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10 hours ago, HanoiVillan said:

FACT CHECK: Nottingham Forest literally did exactly that. 

Are we run at the same level Forrest are? 
no

3 hours ago, Czarnikjak said:

I see many people making the same argument.

"We cannot be in ffp red zone this season, otherwise we wouldn't buy any players in January"

I don't agree with that, and looking at the numbers involved explains why.

Total sum of wages and amortisation for  all players we bought this January is about £10m per year. Divide it by 2, as they are only on our books for half of this season, and they only adding £5m to this seasons ffp calculation.

If let's say our ffp hole this season was £30m, and the plan is to sell player X in June for £40m, adding extra £5m in January (while buying player X's replacement) doesn't make significant difference to our situation.

So your point is seriously they were so far over the limit already that they thought I'll spend some more now as it won't matter in June as I have to sell (insert player name) by then or break the rules anyway.........

Not a chance.

1 hour ago, thabucks said:

Hilarious all the clickbait sites one day say we’re unable to sign players due to whatever 3 letter abbreviation we’re now using. Then the following day links us with £30/40/50mill player player abc

There is some right toss on here.

We know what the situation was 1 year ago from the accounts and we can make good guesses from there.

We categorically would not have signed players in January if we had an issue with this seasons compliance.

As for wanting bigger FFP limits, I could go on and on about why a club may want that, it's totally irrelevant though to a club who expects or thinks they may be able to qualify for european competition as their rules are harsher and those clubs have to comply with them.

i see tonight differently.

Personally I think it was the simple mistake of not playing Iroegbunam from the start and there wasn't enough one touch football.

It's a nob being 2 goals down for the second game as they will play 10 behind the ball but it certainly isn't done if we have a few players back.

It's been a good night anyway, one win and Emery has secured CL football for us next season which will be 2 seasons on the bounce that he has exceeded expectations. 

1 win and it is locked off now

11 hours ago, Mazrim said:

Road man is modern parlance for chav I believe.

For a visual representation of a road man, it includes those bellends who wear their hoods up and a face covering even though it’s 20c outside 

4 minutes ago, Villan_of_oz said:

The Togolese Zidane, 4 appearances in 4 seasons

Well they did warn you he was the Togolese version 

2 hours ago, allani said:

I think it will work even better when we sell him again this summer (let's say to Leicester) on a similar deal.  We get to monitize another £15m this summer.  So basically we'd have made over £30m in 2 years at a cost of £3.25m over the next 4 years.  Sounds like a genius plan to me.  Unless of course the amortisation is forfeit when a player is sold?  But even then we'd have made additional profit than on a straight sell.

Your example would look like this 18m in pure profit. Forced to buy back for 12m on a 4 year deal so amortised for 3m a year IF he stays.

so 18 profit for this seasons books 

3m loss for the next 4 seasons books 

However if he goes for 15m to Leicester all 12m goes at once so 18m profit this season and 3 million profit next season 

1 hour ago, HalfTimePost said:

We could use the money we get from selling Dougie to buy a replacement for him. The new guy could be anything! He could even be as good as Luiz!

Indeed or worse or better, all the bases covered there 

42 minutes ago, HalfTimePost said:

Selling Luiz is a massive No from me. He's not in his best form at this very minute but the guy is incredible and is so important to us. I can't believe I'm seeing us discuss selling him like it might be OK?

it provides a massive profit that allows us to spend several hundred million.

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't sell him but that is a good reason to accept a very high offer for him.

1 hour ago, Czarnikjak said:

As long as we keep Martinez, Konsa, Mcginn and Watkins I will be happy. Everybody else is expandable if good offer comes in.

Martinez Pau and Kamara are my three.

There is a whole bunch it makes no sense to sell for a multitude of reasons.

As a side note with Pau in the team we win 75% of games without 25%

11 minutes ago, Jas10 said:

Nicely put.

Wouldn’t sell either but… if a choice had to be made, I would rather sell Rogers than Ramsey.

Find it crazy how so many are willing and even eager to move JJ on (also when his value is as low as it could be(!!), will skyrocket once he’s fit and firing again, many have forgotten how good he was and is, the injury is no fault of his own) and so hyped up about Rogers so quickly and to the extent that they believe he is a replacement or even better!

Madness. We are becoming quite fickle indeed.

Let’s not even go into the Dougie nonsense again

Only sell low when you are forced to..... fans seldom think its a good idea to sell a player when they are at the top of their valuation.

6 hours ago, Adam2003 said:

I think he’ll end up there as well. I see this as his “young Thierry Henry out on the wing learning” phase

lol we can only hope

10 hours ago, Mazrim said:

Why would we want to spend less? We could outmuscle all but 2 clubs maybe in the league if the shackles were off?
Then again, the proposed cap would allow us to spend a shitload anyway so why vote against it? I'm scratching my head a bit tbh.

The lowest clubs revenue x 4 is going to be half a billion, we generate about half of that.

why do fans think owners want to put that into their clubs each year? Why not x 3 making it half the loss for us? Whatever the limit is will be the target for spending or get left behind.

this is all pointless anyway, any club who plays European football or aspires to needs to comply with their FFP/PSR

this sort of thing only sorts the issue for bottom 6/8 clubs 

18 minutes ago, Mazrim said:

Not sure if this the right place for this but apparently we are one of 3 clubs voting against a proposed spending cap. The others being Man Utd and Man City.
The spending cap is based on 5x TV revenue of the bottom club, which if you take last years would be circa £500m.

So, any thoughts on why we would want to vote against that? Would our owners want to spend more?

I would have thought we want to spend LESS.

If that is true then that would pass as you need 14 for anything to pass and they way you worded it that has 17

1 hour ago, Pongo Waring said:

Cash is a much better player than AWB. I'm sure 75% of Man United fans would take Cash over AWB,

They can buy cash for 10m plus AWB then

4 hours ago, Jareth said:

Haha

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce96wzkgzpgo

I'd still take AWB

could be all over if we beat brighton and spurs don't win mid week, they would be 9/10 points behind when their weekend kick off happens

38 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

I don't really see why it would be an unpopular suggestion. The guy is the single best player in the entire league at turning the ball over in the final third, so if that's a skillset we're looking for (I'm not sure it is) then he would be an excellent signing. He also has a shot on him, and works incredibly hard. 

I'm not saying we *should* sign him - have no idea really - but if we were to sign him, it wouldn't be crazy, he's a very good player. 

He is a good player, I don't think he is all that and he is definitely a player for the midfielder who plays furthest forward, also I doubt we would want to pay a wage he would want.

To be honest I'm really not interested in PL players generally as they are already highly paid and have a premium attached for the ones we want to sign, foreign and championship are the markets IMO

47 minutes ago, thabucks said:

We could’ve done with some Spanish keep ball yesterday in midfield. I wonder if Koke could be tempted away from Atletico - class player and vastly experienced going into hopefully our maiden champions league campaign* Contract expiring this summer but with a years option. 

Would love us to go for Javi Guerra from Valencia but may be out of reach considering the other names linked with him. 

Or go Dutch with Mats Wieffer. We need that calm technical ability in the centre of the pitch. 

(*appreciate we have been Euro champions I mean in its new format as it’s a vastly different tournament since we were crowned kings of Europe) 
 

 

https://fbref.com/en/players/f81ef10d/Maxence-Caqueret#all_scout_summary

Maxence Caqueret too

still think he is a striker.

1 minute ago, VillaJay said:

It's out of our hands to a degree, but we can only play our own games and it's up to them now to try and catch and beat a 7 point lead with a very tough schedule including the top 3 and a team that played us off the park tonight away from home.

I'm not a betting man, but I'd still rather have our points on the board, even if it's not in our hands.

Indeed 

7 points  ahead with them having three in hand, it’s very unlikely they get that from their next 3

Let’s not shit the bed, had Martinez been on the field I fancy we still would have won.

what we needed before the game is still the same now.