UpTheVilla26

So now we are blaming refs?

The term 'scratching around' comes to mind.

The fact is we didn't start trying to attack until the 75th minute. By that time, we were lucky not to be 3 or 4 down. If we had come out and had a go at Chelsea, who I still think have a shaky defence' in the first 20 minutes, then maybe we may have got a goal or 2 and the game would be so different.

The QPR game at home was another example. Start attacking when we are already 2-0 down. He is trying to do the impossible and set us up not to concede as his first priority. Because of how poor the defence is, this is not going to happen, yet week-in week-out he keeps doing it.

He is clueless and only has himself to blame. The fact that 2 of our most gifted attacking players have had spats with him this season, says it all.

Oh god... we're so screwed. Only Villa could have started with a billionaire and MON and end up near relegation with the most pathetic excuse of a manager since Graham Taylor. Paul McGrath weeps.

I'm sorry but can't have you slating Graham Taylor.

His first spell at the club was a great era for Villa and he did wonders. His second spell was a combination of a nostalgic appointment by Ellis and Taylor not coming to terms with how much the game has moved forward.

Mcleish is the worst manager this club has ever had. He can't be compared to any other boss because I can at least think of one positive they brought to the club - even O'Leary who made a couple of excellent signings.

Mcleish has brought nothing positive at all. The team has no dimension or idea, the young players development has been stifled in having to adapt to this 'try not to concede and scab a point or late win' mentality and the supporters must be the most unhappy in the whole of the Premiership.

What Lerner needs to get into his thick head is we will NEVER, EVER, be behind this turd. I gave him a chance and I've seen nothing to even think that things might get better if he has time. The more time he has, the more damage he will continue to do.

Oh, if only Lerner had Ellis' balls.

I seriously can't contemplate having to edit Villa into Pro Evo 13...

Maybe he's on Meth but I think a more logical explanation is he's in over his head with no hiding place and that at a club with more Media exposure and expectation his negative, clueless dross is being highlighted even more.

Saying that, a lot of the Media are still supporting him. If he's that special, they would all love him to manage their clubs then...

... thought not.

AM on bbc

Its a shame we are not talking about a win because i thought we had chelsea on the ropes.

When the manager and a club becomes a laughing stock to it's own fans, let alone the rest of the League, it really is time to sit up and take note.

If he truly believes what he's said tonight, he should not only be sacked but sectioned.

As much as I'd like to, it's hard to blame McLeish for today's game.

Really?

you can see the lack of confidence and complete lack of ability to attack ingrained on the players, albrighton aside did you see anyone beat cole or ivanovic?

the formation and selection still isnt right, 31 games in to the season and he still cant pick a decent starting 11, bannan on the right, didnt work at all, but then against the league/worlds best LB it was never going to work either

defending corners, they werent even decent corners FFS

subs, albrighton was spot on, but why wait for so long to change things when it wasnt working? and heskey...

the man is a clown

I didn't actually make that statement. I replied to it by quoting it.

I believe it was VillaRoy who originally posted it.

Anyway, I'm off to cheer myself up. Can of Stella Cidre opened, Blackpool v So'ton on TV, Pro Evo on other TV and missus' awesome lamb curry for tea.

How much to pay him off?

How much will we lose if we go down?

I'd estimate between 5-10m to sack him.

No way he's only on £1 million per season on a 3 year contract you could get rid for £2 million. Relegation would cost the club approximately £45 million. It's too late to sack him now anyway - who you going to put in charge? Do a Wolves and put a caretaker in charge?

I've championed the best available person who is available right now who could put a bit of fight back into this team and steady a sinking ship...

Curbishley

As much as I'd like to, it's hard to blame McLeish for today's game.

Our organisation at corners?

To be fair we lost Cuellar at the last minute so Baker was thrown in, who probably isn't as well drilled. As is Lichaj. Players need to take some responsibility from corners.

So, if we had Cuellar, Collins, Dunne & Warnock for them 2 set-pieces, them goals wouldn't have been scored?

You could build a brick wall around our goal but McPrick would find a way for the opposition to easily penetrate it.

For the fact he has miserably failed to even improve the defence 1%, not alone make it worse by 150% is enough to sack the clown.

As much as I'd like to, it's hard to blame McLeish for today's game.

It is, and it's also his fault we are in a relegation battle because all season we have been complete shit.

I have no sympathy towards the prick. He's bitten off more than he can chew and it's time to spit it out and **** off.

How much compensation would McPrick have to have?

If every Villa fan out £50 in, surely it would be enough?

**** me, maybe I can write a letter to the American who just pocketed $640 mill in their Lottery and explain how this ginger idiot is ruining all my weekends and that I am an orphan and my cat has just died, get the sympathy going.

I have to try and laugh at our situation now, because if not I will cry and not stop. Ellis would have sacked this tit over a month ago, have no doubt about that. He may have been a tight old git but he wasn't anybody's fool. Unfortunately, McPrick is the biggest 'Yes' man going and would probably give the Yanks a reach around if it secured his job for another few months.

If, when I wake up tomorrow, this ginger prick is still in charge, then I firmly believe we can kiss goodbye to the Premiership.

Mcleish is a walking disaster. He's taking a team out of this League twice. On that basis alone, he should be nowhere near a Premiership job, let alone a so called 'big club' job.

To put it into perspective, in normal life, if you were a Retail Manager and you had managed to put your last 2 shops in the shit, do you think if you rocked up at Tesco they would say 'yeah, come on in, you're record is excellent, just the right guy to take this shop forward'. No, they wouldn't because they have people who actually know what they are doing running their company.

We have clueless Cowboys from America. The fact that one of these Hillbillys is a 'general (general **** idiot)' is enough. What does Paul Faulkener (or whatever his stupid name is) know about Football? Probably as much as I know about the sodding Da Vinci code. How, between the three of them or two (or however many it took to make such a glorious decision) they thought McPrick would be anything other than a complete disaster leads me to believe they are sharing one brain cell.

McPrick - in a nutshell - negative, clueless, inept, loser.

5 Points now seperate us from 19th place.

To be in this position, is a joke. However, it was one all the fans saw coming way back last summer.

Disgraceful.

The fans have been crying out for Lichaj to play.

Bannan, why is he taking free-kicks?

Why does it take us to go 2-0 down before trying.

**** off Mcleish you're a joke.

Awful defending.

Just said on BBC that the ref has been 'generous' towards Chelsea.

**** joke.

**** off Terry you stupid tart.

Who set off that **** smoke bomb? Iidots.

**** Lichaj you beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why not just chuck Carruthers & Grealish on now, can't do no frigging worse.

One positive from today - Lichaj has been 100 times better than Hutton at right back and should now start week-in-week-out.

Other than that - pathetic. Bannan is crap, Collins is a liability, Warnock is a mistake waiting to happen each week and due to McUseless not playing wingers, Gabby is playing too wide and we then have nothing through the middle.

You can't get away from the Petrov situation, in the fact it will affect players, but this isn't a one off.

All season we have been awful. We can't defend corners, we might as well not even take a corner when we get one because we just present the opposition with a counter attack and our movement/pace is non-existent.

How the owners of this club can sit there and allow this to continue is beyond me. He should be sacked tonight because if not, guys & girls, we will be playing in The Championship next season.

Ellis,

I have seen better times under Ellis. I saw a promotion, 2 league runners up spots, UEFA cup 1/4 final, 2 league cup wins, FA cup final, FA cup semi final. Better signings on the whole, better football on the whole, better managers as Lerner has so far appointed Houllier and McLeish.

Sadly, that was a zillion years ago in football terms. Back then football was a more even playing field. You could argue that by being stingy, we missed the chance to be where the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal etc are now due to bad management by Doug if anything

He never wanted to go that extra yard

Same could be said for Lerner though because his resources don't match Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool & Spurs.

So, in theory, unless we get taken over by some cash-laden middle-easterners then we will be rocking along in the same boat as we have been for last 20 years. 'Underachieving'.

I was confident under Doug he'd at least 'try' to rectify a poor situation.

Lerner has actively created a dire situation but won't loose face and try to sort it.

Sorry, double post.

To be honest, it's never been to the point before where I've wished our manager would come a 'cropper' somehow.

In America, is it legal to shoot someone if they are attacking you? Saying that, telling a court that you were attacked by Mcleish would see the jury in fits of laughter.

I see Wolves are wanting to speak to Curbs. Steve Morgan has been reading my posts, asshole.

Ellis was shrewd. I am reading a book at the moment about corruption in Football and Ellis is feature within.

He so easily could have done a 'Leeds'. I think that's what O'Leary expected, hence it never worked.

However, Ellis was not afraid to fall on his own sword. He took a massive risk on Gregory, which for a while was a fantastic appointment (until the Collymore & Yorke incidents) but was not afraid to 'act' for the good of the club.

Yes, he was a bit tight-fisted and appointing Taylor the second time around was a fiasco (though I still have nothing but admiration & respect for Taylor after what he did here before) but Ellis kept the club going at a time where other clubs chased the 'elusive' dream of titles & Champions League and ultimately paid a huge price.

Oh and I do believe the door of the trophy cabinet has not been opened since Ellis left VP. (Don't give me 'we won the Peace Cup').

Ellis for 2 reasons.

1. He'd have never hired this joker

and

2. If for some reason he had, he'd have sacked him by now

I can imagine the meeting now...

AMC 'So, what is that big bit of field there?'

Browns Coach 'That's where our players try to get into and score touchdowns'

AMC 'You let your players out their own half??!!'

This club is at an all-time low if our chairman thinks anything can be 'learnt' from his shit franchise.