our problems.

Anyone continuing to promote such a patently damaging ideology, if they're not on 7+ figures already, are utter morons. 

"To start things off" 

Liz has got this y'all - reckon you can close the thread mods

Sure there's little things we can do.

For starters:

- Don't actively promote a "we're doomed and powerless so f**k it" attitude to those around you

- Don't read, listen to, or vote for people who are apologists / lobbyists for delaying action on climate

- Don't immediately condemn those who risk their liberty protesting climate action (XR, Insulate Britain, etc)

29 minutes ago, foreveryoung said:

Not really, my view is a different to others, I dont live my life worrying, an I'm getting lambasted for it. No where have I said I don't believe in global warming, covid etc, but seem to be getting put in a certain group. Typical VT to be fair. 

Agree with the point that we need to limit the amount of negative information we consume to not go mental. But this ^, when combined with all your other posts on this topic, just reads like "I accept the facts of the situation but I don't GAF" - which opens you up to fair criticism in my book

12 hours ago, foreveryoung said:

I'm of a different mindset than some, it's not so shocking. It's harrowing seeing people's homes on fire, but people die in car accidents everyday, what we gonna do about that, stop driving. Shit happens all over the world, should we worry about that, do you worry about them Africians dying of pneumonia. Do footballers worry everytime they wake up in the morning. 

I've learnt alot on this forum lately, one being people take things far too seriously, you need to enjoy life, an stop worrying about things that haven't happened, or how you can do your bit for diversity. Our future kids will manage, they are smarter than us and they may even have a better life.

Is it still one vote each yeh?

12 hours ago, mjmooney said:

And whether he can ride out the smear campaign the Mail/Express will inevitably come up with. 

I know there will be more to come out the woodwork but wouldn't they have used whatever good stuff they had during Partygate / Beergate to save their man Boris? 

On the press. Am reading Peter Jukes' book about the News of the World phone hacking trial at the moment. I know a free press is a cornerstone of democracy but IMO we badly need new laws around ownership of media (no non-doms?) and maybe rules on disclosure of interests for comment pieces. See the DM climate denial piece the other day by the oil lobbyist. There are far too many client journalists skewing our national discourse in favour of predator big business with absolutely no transparency. Tricky balance though

13 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said:

So why do so many voters support them? I'd really like to understand that. They must be doing something right, as a party, to hold such sway.

Rupert Murdoch, Lord Rothmere. Billionaire press barons who poison our democracy 

42 minutes ago, magnkarl said:

Hence filming a video recently at a holocaust memorial in Berlin to  show how serious the new leadership is, is just as tone deaf 

Why is that tone deaf?

3 hours ago, bickster said:

He's also still a Tory who wants to do Tory things

He seems very much like a Rory Stewart to me, i.e. a maybe half-decent if misguided person whose spiritual home is the Lib Dems

Fascist Kemi surging into pole position by the looks of things. Jolly good.

5 hours ago, Genie said:

They used to say the USA would never have a black president too.

OT but they've had a mixed race president, his mum was white from Kansas

28 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said:

I think you're conflating "policy callousness" and "being out of touch with the people" to a problem with raw brain power

Not what I'm saying at all.

Anyone who says the words "We import two thirds of our cheese. THAT. IS. A. DISGRACE." to a room full of journalists, is not very smart.

For those who've been paying attention she's been a laughing stock for years, due to several high profile gaffes. I don't think she's callous, I think she's nakedly ambitious and devoid of any real political ideology (other than promoting her own brand).