Cjay

3 hours ago, sparrow1988 said:

Not on the same level but look at what Sarri said about Hazard yesterday after the game.... He spends too much time dicking about too far back the pitch as opposed to hitting teams where it hurts.

Is that Bruces fault, Jacks fault or a combination? 

16 minutes ago, mikeyp102 said:

It not necessarily about goals or assists though. Last season especially he was drawing in 3 men, laying the ball off to adomah/Snodgrass running behind the defence who then had acres of space to pick out someone for a tap in. Yes we want more final ball from him, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t having impact on games. He’s not at his best this season admittedly but I’m still certain he’ll have a higher ceiling than Maddison and play for England for a long time 

Very true.

Sounds much like Samu Saiz actually.

Goals and assist wise he and Grealish are on par, 1 each. 

But you could say about Saiz what you said about Grealish so i fully understand. He may not be putting it in the net or on someones foot to tap in but he is making a difference somehow. 

But i suppose the difference so far is we sit top, so the fans can accept the lack of end product from Samu. 

If we were you id be very frustrated with him.

Imo a number 10 should be making the difference, they should be the player who is doing the important things when the teams struggling.

I think perhaps that is where Grealish is letting you down. 

Special players do special things when the chips are down. 

Cant judge his potential so i leave that to you.

2 hours ago, mikeyp102 said:

Because he’s actually following the managers orders and working hard at Cm. His best work yesterday was in the fullback position winning the ball, beating a man and laying it off. He should be given the freedom to play higher up where he will beat people in a dangerous position.

Plus he gets kicked to kingdom come with little to no protection.

 You can be a good team player and do your defensive duties but still have an impact going forward though.

I take the point about Bruce maybe expecting to much defensively. 

But the lad has 9 career league goals and 10 assists at 23.

Thats less then some players get in 1 season.

Bruce or no Bruce doesnt that suggest he has a problem with making the difference when it matters?

2 hours ago, LakotaDakota said:

Because he is massively overrated & not actually that good is the simple answer.

I mean i wouldn't like to say that myself because i dont want to argue.

But yes, i agree to an extent, i thought some of the stuff written about him was silly.

Talented, sure.

But better then Dele Ali or James Maddison even, no not for me.

4 hours ago, AvfcRigo82 said:

It's a combination of various factors imo.

I suppose the lad could if he was not kicked hell out of each game spending the majority of it on the floor and well, how we are setup and motivated also plays a part too I guess.

He does get kicked a lot, saw that the other night.

But, he isnt alone.

If he really is to good for the league as some think then he should still make an impact surely?

Different league of course but Messi gets kicked from pillar to post, his class still shines through.

I have a question.

Not a wind up just a question to those who blame Steve Bruce for Grealish under performing, saying its because of Bruces style, or his teammates or whatever.

Pablo Hernandez at 32 was directly responsible for 38% of the points Paul Heckingbottom achieved.

Either scoring or assisting, and we were worse then you are now, we were hopeless. 

So, my question is.

If an ageing past his prime Pablo Hernandez can drag a terrible Leeds side (without your strong squad) and with an even worse manager then Bruce, if Pablo can directly earn us points in spite of the circumstances, why cant Grealish? 

Watched him with interest today.

Remembering the stuff in the summer and the price tags being thrown about, some saying he is better then Dele Ali and worth more then James Maddison. 

Imo he is talented yes, but he is 23 now, no longer a teenager. Over 100 career games, Premier league experience.

If he is as good as some think then he should be really dominating games at this level, he should be taking games by the balls and making stuff happen. 

He doesnt seem to do that, certainly didnt today. 

The best players at this level raise those around them or make the difference themselves.

Can blame Bruce, his teammates etc.

Grealish has a great work ethic, but his impact on games isnt good enough for the hype.

(Football fans opinion, not a Leeds fan).

16 hours ago, VillaChris said:

Might be a good chance for Tyler Roberts to stake a claim now.

Saw him quite a bit for Walsall last season, easily too good for league 1.

I believe he has also had loads of injuries since he signed for Leeds in January.

Interesting.

How would you describe him style wise? Main attributes etc? 

He has had injury problems, started both cup games and was very poor.

If he was an academy kid he looked the sort you'd say "yeah definitely not ready". 

45 minutes ago, Zatman said:

drew the last game

Take a draw from the next one now.

Forshaw, Roofe, Hernandez, Berardiand Bamford unavailable. 

Forget the game, 0-0 draw, lets agree now, come on Millwall, you know it makes sense you plonkers (native tongue innit) 

3 hours ago, VillaChris said:

Hernandez, that is a big blow. He's been superb in the number 10 role for Leeds so far. Just need Klich and Roofe to pick up knocks and they might actually draw a game.

Knew some asshole had voodoo dolls of the Leeds team somewhere 

Roofe is injured, wont play vs Millwall 

Losing Bamford is a huge blow.

Our squad isnt blessed with depth.

But we have the form u23 side in our group for the entire year.

Since January we are top.

Lot of talent in the youth teams, the club wanted to create continuity through the age groups style wise.

Carlos Corberan the u23 boss has been working with Bielsa and the U23s this season.

So tge u23s know the style, they know one of the coaches, he knows them.

I'm quite excited, reminds me of my childhood under O'Leary, get the youngsters in. 

34 minutes ago, tomav84 said:

joking aside (and shamelessly off topic) i do wonder what being a celtic fan is like and imagine that it surely must get a wee bit boring winning the league every year with such ease

Agreed.

At least its a bit exciting and different for our clubs.

Celtic fans must get a bit bored.

Same reason I'm not to fussed about The Prem.

Aside from a few clubs all you have to hope for is midtable.

17 hours ago, ciggiesnbeer said:

Not half as dull as losing them every week. As I think both our clubs have had seasons with how that feels

True.

But i do look forward to the annual trip to YouTube to decide if our new signing is any good.

1 hour ago, DaveAV1 said:

Ah the wonderful uncertainty of life. Particularly football life. 

Sometimes i shed a tear for those fans who dont know the excitement that comes from the uncertainty.

Imagine how dull it must be to be a Manchester City fan

Winning football matches most weeks.

Blah

4 hours ago, DaveAV1 said:

Yes but now he needs to go the extra mile and start a campaign on Leeds sites to get rid of their manager, so we can have him. 

Go on Cjay you know it makes sense.......

We play Millwall Saturday, same weekend as last season, we know what happened after that.

Give it till Sunday mate.

Just saying.

5 hours ago, JAMAICAN-VILLAN said:

You've got to be my favourite visiting supporter of recent times.

No slight to @striker either haha.

Shucks thanks, i dont know how to respond to that modestly . . . . 

Sod it, yeah you're right i am pretty awesome

49 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said:

Sorry to cause you all this bother and I am suprised no one has told you what style we play. How rude we are.  

It is known as "Bruceball" is what it's called.

- Basically it's Shit, Trugid and Boring football with no identity.

He's won 4 promotions though.

Hasnt he told you?

1 hour ago, Morley_crosses_to_Withe said:

Huh? You’ve used Cardiff as an example of our lack of style when they’re probably the closest you’ll get to how we’ll play. They used Zahoure, Mendez Laing, & Hoilett and got at teams with fast transitioning from defence to attack using the pace and skill of the wide players/strikers to get at the opposition defence.

We’ll attempt to do the same by moving the ball quickly to Abraham/Kodjia, Bolasie, and El Ghazi. We’ll also have Grealish and McGinn who can play a bit. Grealish will be used to draw players out of position by using his skill to create pockets of space and to win free kicks in dangerous areas.

McGinn is probably like Joe Ralls. A box to box type of player who’s also good at delivering set pieces (which is something Cardiff used to good effect as will we).

 

And you’ve made a note about ball playing centre halves? Well Cardiff hardly had them in Bamba and Manga. You wouldn’t say those two are known for their passing qualities.

The big difference between us this season and Cardiff last season is that they probably press more than we do (we tend to sit off too often) and we won’t be as solid in defence. That’s a HUGE failing of our manager; he should be ashamed that he, a former title winning central defender, now has an under strengthened and dilapidated defence. This will ultimately cost him his job.

Whether we click like Cardiff did is one thing, but to criticise our lack of style whilst using Cardiff as an example of a particular style is totally bizarre. 

When i asked what style you used nobody could say.

A season ticket holder said he didnt know.

My point is after 2 years with the amount of money Bruce has had it should be obvious what style you use, and your squad should be built to suit it. 

Like Pulis at Boro (in less time) like Warnock at Cardiff, who got the job at Cardiff about the same time as when Bruce got your job. 

If as you say your style is meant to be like Cardiff, fair enough, i assumed you would try and be more pretty football wise, given the money you have spent, that was why i mentioned the ball playing cbs.

If Bruce aspires to be like Cardiff and Neil Warnock style wise then fair enough, its not pretty, but it shouldn't be difficult for the clubs fans to describe. Im still shocked that nobody was really able to describe a playing style when i asked, your the first, and when ive watched you cant say that ive ever thought "yes, i can see what the game plan is here", definitely never made the connection between Cardiff last season and you last season or so far this,. 

If, as you say, and it sounds logical, if you do play similarly to Cardiff then surely Bruce should be sacked for failing where Warnock succeed under much harder circumstances? 

I think if you are striving to be Cardiff then Bruce has done an even more shit job then i first thought, i can understand taking time to play good football, but to play Warnock style, with your budget, and fail, thats even worse. 

Hows he done?

Curious,  since we were linked with him (we have Jack Clarke so not fussed)

Goal and assist sounds good but can be poo and still get a goal and an assist.

22 hours ago, Keyblade said:

It's only 6 games, calm down  

Like you say, this team minus 1 or 2 additions is the same one that finished 13th last year. I very much doubt you would have taken many of your players over ours back then. It just goes to show how much a competent manager can transform a team. 

If I were to make a Leeds/Villa XI of the players who started at the weekend and try to keep it as impartial as I possibly can, it would be a 50/50 split, and that's without Bolasie and Abraham in the side yet. and a decimated defence. 

Noo I'm normally quite negative, I'm trying to change.

At the end of last season you'r right, there are plenty i would have sold.

Cooper, Berardi, Phillips the main 3 and wouldn't have been against Saiz going for the right price either.

I'm still unchanged on the first 3, 6 games hasnt changed my mind.

If i was to make a leeds villa 11 then as ot is if everyone is fit.

4-2-3-1

Gk-Bailey Peacock Farrell.

Rb-Luke Ayling

Lb-Barry douglas

Cbs- Pontus Jansson and James Chester

Cms- McGinn and klich

Rw- Pablo herbandez

Lw- El Ghazi

Am- Samu Saiz

Striker- Tammy Abraham.

Very difficult, picked El Ghazi because he as a goal and an assist already and he has some height, clearly has quality.

Chester i thought always looked your best cb.

Tammy has everything you want in a striker.

And from reading McGinn is class.

Close between a few, Grealish and Saiz, Bolasie if he is Palace Bolasie and Pablo, Roofe has been on fire, Bamford and Kodjia have quality, but prefer Abraham if he is BCFC one.

Havent seen enough of your gks and full backs to judge.

7 minutes ago, Hoof hearted said:

The fact you can name 5 or 6 Villa players I'll take as a compliment, I can't name you one Leeds player, let alone one I'd rather have at Villa. Tony Yeboah maybe? 

Prefer JFH myself.

1 minute ago, TRO said:

You could well be right....its all opinions.

3 x 4-0 wins on the bounce, we will be ordering a statue.

True, and if we lose 2 or 3 it will be a crisis.

Very dramatic us football fans.

Personally when Bruce was mentioned for us in the summer i was horrified so can understand those on here wanting him gone.

21 minutes ago, villabromsgrove said:

I think he'd traumatise our older less mobile players!

Joking aside, Rodgers, Smith, Wilder, Bielsa etc would take this squad and shake it by the scruff of the neck!

We have good attacking potential and each of the managers mentioned would get far more end product out of players that Bruce cannot get a tune out of.

Agreed.

Defensively i can see why you may struggle.

Attack wise i cant, thats Bruces fault if its his defensive style causing that.