MrBlack

Would take over 40m to be even remotely worth considering. We have a core of 5 players in our registered squad that barely featured and need getting out of the door before anyone else.

The second we start losing first teamers by choice is the second we start going downhill and throwing away the collective experience and good morale a season surviving relegation brings.

Mings isn't just a first teamer. He's a pseudo captain, that has shown his love for the club on numerous occasions.  Lose him and we will be hugely worse of for it.

The only viable replacement would be someone that played in the premier league last season, that experienced playing against most of the strikers we'll face next season. Which £40m defender are we going to attract that fits that criteria? Even if you can think of one,  you still lose stability, and you lose the presence that Mings brings. 

He has a mistake in him, sure...but so do 99.9% of the defenders in the world.

Supplement the core of Mings, Konsa and Hause with one more experienced head and we're set for next season at centre back. If we lose Engels then another 20-24yr old can be brought in as well.

That January schedule looks outrageous. Can only see Uefa allowing games in UCL mid-weeks for this season.

Can also see a revision to the League Cup in some way as well.  Whether it's one legged semis or limited team entry.  May have to sack off replays in favour of penalty shootouts in every competition too 

Being in the team of the year, alongside the names he is, proves his value is at least 80m. Having got that recognition playing for a team that has looked collectively clueless for a lot of the season, just raises the bar. Can't see him going for less than 80m. Honestly, not sure I can see him going at all... going to be an interesting few weeks

You only have to look at how few goals our other strikers scored between them to know that Wesley had potential. He is our best striker (post injury verdict pending)

7 minutes ago, KenjiOgiwara said:

Spot on. Comparing him to Luiz getting in form is absurd. Luiz always showed fundamental abilities for his position. Wesley didn't. 

Thinking about this, its a very obvious choice to switch director. We're in a totally different position to when Suso was appointed, the challenge now is different. The groundwork is laid, and we need someone to push on. Can see this being an exciting post/pre season. Hopefully it is!

Fingers crossed this injury has no lasting psychological or physiological impacts.  That's my biggest concern,  as if he can overcome them he's got the potential to be very good. Given those concerns, however,  we need a new first choice striker otherwise we are gambling massively

1 hour ago, sne said:

But we've only known for a day or so which division we'd be playing in. I imagine this effects the caliber of person we'd be able to bring in.

But if they didn't learn anything from last season about preparing two plans what effing hope do we have.  They knew his contract was ending. They probably knew they weren't going to renew it. Its a simple task to look at two eventualities and come up with two lists of what they want depending on the league we're in.  Absolutely not saying they haven't done this,  I doubt they'd be where they are in business if they didn't know about planning ahead, but I really don't think this matters.

I expect to see a like for like replacement soon, or a change in direction if that's what their plan is.

2 hours ago, blunther said:

The drinks break will be here to stay, and I would put a lot of money on it being used as an advertisement break midway through each half within a couple of years. 

That is part of my fears,  if it hangs around that is definitely what will happen.  An expensive ad break slot for whoever wants to give sky even more money... sigh

10 minutes ago, fightoffyour said:

I think the increased bench, subs and water breaks will be here to stay even after this season now, unfortunately.

The only one I don't mind is the bigger bench, which brings the rule in line with international tournaments and some (most/all?) other European leagues. it allows more options depending on how the game is going and doesn't limit your sub options because the bench is filled with RBs just in case there's a flurry of defensive injuries mid-game.

Ah,  do I not miss those days. 

A bigger bench is definitely the lesser of the evils for me, but even then it takes out an element of skill from picking the subs a manager is likely to need in a game. On the other hand it stops a club getting directly penalised for bad luck...such as an injury to a player for which they have no direct replacement on the bench because they only have 9 there.  Still another slight favour for the existing top 6 though, but not as outrageous as the 5 subs rule. 

Drinks breaks really kill the flow of the game. Are they really necessary? Can't players take drinks off the sidelines at any point during the game if the ball has gone out and they're dying of thirst after running around for 20 minutes? Genuine question  i'm sure I've seen players do that in matches before taking a thow-in, and definitely following a physio assessment for a non injury?

Is it confirmed that the 5 subs rule will still be in place next year? The PL is allowed to take up the option,  but I didn't think they'd confirmed that they would.

Madness that the IFAB allowed it to roll on, given part of the reasoning behind allowing it this year must have been due to the urgent restart with no preseason, and an expectation that playing into summer season may result in higher temperatures. The rule needs binning, as do the water breaks.

On topic, I dont see them increasing the squad size to cater for it, but even if they did, 7 quality signings (as per my last breakdown post) to is probably still more than we can afford, so doubt it would help us.

2 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

He's in whoscoreds team of the season in a midfield 4 with KDB, salah and mane 

£100m+

42 minutes ago, Zatman said:

Drinkwater, Daniel Noel
Eissa, Ahmed Elmohamady Abdelfattah Aly
El Ghazi, Anwar
Engels, Bjorn Lionel G.
Gonzalez, Tomas, Borja
Grealish, Jack
Guilbert, Frederic
Hassan, Mahmoud Ahmed Ibrahim
Hause, Kortney Paul Duncan
Hourihane, Conor
Konsa, Ezri Ngoyo
Lansbury, Henri George
McGinn, John
Mings, Tyrone Deon
Nakamba, Marvelous
Nyland, Orjan Haskjold
Peleteiro Ramallo, Jose Ignacio
Reina Paez, Jose Manuel
Samatta, Mbwana Ally
Steer, Jed John
Targett, Matthew Robert
Taylor, Neil John

LOSE

Drinkwater

Borja

Lansbury

Jota

Reina

Taylor

ADD

Wesley

Heaton

(Douglas Luiz and Davis stay in but unregistered)

Leaves space for 7 signings, all of which need to be quality.

Plus replacing whoever we lose outside the above like for like (as best possible)

2 hours ago, Sulberto21 said:

We were told.

Scarily accurate summary. Especially about highlighting his best position when he hasn't historically played that role.

For us it could also just be an extension of the classic Sunday league trait of playing your best player in CM (adjusted to DCM as we have less possesion than the opposition).  He's so calm on the ball that anywhere else is wasting what he can offer to us. As we get better im sure he'd be fine further up the pitch, but we haven't reliably kept the ball from the CDM position for years (if not decades) and with Grealish only effective in the offensive role he naturally takes that position.

Rated him since day 1, would be a travesty to lose him. If we lose him and Grealish I will be fearing for our survival next season. Partly because it will be indicative of the fact we couldnt persuade them to stay, which would mean we cant hope to persuade players of better or equivalent quality to replace them. And also partly because even if we did, we're into another season of major overhaul to our squad. Fingers crossed we keep both of them!

23 minutes ago, Pez1974 said:

Assuming the likes of Reina; Baston, Chester; Drinkwater are already gone.
And we don't want a huge overhaul - get rid of the dead wood, and ensure we have a squad to cope with injuries and the expanded squad and subs rule.

 

GKs - with Heaton and Steer, we can afford to lose Kalinic. With Sarkic gone we may need to keep hold of Nyland unless we really want to spend money on another GK. 

RBs - Guilbert, Elmo stay - don't see us bringing in anyone else, so we can't get rid
LBs - Targett, Taylor stay - same reasoning as RBs
CBs - Mings and Konsa definite stays. Bree can definitely go. Engels should probably stay unless the falling out is too much; Hause I'm on the fence about, but he should be 5th choice, so we need to strengthen. 

MFs - Gealish, McGinn, Luiz, Hourihane all stay. Lansbury and Jota  should go. Nakamba is probably OK to stay for numbers and DCM cover and to see if there's improvement - but we need to strengthen here.

Wing - Trez and El Ghazi I'm on the fence about - perhaps 1 goes so we can keep costs under control. We definitely need to strengthen here, and need to go big!

CF - Wesley, Davis and Vassilev stay, with the latter 2 needing games time on loan; Hogan goes. Samatta might be useful as an impact sub - but he only seems to be able to head the ball, so I wouldn't mind if he went or he had 1 more season. Again, a key position for investment. 

I am assuming that the likes of Jacob Ramsey, Louie Barry and co will contribute to the squad if not on loan (and we need to be getting these guys game time), but won't suddenly become first team regulars. But it would be nice!

That's only 2 players who have been around the squad all season going, plus 3 others who have been out on loan. We might just scrape £6-8m of funds coming in, and need 4 or 5 major signings - probably costing £100m+ between them.
We can't start replacing Taylor (for example) and eat into that budget for a back-up full back. The likes of Taylor, Elmo and Nakamba should be next summer if they don't step up further (assuming next season goes well!)

 

Largely my thoughts, especially on the "outs" side.

Clear to everyone that Wingers and Strikers are our weakest positions. Seem to be some very different viewpoints on how to resolve them though. I'd keep AEG and Trez, buying one hugely expensive winger,  and another in the slightly better than trez/aeg mould that should be good enough but isn't extorionately expensive.

Reason for that is we need to spunk a load on a new striker, and I don't know enough about the market to think who this could be, but it needs to be someone proven and, hence, no doubt expensive.

I'd be spending 40m+ on both those key positions, and dont see it leaving much money for the other roles.

Maybe 20m on the other winger, 20m on a midfielder,  and whatever we get in income/can afford on another CB.

I can see a net spend of £120m being possible given the state of ffp  and the money to be made by our owners in staying in the PL. Assumes that their respective businesses haven't been killed by Covid I guess though. 

Cannot see a world where Jack leaves for less than 60m. I expect it to be higher if he does go.

There's just no sense in us accepting any lower. We sure as hell can't replace him for 50m. And there is zero need for us to sell with him having a 3 year contract.  If he wants to go now, having kept us up,  it will be on our terms. The owners aren't stupid enough to sell him for less than 60m. Whether its any more than that depends on whether there are multiple teams after him and most importantly whether Jack submits a request. If he doesn't , he's due a HUGE payout, that will increase the cost to a buying team substantially.

If you don't think he's worth that much,  it just means you think he's staying with us.

34 minutes ago, thunderball said:

Anyone seen this? This is the Premier League without VAR, i.e. if changed decisions had not be retrospectively implemented. Not sure where it would be if those incorrect decisions upheld (such as Fernandes penalty) had not been incorrectly applied?

 

Premier League table without VAR

1st - Liverpool - 94 points - Five points fewer

2nd - Manchester City - 87 points - Six points more

3rd - Chelsea - 67 points - One point more

4th - Man Utd - 66 points - No difference

5th - Wolves - 66 points - Seven points more

6th - Leicester - 62 points - No difference

7th - Sheffield United - 58 points - Four points more

8th - Arsenal - 56 points - No difference

9th - Burnley - 54 points - No difference

10th - Tottenham - 52 points - Seven points fewer

11th - Everton - 50 points - One point more

12th - Southampton - 49 points - Three points fewer

13th - West Ham - 45 points - Six points more

14th - Newcastle - 44 points - No difference

15th - Crystal Palace - 41 points - Two points fewer

16th - Aston Villa - 37 points - Two points more

17th - Brighton - 36 points - Five points fewer

18th - Watford - 34 points - No difference

19th - Bournemouth - 33 points - One point fewer

20th - Norwich - 23 points - Two points more

at least it didn't change who got relegated... but definitely would be interesting to see how the incorrect VAR decisions would have impacted things. Sadly, I dont recall a lot of the obvious errors we had getting much attention, apart from the Man Utd one,  so not sure how that could be compiled.

18 hours ago, Sulberto21 said:

Seems to me our fans have not really learned anything about last season. Changing the squad again will be a disaster. We keep most of the squad except Lansbury and kalinic and sign 5/6 new first teamers. Then guys like Samatta, Trez etc become squad players that are useful.

Read the first 6 posts of this topic and thought the exact same thing.... thinking,  surely I'm not the only one? Glad to see a shared voice of reason that had received several likes by the time I got to it.

Getting rid of trez and el ghazi? Great idea, so we'll need to buy 3, probably 4,  wingers instead of 2.

Getting rid of hourihane, lansbury and nakamba? OK,  so we need 3 to replace them and another creative ACM to give backup to Grealish  (add another one if he goes). That's at least another 4 signings. 

Guilbert, Taylor... seriously? Keep them as the backup for the new signings we NEED to make.

People are ignoring history if they think another season of mass overhaul is the way to go.

We just survived this season, but with a team that performed better in the last part of the season, showing significant signs of improvement.  The way to avoid another season of near relegation is to build on it. The core team is not fundamentally flawed, but lacking experience (which everyone in the team will have more of next year) and lacking some quality.  The quality needs supplementing, not scrapping and starting from scratch.

Get in! Ecstatic, relieved, and drunk. Good times.

12 minutes ago, Genie said:

That lyric finally makes sense.  

F u ..... this is killing me

My heart would not cope if it was like this with 10 minutes to go.

Praying for an Everton goal.

As it stands we're going to have teams arguing that we only stayed  because of the sheff utd hawkeye error  -_-, despite the fact a VAR has shafted more goals against us than for this season.

Man city won't be signing him if we stay up. He still can't get a work permit for them, so the only way they sign him is to loan him straight back out somewhere else. There's no benefit in them doing that when the clause will still be valid at the end of next season if we're in the PL. There are only risks in that situation

If we get relegated they might buy him back with a view to loaning him to a team in a better league, but even then they run the risk that no team in such a league is willing to take him on loan so no guarantees there either. 

Anyone got an attachment size limit higher than 0.3mb? Got a great gif that would be great to share. Sadly the site will only let me load it at this level of quality.

3 minutes ago, MaVilla said:

how did we play?, did we play counter or more possession stuff?

I watched the whole match and not sure i could tell you

Grealish is a walking cliché jukebox. Played really well today though,  massive improvement from the last few games, as he effectively admitted to in his post match interview. 

Toss up between Trez, Konsa and Guilbert for man of the match for me. Trez edged it thanks to a few of his time wasting efforts in the dying minutes.

Aged me a good few years that game, but I've missed this feeling so much