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4 hours ago, East London Villa said:

Just to be clear, Hause can't play for our first team this season. Not registered for the league or Europe. No longer an option.

He has 1 year left on his contract, I don't see him getting anywhere near the same salary at his next club. So it will either be an early pay off like Traore, or a loan deal to try to rebuild his reputation ahead of a free transfer in 2025.

He’s only on 10k a week so surprised we haven’t just paid him out before.

6 hours ago, ender4 said:

If all those left, plus Lenglet and Zaniola loans ending, that's around £30 million in wages saved without weakening our first team much (except would need a replacement for Lenglet).

 

Let Cash and Digne go and not weaken the first team?

1 hour ago, TRO said:

I think its about time we gave them a proper game....one that we are capable of.

It really is about time, really don't know what this voodoo spell they have over us is!!

1 hour ago, Zatman said:

Rumour is Liverpool want to sell him to fund a new Salah deal

If they can get a big fee for Salah off the saudis that would be brilliant business considering his age!

10 hours ago, AshVilla said:

Dendoncker.

Chambers.

Hause.

Cash.

Archer.

Sanson.

Coutinho.

Digne.

?Carlos

?Duran

 

I don’t think we will sell cash and Archer isn’t ours to sell!

19 hours ago, omariqy said:

I put some predictions together prior to the Brentford away game that had us finishing on 74 points. Based on the results since we are now tracking for 71 points - mainly down to the draw against Sheff United and loss against Newcastle. I've got us down for the following:

Home

Spurs - D
Wolves - D
Brentford - W
Bournemouth - W
Chelsea - W
Liverpool - L

Away

Luton - W
West Ham - D
Man City - L
Arsenal - L
Brighton - 1
Crystal Palace - W
 

I think that's pretty realistic rather than optimistic. Going to be tight for 4th but should be more than enough to get 5th.

We have to beat Wolves at home!!

13 hours ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Many people seem to be extremely confident of winning.

Always worries me.

Same it’s one of those on paper wins that we so often slip up on.

we really need to keep that 5 point gap going into the Spurs game as that will be a hard game to get 3 points from.

On 26/02/2024 at 08:17, thabucks said:

So we’ve got arrangements with clubs in Spain, Portugal, potentially Algeria, Japan, Egypt, Senagals largest academy, potentially Sweden as well as the Ivory Coast … exciting pipeline of talent could over the next decade! 

Does anyone know?

How does our involvement with V Sports compare to what other PL teams are doing? Just interested are we the same as, behind the curve, ahead of the curve etc.

On 26/02/2024 at 04:41, Philosopher said:

They're still not upto speed yet. Moreno is still half a yard short of pace compared to before his injury. Both are still adjusting to adaptation of our style.

The right ide seems to be firing now. If we can get the left side back to what it was last season, then we are going to be giving out a lot of hidings. 

Moreno won't get that pace back he's the wrong side of 30.

4 hours ago, Zhan_Zhuang said:

Just realised they've fallen to tenth place and Wolves are better...

Likely Chelsea will finish above them too, maybe if they hover around eleventh or twelfth then the knives will be out for Howe's head? Chop, Chop, Chop.

Not surprised Howe is average at best.

On 25/02/2024 at 08:51, Kiwivillan said:

I've wanted Everton relegated ever since we went down so they can lose never been relegated from PL status

Same for no other reason than that and a reality check! Couple of seasons in the championship would do them good.

5 hours ago, paul514 said:

Ok this will be a long post but I will try and break it up a bit so it is more readable....

These are the players I would sell/release in the summer all figures are in euros and from Transfermarkt.

The amortized value is what he costs us per year on the accounts and the book value is the total amount of amortization left until he he has a value of zero for FFP. This means for an FFP profit on a player he must be sold for more than his book value.

I also think it is worth mentioning how these values are worked out.... lets say we sign a player on a 5 year contract for 50m. After 3 years we sign him to a new 5 year contract this means for the first 3 years he is with us he amortizes at 10m per year making his book value 20m when he signs a 5 year extension to his contract.
He will then amortize at 4m per year for the next five years. I hope that is simple to understand.

Lenglet - End of loan

Zaniolo - End of loan

Chambers - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 0m, 

House - 29 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal brought for 3.4m, I don't have exact FFP figures for him as I didn't know the length of his first contract with us but it will be a negligible amount of amortisation left

Carlos - 31 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal brought for 31m
He is amortizing at 7.75m per year and his book value in the summer will be 15.5m

Digne - 31in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 30m.
He is amortizing at 6.66m per year and has a book value of 13.33m

Cash - 27 in the summer, 3 years left on his deal, brought for 15.75m
He is amortizing at 1.58m per year and has a book value of 4.74m

Dendonker - 29 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 15m
He is amortizing at 3.75m per year and has a book value of 7.5m

Sanson - 30 in the summer, 1 year left on his deal, brought for 15.8 million euros
He is amortizing at 3.95m per year as he only has one year left on his deal his book value is also 3.95m

Coutinho - 32 in the summer, 2 years left on his deal, brought for 20 million euros
He is amortizing at 5m per year and has a book value of 10m

Watkins - 28 (29 in december), 4 years left on his deal, brought for 34 million euros
He is amortizing at 2.72m per year and has a book value of 10.88m

 

The total amortization per year of all the players mentioned is 31.41m Euros which is 26.9m Pounds
The total book value of all the players mentioned is 65.9m Euros which is 56.4m Pounds

My aim would be to cut the fat off the squad and then trying to bring in a smaller amount higher quality players as a whole without breaking FFP restrictions and (Hopefully) reducing the wage bill as PSR (profit and sustainability rules) is changing meaning we have to bring our wage bill down to 70% of our revenue within a couple of years.

The price tags for my suggestions are from media reported figures or their release figure.
The links are for their transfermarkt profile and their scouting report from FBREF for their data.

Jean-Clair Todibo, 24 - Centre back,  Nice, 35m

I want this player as he is a lot like Pau Torres and we have all seen how much we missed him whilst he was injured taking the ball out of defence and his skill with progressive passes. He will be genuine competition for Konsa and will probably win out in that race.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jean-clair-todibo/profil/spieler/605184
https://fbref.com/en/players/88f130ed/scout/365_m1/Jean-Clair-Todibo-Scouting-Report

 

Adrien Truffert, 22 - Left back, Rennes, 20m

I think this guy is already as good as what we already have but he has a high ceiling and time on his side to reach that potential. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/adrien-truffert/profil/spieler/654539
https://fbref.com/en/players/5d0e0a1f/scout/365_m1/Adrien-Truffert-Scouting-Report

 

Jeremie Frimpong, 23 - Right back (YES HE IS ONE), Leverkusen, 38m (Release Clause)

Straight in for first choice, the guy is excellent at going forward and at least as good as Cash defensively, he can play right back, right wing back or even in midfield. I expect this would be a hard signing for us to make.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jeremie-frimpong/profil/spieler/484547
https://fbref.com/en/players/74f2e748/scout/365_m1/Jeremie-Frimpong-Scouting-Report

 

Martin Zubimendi, 25, - DCM, Sociedad, 52m (Release Clause)

I could be persuaded to sign a different DCM as this one will be hard to sign and expensive. 

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/martin-zubimendi/profil/spieler/423440
https://fbref.com/en/players/3ee0dd59/Martin-Zubimendi

 

Jonathan David, 24 - Striker, Lille, 40m

As you all know the striker market is difficult, but this is where most of the FFP profit comes from in my suggestions. I picked him as he should be relatively straight forward for us to pick up, he plays somewhat similarly to Watkins but he is not a carbon copy. His record last year was excellent and his data for this year is very good. If he had more shooting opportunities then his numbers would be much higher.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jonathan-david/profil/spieler/533738
https://fbref.com/en/players/ce50fd99/scout/365_m1/Jonathan-David-Scouting-Report

So according to the figures I have used for purchasing these players that is 185m Pounds.

I can't know if we could get them to sign a 5 year or 4 year contract so I am going to list both and it would probably be somewhere in between.

So the 185m amortized over 5 years would be 37m per year or over 4 years it would be 46.25m

As the suggested sales/released are amortizing at 26.9m Pounds my suggestions increase amortization by 19.35m per year over what it is currently (assuming the worst case scenario of 4 year contracts for everyone) but I think if we sold all those players whose book value currently is 56.4m we would receive something like 150m with Watkins and Cash bringing in the bulk of that money. This would mean a 93.6m FFP profit on their book value allowing us to make these purchases as long as the owners inject the remaining cash (35m) into the club.

I think those players would effectively lock off all the defensive positions, all the central midfield positions, as far as I am concerned the forward positions, leaving small question marks over our wide midfield positions (the Ramsey/McGinn roles but Tielemans can play there as can Buendia) and our striker position (will David work out? Is Duran a good back up?). That could be reassessed in the following summer. It also brings down the age of the squad significantly whilst having better prospects of resale value in the future over the current players.
How much higher could Watkins value be in the future given he would be 29 the summer after soon to turn 30 for example. This is how we get to spend lots on players

Even if you don't agree with some or all of my suggestions, I hope you can see the value of a post like this that explains a bit what clubs are having to deal with when it comes to spending with FFP and PSR rules.
 

Thanks for posting.

Moving 11 players on is a huge task!

On 19/02/2024 at 08:57, paul514 said:

Maybe.

Here is a fun exercise for fellow posters to give grief over.

Assuming you have zero FFP spending room but the owners want to spend money….

Who would you sell to free up FFP room and who would you buy with that room?

I’ll do mine tomorrow, if some others do there’s, I already know a load of you are going to HATE mine.

Have you posted yours Paul?

6 minutes ago, duke313 said:

Red Star play in a weak two horse league with only them and Partizan the only half decent teams, they can quite easily play a few youngsters against most teams without much of an impact performance wise. But Nedeljkovic has also played for them in the Champions League and will supposedly feature quite a bit for Serbia in the Euros this summer, so despite his age seems more than capable with first team football.   

But that is what happens when shit leagues get Champions League places and shit teams get to play in the Euros!?

Not saying he won't become a great player but lets put things into perspective a little.

1 minute ago, duke313 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if both Digne and Cash are moved on if they have suitors.  Digne was close to leaving last summer but stayed because the deal for Acuna fell through, he'll have done his value no harm with his performances which have been great, but due to his salary he'll be sold.  Cash has been hit or miss this season; I think we can do better than him and will be sold if anyone is interested in him.

Which begs the question why get rid? Other that the wages argument which aren't as high as some like to speculate on here him and Moreno as LB choices is pretty damn good. (other than both being over 30 but does that really matter?)

Cash I can see the reasoning he's not pulled up trees this season.

15 minutes ago, Mazrim said:

The more I discover about Nedeljkovic, the more the more I think he'll be starting sooner rather than later, He seems to have it all except experience.

Not sure what you are discovering please pass on any info, I'm not having a pop but how many teams have an 18 year old playing in defense?

3 hours ago, fightoffyour said:

That's why I'm advocating keeping Torres there. The Mings L(C)B formation is the opposite of the Konsa R(C)B one, as in now we sometimes play:

Moreno - Torres - Carlos - Konsa

if we want to reverse that with the attacking impetus down the right instead of the left for tactical reason occasionally, then we could go (assuming Mings does get back to his old level):

Mings - Torres - Konsa - Kosta

But either way I assume the plan for this season and what we will hopefully see next season is this as our first choice back 4:

Moreno - Mings - Torres - Konsa

Which side Mings and Torres would actually play in that scenario, I'm not sure.

As good as Konsa is at RB when called upon he is a CB and a very good one at that, Torres LCB Konsa RCB is what makes sense as a starting CB pairing next season, Carlos will either be a squad player or moved on, Lenglet will not be here so will need replacing depending on how TM recovers. What happens at RB will be interesting same with LB if Digne goes. 

3 hours ago, Kiwivillan said:

Many years ago. Not last few years

First and second season back in the PL he would have improved us a lot, but yes that ship has definitely sailed!

16 hours ago, duke313 said:

Remember we were linked with this guy, huge bullet dodged.

I really wanted us to sign him at the time, not so much bullet dodged different time and place and the injury may never have happened.

On 20/02/2024 at 17:41, PeterSw said:

I think we will see a lot more of Konsa at RB next season if/when Mings is back.

Konsa/Mings/Torres/Moreno would possibly be the first choice defence.

Nedeljković, Carlos, Hermoso (who I agree I think we will sign.. pretty much a left sided version of Konsa) and Sousa would be the 'back ups'

I think Konsa will be ahead of Mings as a first choice CB next season next to Torres, if we are selling Cash we need to buy a quality RB as first choice and have the Serb kid as an understudy. 

6 hours ago, foreveryoung said:

Liverpool will not Cash in on Salah, It'll be Salahs decision. 

I doubt that!

11 hours ago, foreveryoung said:

The cash's maybe, not the Luiz's

You last sentence is rubbish. You build on what you've got!

Liverpool will likely cash in on Salah this summer, I’m not saying sell Luiz just it’s highly likely we will need to. Selling Cash isn’t going to generate the funds needed to invest.

My last sentence makes perfect sense you don’t progress by keeping the same players unless we sell players/add players we stagnate or go backwards.

51 minutes ago, Zatman said:

I think Cash is the player we will try sell in the summer. In the crazy Premier League market we could get 20-25 million for him. Maybe 5-10 million or so for Archer. Then Coutinho, Digne and Dendoncker wages gone with Sanson plus our loan signings returning

I don't think there is much of a profit to made on Cash tbh! Yes hopefully the others you list will be moved on but there will be at least one player the fanbase don't want to move on go, hopefully not DL but one of the older players.

12 hours ago, foreveryoung said:

We won't be selling players, unless we get huge money offers.

We are on our way now, last thing Emery will wanna do is supper next season lby losing our big name players.

 

I don't think there is anything more nailed on than that we will be selling players come the summer, if we don't we won't be shopping in the right price bracket to improve the team sign of the times with FFP unfortunately. Teams don't progress by keeping the same group of players.